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Another bad point Ray is the proposed profit from the WC being less than half of what we were promised which exacerbates the RLIF's funding issues. Another bad (sorry but I'm not one of life's optimists) is the poor showing by New Zealand and what that means to the domestic game in the Shakey Isles. A plus point for me though was the showing of France who performed better than most of us thought they would despite not actually winning a game.

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Well summed up Ray.Plenty of activity in Europe and the Americas,the future for the game in those places looks good.

The big draw back like you say is the Aussies,  their club games are not that well attended and that's a worry.They appear to be dependent on TV money.They made a half hearted attempt with the recent WC which was dissapointing. 

Better to cut them adrift and leave them to it.

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Just now, frank said:

Better to cut them adrift and leave them to it.

It's not quite that simple though Frank. If we cut Australia adrift then they'll be taking any chances of NZ, Tonga and Samoa being competitive with them. Hard as it appears to be we need to work with them. They are one of only two full time professional comps in the world and also by far the most wealthy. We simply wouldn't be able to generate the kind of money required to fund international development without Australia whether we like it or not.

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They really haven't put much in, in the way  development Pom, in fact they are rope around the neck of it.They could be doing so much.

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20 minutes ago, deluded pom? said:

Another bad point Ray is the proposed profit from the WC being less than half of what we were promised which exacerbates the RLIF's funding issues. Another bad (sorry but I'm not one of life's optimists) is the poor showing by New Zealand and what that means to the domestic game in the Shakey Isles. A plus point for me though was the showing of France who performed better than most of us thought they would despite not actually winning a game.

I asked for thoughts as I obviously didn’t cover all of them. Funding continues to be an issue. NZ stIll has plenty of talent. Using it well is the challenge. Yes France is a real positive. Shame it got put in the group of death, not an idea I favour.

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SH RL is too reliant on Australia. They should work together but the SH needs to have the confidence to push forward with what they believe in, not being dictated to as happens now.  If they do, and financially get stronger, the balance of power can be evened up. 

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9 minutes ago, RayCee said:

SH RL is too reliant on Australia. They should work together but the SH needs to have the confidence to push forward with what they believe in, not being dictated to as happens now.  If they do, and financially get stronger, the balance of power can be evened up. 

It's chicken and egg though Ray. How can the other SH nations push forward if the NRL clubs won't release the star players, the ones who put bums on seats and help generate income? They won't get financially stronger if the games played only consist of domestic players. It would probably lose money. The main problem is that New Zealand, Tonga and Samoa are too reliant on the players running around in the NRL for them to be competitive internationally. Take those players away and it all falls over. As I said to Frank if you cut Australia adrift they'll be taking New Zealand, Tonga and Samoa with them. You can also add Fiji to that list. That leaves us with an international scene that would be a stroll in the park for England, even without NRL players. People wouldn't watch England winning, often by big margins, all the time so the game in the NH then loses money.

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9 minutes ago, deluded pom? said:

It's chicken and egg though Ray. How can the other SH nations push forward if the NRL clubs won't release the star players, the ones who put bums on seats and help generate income? They won't get financially stronger if the games played only consist of domestic players. It would probably lose money. The main problem is that New Zealand, Tonga and Samoa are too reliant on the players running around in the NRL for them to be competitive internationally. Take those players away and it all falls over. As I said to Frank if you cut Australia adrift they'll be taking New Zealand, Tonga and Samoa with them. You can also add Fiji to that list. That leaves us with an international scene that would be a stroll in the park for England, even without NRL players. People wouldn't watch England winning, often by big margins, all the time so the game in the NH then loses money.

I'm not sure what Frank meant by cut them adrift, but it may have been rely less on.

The match in Denver for example. Once the NRL players were effectively denied permission to go, end of. I find that defeatist. What about England minus its NRL players taking on a world invitational side. Was that even considered or was it a case of the white flag raised? The RFL and any other part of the RL world involved could do with the financial carrot offered. The benefit to RL in the NH enormous. Unless the organiser said he wasn’t interested in an alternative, then one should be found. In that sense the NH needs to stand up, not fighting against the SH but not allowing the self centred NRL clubs decide if such games can take place.

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We don't know what the proposal from the American game was though Ray. It may have been England v NZ or nothing. Once the Kiwis were denied their players then it may have been taken off the table.

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So having a bit of read through professional schedules already for next year in particular the world club challenge, down under superleague and international club double header there alot to look forward to.

Superleague highlights 

* magic weekend that features toronto v toulouse

* down under superleague hull v wigan

* super 8s  

Nrl highlights 

* perth double header 

* brisbane double header 

* stand alone origin weekend 

nrl/superleague interleague matches 

* world club challenge leeds v melbourne feb 16 in australia

* international double header anz - brisbane v hull and souths v wigan feb 17th. 

Representative games 

* pacific invitational - cambelltown samoa v tonga, lebanon v png, fiji v tbc - stand alone origin weekend. 

* three test series nz v england in uk. 

* one off test australia v nz october.

* france have confirmed they will play both england and nz end of october.

* nrl origin nsw v qld including melbourne game.

* however no more tests confirmed for tonga and seems promo test in usa been blocked by nrl clubs. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, winnyason said:

So having a bit of read through professional schedules already for next year in particular the world club challenge, down under superleague and international club double header there alot to look forward to.

Superleague highlights 

* magic weekend that features toronto v toulouse

* down under superleague hull v wigan

* super 8s  

Nrl highlights 

* perth double header 

* brisbane double header 

* stand alone origin weekend 

Representative confirmed 

* world club challenge leeds v melbourne feb 16 in australia

* world club series double header anz - brisbane v hull and souths v wigan feb 17th. 

* pacific invitational - cambelltown samoa v tonga, lebanon v png, fiji v tbc - stand alone origin weekend. 

* three test series nz v england in uk. 

* one off test australia v nz october.

* france have confirmed they will play both england and nz end of october.

* nrl origin nsw v qld including melbourne game.

* however no more tests confirmed for tonga and seems promo test in usa been blocked by nrl clubs. 

 

 

The Wigan and Hull games are nothing to do with the WCS. 

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2 hours ago, winnyason said:

 Representative confirmed 

* world club challenge leeds v melbourne feb 16 in australia

* world club series double header anz - brisbane v hull and souths v wigan feb 17th.

 

20 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

The Wigan and Hull games are nothing to do with the WCS. 

And the WCC and/or WCS aren't rep games...

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12 hours ago, winnyason said:

So having a bit of read through professional schedules already for next year in particular the world club challenge, down under superleague and international club double header there alot to look forward to.

Superleague highlights 

* magic weekend that features toronto v toulouse

* down under superleague hull v wigan

* super 8s  

Nrl highlights 

* perth double header 

* brisbane double header 

* stand alone origin weekend 

nrl/superleague interleague matches 

* world club challenge leeds v melbourne feb 16 in australia

* international double header anz - brisbane v hull and souths v wigan feb 17th. 

Representative games 

* pacific invitational - cambelltown samoa v tonga, lebanon v png, fiji v tbc - stand alone origin weekend. 

* three test series nz v england in uk. 

* one off test australia v nz october.

* france have confirmed they will play both england and nz end of october.

* nrl origin nsw v qld including melbourne game.

* however no more tests confirmed for tonga and seems promo test in usa been blocked by nrl clubs. 

 

 

Nice summary.

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28 minutes ago, RayCee said:

Nice summary.

Thanks guessing fiji v nz is confirmed as third game campbelltown with cancellation of denver test. Commonsense would have tonga v nz in nz and have fiji v samoa 

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