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The difference this time wont be to protect expansion clubs.... it will be to protect heartland clubs! 

Widnes and Leigh have been woeful,

Hudds poor for a second year. 

Wakey ready to fall (off the pitch).

All 3 could soon be replaced by expansion clubs and/or Hull OR!

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Piecing together a few rumours this could end up as 3 leagues of 14 with promotion and relegation. 

That would encompass the Manchester and avignon rumours..

The Wakey to sell SL franchise (That they dont have) rumour.

Toulouse to grasp a SL place any way they can rumour...

SL to 14 clubs rumours...

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12 -14 team Super League all clubs have to meet minimum standards to participate in the competition regarding admin staff ,facilities, junior development & sponsorship. Yearly grant of the full salary cap is made to all Super League clubs. Any Club in financial trouble without a viable plan to get out is declared to have finished last. P & R winner of Championship meeting all set standards replaces last ranked Super league side.

Championship 12 -14 team professional competition & clubs can spend up to the full Super League cap if they can show a sustainable business plan. Any Club Grant comes from TV/web rights, Sponsorship & merchandising divided by number of teams in the competition. Any financial difficulties without a viable plan out of them sees clubs declared as coming last. If relegated UK clubs go back to Champ 1, French clubs go back to Elite 1 & likes of Toronto would need to have a conversation with USARL/CRFL about were to go next. 

Championship 1 would be an exclusively UK semi professional competition. Not a league to be used as a speed bump for aspiring  fully professional clubs from all over the world. Salary Cap of  £500,000 maximum set for clubs at this level. yearly grant comes from TV or web rights, Co operative merchandising deal or competition sponsorship divided by the number of clubs in the competition.

French Elite 1 would be deemed to be the same level as UK Championship 1 and top sides from each competition would playoff for promotion to Championship.

 

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This almost constant speculation about changes to the sport,whether it's league format,venue changes etc is really,really damaging the sport..

We look like a clueless & rudderless organisation that can't get it right so constantly have too "try something new"

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6 hours ago, yipyee said:

The difference this time wont be to protect expansion clubs.... it will be to protect heartland clubs! 

All 3 could soon be replaced by expansion clubs and/or Hull OR!

Correct and would be the final nail in the coffin for the game if it ever came about.

There are not enough players of quality to support a 12 Club Super League let alone diluting the playing pool further..

Surely the attrition toll amongst players calls for a reduction in games and the end of the 8/8/8 system. Straightforward P&R (With the Championship Grand Final replacing the Million Pound Game for SKY), the end of the Magic Weekend substituted for an International weekend and some vision statement for the game over the next 25 years.

PS - As the terrace chant goes "who are Hull OR say who are Hull OR !";)

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An article by Phil Caplan in the current forty 20 mag suggested that licensing will return but with some form of relegation maintained. It didn't elaborate in any detail but there was no "if" of it happening, it seems "done".

From reading bits from Roger Draper, 2018 may be a transitional season with a full new season structure coming into effect for seasons 2019-21. Of course they will change it again by then.

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4 hours ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

12 -14 team Super League all clubs have to meet minimum standards to participate in the competition regarding admin staff ,facilities, junior development & sponsorship. Yearly grant of the full salary cap is made to all Super League clubs. Any Club in financial trouble without a viable plan to get out is declared to have finished last. P & R winner of Championship meeting all set standards replaces last ranked Super league side.

Championship 12 -14 team professional competition & clubs can spend up to the full Super League cap if they can show a sustainable business plan. Any Club Grant comes from TV/web rights, Sponsorship & merchandising divided by number of teams in the competition. Any financial difficulties without a viable plan out of them sees clubs declared as coming last. If relegated UK clubs go back to Champ 1, French clubs go back to Elite 1 & likes of Toronto would need to have a conversation with USARL/CRFL about were to go next. 

Championship 1 would be an exclusively UK semi professional competition. Not a league to be used as a speed bump for aspiring  fully professional clubs from all over the world. Salary Cap of  £500,000 maximum set for clubs at this level. yearly grant comes from TV or web rights, Co operative merchandising deal or competition sponsorship divided by the number of clubs in the competition.

French Elite 1 would be deemed to be the same level as UK Championship 1 and top sides from each competition would playoff for promotion to Championship.

 

I agree with all of that, apart from the salary cap level for C1 which I don't really have a view on. How many are you relegating from the Championship? Still 2? I think that works.

I assume any 'new Torontos' would also enter at Championship level, which I agree with.

I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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Ralph Rimmer was quoted this week as saying that any changes would be minor with 2 leagues of 12 being maintained as that it was they are contracted (TV?) to provide.

I'm a bit concerned that any changes are only being agreed/ announced in June with the league season only being 3 months away. Surely any changes for 2018 should have been agreed before the start of the 2017 season?

A move back towards licensing will only work if the rules are fairly but firmly applied to all in a transparent way.

Saying all that a move away from the current 2x12 then 3x8 structure and a League 1 fixture list which is a mess is required but please can we agree on a sensible structure and then stick at it for at least 5 years?

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I'm not sure SL would be as competitive as it is this season with 14 teams.

I wouldn't like to see franchising return and I don't think Championship teams would. Thr Qualifiers is a huge pay day for them

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1 hour ago, LeeF said:

Ralph Rimmer was quoted this week as saying that any changes would be minor with 2 leagues of 12 being maintained as that it was they are contracted (TV?) to provide.

I'm a bit concerned that any changes are only being agreed/ announced in June with the league season only being 3 months away. Surely any changes for 2018 should have been agreed before the start of the 2017 season?

A move back towards licensing will only work if the rules are fairly but firmly applied to all in a transparent way.

Saying all that a move away from the current 2x12 then 3x8 structure and a League 1 fixture list which is a mess is required but please can we agree on a sensible structure and then stick at it for at least 5 years?

That tells me that any changes will be negligible or manageable by clubs.  

We shouldn't criticise the RFL , too much, for trying new things.  The Clubs will have to agree, democratically, on changes so, theoretically, that balances things out.  

IMO, we need to create space in the fixtures calander to accommodate more Internationals.  It would be interesting to see a separate vote for that from one room full of CEOs and another full of Coaches.

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6 minutes ago, bowes said:

If theyre going for twelves then that likely means four expansion clubs getting the boot from League 1

12s in the top 2 leagues with the remainder plus any new clubs in the third division. The fixture list is already a mess in the bottom league do anything will be an improvement and 16, 17 or 18 is quite workable 

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1 minute ago, LeeF said:

12s in the top 2 leagues with the remainder plus any new clubs in the third division. The fixture list is already a mess in the bottom league do anything will be an improvement and 16, 17 or 18 is quite workable 

They are thinking of dropping the bottom four from League 1 into a new division, but it remains to be seen whether this happens

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10 team SL, with clubs joining as and when they fulfill the criteria. Not enough quality for 14 teams currently.

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39 minutes ago, EastLondonMike said:

10 team SL, with clubs joining as and when they fulfill the criteria. Not enough quality for 14 teams currently.

There has to be 12 in SL according to Ralph Rimmer

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12teams SL

12teams championship

12teams  league one

8-10teams  league two "development" league with room to grow

We can't just keep adding teams to league one,it's already too big!

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51 minutes ago, roughyedspud said:

12teams SL

12teams championship

12teams  league one

8-10teams  league two "development" league with room to grow

We can't just keep adding teams to league one,it's already too big!

What defines development? Oxford, London Skolars Newcastle and Gloucestershire are all level or within 2 points of Workington, Hunsley, Keighley etc

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Still think 10 is the way to go at the moment. Also gives plenty of opportunity for Internationals to be played. Once clubs realise they have to hit certain targets to gain admission to SL 10 will quickly become 12..

Although sadly none of this would happen without SKY's input and agreement.

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43 minutes ago, Scubby said:

What defines development? Oxford, London Skolars Newcastle and Gloucestershire are all level or within 2 points of Workington, Hunsley, Keighley etc

It would work out as Oxford, Hemel, South Wales and Coventry in the development league and Gloucestershire, Newcastle, Skolars and North Wales in League 1 I reckon 

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12 hours ago, Scubby said:

What defines development? Oxford, London Skolars Newcastle and Gloucestershire are all level or within 2 points of Workington, Hunsley, Keighley etc

Development would be defined as a place for the likes of Manchester, Aberdeen etc to start plus the bottom 4 clubs from league one.

There needs to be a league 2 cos we can't keep adding teams to league 1

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14 hours ago, Ackroman said:

This thread has all the hallmarks of a 52 page parkathon

And why not keyboard warrior extraordinaire.

The news of franchising returning has thrown up Philadelphia, Boston, Avignon, Quebec, Montreal and Chicago and even San Fransisco as being possible applicants amongst others.

We need a reality check from time to time, but we don't need your childish baiting. You have your bite 

EDIT - we even have Aberdeen cited now!! 

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