welshmagpie Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15236873.Rugby__39_s_13_man_code_set_to_introduce_Six_Nations_contest_while_reviving_its_British_Lions/ Included what would be another England Knights initiative. A welcome plan and idea, I just wish it was full strength England being considered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Awful idea. Will we ever learn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewWoody Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I'd never call it a '6 Nations'. It's a ru thing and it'd drive to embarassing comparison (in terms of audience, crows etc.). I'd simply call it an expanded European Cup and that's all. Not sure Scotland/Italy are able to have their Australia based players in Europe for two postseasons + WC qualifyers. That could happen maybe if they get to the WC quarter finals and so get directly their 2025 World Cup spot... Bad idea involving the Knights, ihmo. If you want Scotland etc. to field their best squad (with heritage too), then have England playing and make it a real 'European' cup. Just saying, just saying. Of course, it wouldn't have to exclude but encourage fixtures/Internationals for homegrown players etc. About the Knights, I'd prefer having them touring (play France sometimes, play some rep team etc., go to Canada/USA/Jamaica...) than playing this competition. Toronto Wolfpack Global Ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 It's a reserve nations competition. The best players would be picked for Great Britain. It would be like having State of Origin at the same time as an Australia game. It would mean pretty much nothing. This was a failed concept last time. Why bring it back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 55 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: It's a reserve nations competition. The best players would be picked for Great Britain. It would be like having State of Origin at the same time as an Australia game. It would mean pretty much nothing. This was a failed concept last time. Why bring it back? Why get rid of the England Knights in the first instance? Any international competition is good imo. With the Aussie season underway, they might be reluctant to release players for this comp and we could see some genuine countrymen getting a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 39 minutes ago, Lowdesert said: Why get rid of the England Knights in the first instance? Any international competition is good imo. With the Aussie season underway, they might be reluctant to release players for this comp and we could see some genuine countrymen getting a shot. I never said we should get rid of them. I just don't think they should be playing against "first teams" (and I especially don't think the other nations should be being perceived as "first teams" when they are underneath Great Britain). It's incredibly amateur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 2 hours ago, MatthewWoody said: I'd never call it a '6 Nations'. It's a ru thing and it'd drive to embarassing comparison (in terms of audience, crows etc.). I'd simply call it an expanded European Cup and that's all. Not sure Scotland/Italy are able to have their Australia based players in Europe for two postseasons + WC qualifyers. That could happen maybe if they get to the WC quarter finals and so get directly their 2025 World Cup spot... Bad idea involving the Knights, ihmo. If you want Scotland etc. to field their best squad (with heritage too), then have England playing and make it a real 'European' cup. Just saying, just saying. Of course, it wouldn't have to exclude but encourage fixtures/Internationals for homegrown players etc. About the Knights, I'd prefer having them touring (play France sometimes, play some rep team etc., go to Canada/USA/Jamaica...) than playing this competition. France would walk this tournament. Lions are dead... Stupid idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 France need competition at a higher level and the Knights will be a decent obstacle I fancy the Knights to win this anyway - but not by 20 plus every game - and that's the point - it will allow France an opportunity to have a real crack and know it is possible to win it Lions aren't dead - it should be the touring side from GB as the other nations never tour anyway And playing a competition is different to tours - different mindset - allows the other teams time to bond develop and create a tournament mentality I would even open it up to the Serbs and anyone else that might be up to it - round robin one match against each opponent alternate matches home and away table structure no play offs Or 8 teams, 2 tables of 4, top team in each plays off - seeded to try and match ability - gets 2 more team on board - more exposure - so lets add USA and Canada - for instance! Lets mix it up a bit for once - helps with the logistics and planning for the US world cup Or how about actually stick with it - that's how you build a tradition after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewWoody Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Money is always the issue... Toronto Wolfpack Global Ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Kris said: France need competition at a higher level and the Knights will be a decent obstacle I fancy the Knights to win this anyway - but not by 20 plus every game - and that's the point - it will allow France an opportunity to have a real crack and know it is possible to win it Lions aren't dead - it should be the touring side from GB as the other nations never tour anyway And playing a competition is different to tours - different mindset - allows the other teams time to bond develop and create a tournament mentality I would even open it up to the Serbs and anyone else that might be up to it - round robin one match against each opponent alternate matches home and away table structure no play offs Or 8 teams, 2 tables of 4, top team in each plays off - seeded to try and match ability - gets 2 more team on board - more exposure - so lets add USA and Canada - for instance! Lets mix it up a bit for once - helps with the logistics and planning for the US world cup Or how about actually stick with it - that's how you build a tradition after all France were beating a full England at half time...i cant see them not beating a second string England! Lions will be a joke unless they pick 6 players from each country to play in the squad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 The more products for Australia's 24 hour rugby league channel the better. I'd watch it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughyedspud Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 10 hours ago, Kris said: Lions aren't dead - it should be the touring side from GB as the other nations never tour anyway http://www.rugby-league.com/article/39692/england/fixtures England to tour Australia & NZ in 2019..And it's highly likely NZ will tour here in 2018.. OLDHAM RLFC the 8TH most successful team in british RL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Cool Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 What's the point, there's as good as zero RL played in Scotland and Ireland. And Italy's minimal. Heritage comps are pointless and don't drive domestic growth. Focus on France, Wales and Serbia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_57 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Decent idea on it's own that becomes an absolute Shambles if they are looking at running GB at the same time. I'd like to see regional championships the year after every world cup, but kinda messes with the Tours/great Aussie vacation year. England V NZ is fine as long as we see plenty of action at "2nd tier level" including games against NZ/England. I don't mind the England Knights concept but a full International tournament is not the place for them. Send them to France to play France U23s/Toulouse/Catalans/Elite 1 select side/Elite Champions/Proposed Regional Rep teams, with a game against Italy or Spain on the "way out". Or North America or the Pacific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 13 hours ago, Kris said: France need competition at a higher level and the Knights will be a decent obstacle I fancy the Knights to win this anyway - but not by 20 plus every game - and that's the point - it will allow France an opportunity to have a real crack and know it is possible to win it That is exactly why it shouldn't happen. How does a second team regularly beating a first team aid growth? It harms the brand of France Rugby League, international rugby league and the tournament they're playing in without actually adding anything. France were being tested regularly by the rest of the home nations (winning and losing in front of large crowds too). They don't need to play a second string England side. The only sides England Knights should be playing are made-up rep sides or second string international teams; and to be honest, they'd be a lot more interesting to watch and challenging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yakstorm Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I honestly don't get the logic of the RFL / RLEF proposing having an England 'A' / Knights team in such a tournament. From a sponsorship / broadcast perspective, partners are going to be far more likely to get behind a tournament featuring a 'full strength' or at least best of SL national team than anything considering 'developmental' or 'second-string'. Secondly if they believe Italy will bolster their side with Australian players, what makes the RFL so certain that a full strength England would dominate the tournament? Italy did beat them last time the two met and Scotland went very close last year... The opportunity to play and potentially defeat a full strength England side would be very appealing to many of the heritage players Thirdly, England don't play enough games to start handing over matches to other sides. It would do wonders for England RL for the national team to maybe have 8 or so fixtures a year... Now of course if England can't play because they will be playing someone else then (ie. Touring or Test Series), then just play the event without England. PACIFIQUE TREIZE: Join the team by registering as a fan today at pacifique13.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 11 hours ago, roughyedspud said: http://www.rugby-league.com/article/39692/england/fixtures England to tour Australia & NZ in 2019..And it's highly likely NZ will tour here in 2018.. I can't remember where exactly I read it but apparently the Kiwi tour will be a northern hemisphere tour encompassing games against France and probably Wales/Scotland too. I'd personally prefer this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughyedspud Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 good... in 2020 when its our 125th birthday im hoping the aussies come up here for 3 tests v england and 3 mid week tests v wales,scotland & ireland..that would be awesome OLDHAM RLFC the 8TH most successful team in british RL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewWoody Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 On 23/4/2017 at 2:12 AM, yipyee said: Lions will be a joke unless they pick 6 players from each country to play in the squad... It's not that Gatland followed this pattern in ru. Toronto Wolfpack Global Ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewWoody Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 On 23/4/2017 at 9:25 AM, Tre Cool said: What's the point, there's as good as zero RL played in Scotland and Ireland. And Italy's minimal. Heritage comps are pointless and don't drive domestic growth. Focus on France, Wales and Serbia. So England shouldn't be playing Samoa.... Toronto Wolfpack Global Ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryO Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 What about a Canadian team "If Rugby League had never been Invented, today we would only have Rugby League" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewWoody Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 What about costs ? Toronto Wolfpack Global Ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Cool Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 3 hours ago, MatthewWoody said: So England shouldn't be playing Samoa.... What?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewWoody Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Just now, Tre Cool said: What?! It has been said that the likes of Italy, Scotland etc. shouldn't be playing this tournament because they're made of heritage players and yes, Samoa is full of heritage players, too. Toronto Wolfpack Global Ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 3 hours ago, MatthewWoody said: It's not that Gatland followed this pattern in ru. Yes, he left out English players and got criticised as there are 15 out of 41... He got criticised for only having 2 Scots with 2-3 deserving (apparently)? The point is he had hard decisions as he picked from 4 squads who are all playing at the same level... The squad is truly from all corners of the UK and Ireland. Now if he picked 41 players from England imagine the outcry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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