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16 hours ago, Dave T said:

Are we learning nothing? 

Melbourne v Leeds kicking off at 9.05am on the Friday.

There are literally two significant markets for this event, Australia and England and they pretty much rule out one of them by this scheduling.

No doubt they will point out that Friday night viewers will bring in more just in Oz than it would on Sky even on the Saturday, but that isnt the point - no terrestrial broadcaster would ever want this event if we treat it like this.

We have seen that the Aussies can get huge figures on a Sat or Sunday, and Sky would have got bigger figures for that.

Why do we keep making it hard to be an RL fan?

Erm...what you whinging at then

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A quick comparison:

RU Lions Tour 2017 (NZ):

Midweek games - 4

Saturday Games - 6

Friday games - 0

RU Lions Tour 2013 (OZ):

Midweek games - 4

Saturday games - 6

Friday games - 0

RUWC 2003 (Oz):

Eng/Ire/Wales/Sco games played on anything other than a Sat/Sun = 1 (a Scotland game on a Monday).

I haven't looked at the NZ tournament, it may be more there due to more teams, but I think the point is clear - if you actually treat your potential markets seriously, you may actually deliver growth in them.

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2 minutes ago, roughyedspud said:

Erm...what you whinging at then

I assume you are playing dumb as some part of a prank?

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33 minutes ago, Dave T said:

A quick comparison:

RU Lions Tour 2017 (NZ):

Midweek games - 4

Saturday Games - 6

Friday games - 0

RU Lions Tour 2013 (OZ):

Midweek games - 4

Saturday games - 6

Friday games - 0

RUWC 2003 (Oz):

Eng/Ire/Wales/Sco games played on anything other than a Sat/Sun = 1 (a Scotland game on a Monday).

I haven't looked at the NZ tournament, it may be more there due to more teams, but I think the point is clear - if you actually treat your potential markets seriously, you may actually deliver growth in them.

Who cares what they do.

They are a different market to ours that perhaps stay home on Saturday nights watching their rubbish on TV.

Most Aussies get out and about on Saturday nights and are not at home watching TV.

Maybe they are scared to take on Friday night football on TV on Friday nights so they take the soft option on Saturday nights to show their game.

What are their TV ratings like? their crowd numbers are dropping significantly.

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Dave T said:

9am is perfect. Nobody said otherwise.

Your opening post on the thread you started suggested otherwise.

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4 minutes ago, Allora said:

Who cares what they do.

They are a different market to ours that perhaps stay home on Saturday nights watching their rubbish on TV.

Most Aussies get out and about on Saturday nights and are not at home watching TV.

Maybe they are scared to take on Friday night football on TV on Friday nights so they take the soft option on Saturday nights to show their game.

What are their TV ratings like? their crowd numbers are dropping significantly.

 

 

Well no, you are missing the point. They played other games on Friday nights, they just catered for the European audiences too, despite playing on that same round globe that apprently stops us catering for both markets.

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Just now, Allora said:

Your opening post on the thread you started suggested otherwise.

No, it doesn't.

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Just now, Dave T said:

Well no, you are missing the point. They played other games on Friday nights, they just catered for the European audiences too, despite playing on that same round globe that apprently stops us catering for both markets.

I bet lots of people were up at 7am to watch those games.

 

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Just now, Dave T said:

No, it doesn't.

You are complaining its a Friday game?

Get over it Dave.

Its better than this concept being thrown in the Bin for ever, that is the next step imo.

 

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This match was put together in such a half-arsed last minute way it was probably take it or leave it. The two competitions need a binding agreement, locking in participants to dates, times and schedules in 3-year blocks for the WCC or WCS (whatever happened to that) to ever gain momentum.

Whether SL and NRL want to continue working hand to mouth on this is up to them. If they do, they are always going to fall short.

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1 minute ago, Allora said:

You are complaining its a Friday game?

Get over it Dave.

 

of course the complaint is it's a Friday game.

Getting confused with all the time zone stuff, assume the pubs are well open in Oz?

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How many English Fans will watch this game live if it was on at a better time besides the Leeds Fans?

Less than 50k?

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3 minutes ago, Allora said:

I bet lots of people were up at 7am to watch those games.

 

Well the top sporting audience that year in the UK was for an RU game being played in Oz. 

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Just now, Allora said:

How many English Fans will watch this game live if it was on at a better time besides the Leeds Fans?

Less than 50k?

BARB will have figures for the WCC between the Roosters and Wigan at the SFS. It was held around 10.30am Saturday time IIRC.

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Just now, Scubby said:

This match was put together in such a half-arsed last minute way it was probably take it or leave it. The two competitions need a binding agreement, locking in participants to dates, times and schedules in 3-year blocks for the WCC or WCS (whatever happened to that) to ever gain momentum.

Whether SL and NRL want to continue working hand to mouth on this is up to them. If they do, they are always going to fall short.

I used to like the WCC games but it has got less and less enjoyable over the years.

It barely hits the Radar in Oz regardless of which team competes or wins. 

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Just now, Dave T said:

Well the top sporting audience that year in the UK was for an RU game being played in Oz. 

That says plenty.

I bet it rated not much in Australia.

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The WWC has been an English promotional vehicle since it started.

Its been the chance to knock off an Australian Clubs scalp and profess that Club to be the best in the World.

The Fans and Clubs in Australia have not bought into this idea at all.

It means far more to the SL Clubs and fans than it does to Aussies, all of the timing, locations and conditions are in the SL Clubs favour.

I wonder why it has never really been embraced in Australia?

Anyway, I hope its a great game and the best team wins on the day.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Scubby said:

BARB will have figures for the WCC between the Roosters and Wigan at the SFS. It was held around 10.30am Saturday time IIRC.

160k at 8.30am, looks like SS2 (or 3 - BARB is messed up since Sky changed their channels).

It was the 2nd highest show on that channel, and the 10th highest viewed show on Sky Sports that week despite the breakfast slot.

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Just now, Allora said:

The WWC has been an English promotional vehicle since it started.

Its been the chance to knock off an Australian Clubs scalp and profess that Club to be the best in the World.

The Fans and Clubs in Australia have not bought into this idea at all.

It means far more to the SL Clubs and fans than it does to Aussies, all of the timing, locations and conditions are in the SL Clubs favour.

I wonder why it has never really been embraced in Australia?

Anyway, I hope its a great game and the best team wins on the day.

I am not disagreeing with you entirely but 32k did show up in Sydney in 2014. That was for a club that has pretty atrocious attendances.

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1 minute ago, Allora said:

The WWC has been an English promotional vehicle since it started.

Its been the chance to knock off an Australian Clubs scalp and profess that Club to be the best in the World.

The Fans and Clubs in Australia have not bought into this idea at all.

It means far more to the SL Clubs and fans than it does to Aussies, all of the timing, locations and conditions are in the SL Clubs favour.

I wonder why it has never really been embraced in Australia?

Anyway, I hope its a great game and the best team wins on the day.

 

 

 

So the solution is to play it in a slot away from a market that is interested in it?

Makes sense I suppose.

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Just now, Scubby said:

I am not disagreeing with you entirely but 32k did show up in Sydney in 2014. That was for a club that has pretty atrocious attendances.

And a Saturday too. Who'd have thought it?

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4 minutes ago, Scubby said:

I am not disagreeing with you entirely but 32k did show up in Sydney in 2014. That was for a club that has pretty atrocious attendances.

Roosters average that year, despite finishing first was c14k. They only exceeded the 31.5k that the game vs Wigan got on one occasion, which was the Rd26 game vs Souths.

I can't find any trace of viewing figures for that one tbh, I assume this game is on Fox over there rather than Nine?

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17 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Roosters average that year, despite finishing first was c14k. They only exceeded the 31.5k that the game vs Wigan got on one occasion, which was the Rd26 game vs Souths.

I can't find any trace of viewing figures for that one tbh, I assume this game is on Fox over there rather than Nine?

It was on Channel 9. Remember it well. No one was interested ;)

 

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1 hour ago, Dave T said:

Roosters average that year, despite finishing first was c14k. They only exceeded the 31.5k that the game vs Wigan got on one occasion, which was the Rd26 game vs Souths.

I can't find any trace of viewing figures for that one tbh, I assume this game is on Fox over there rather than Nine?

The obvious answer to your original question Dave is that of course it should be played in a time that is optimal for both markets. End of thread. Unfortunately, some people will start an argument with a hairbrush and never back down despite have their assumptions and opinions melted by fact after fact.

Unless the stadium wasnt available or some other admin issue, they could have played this saturday night. People watch sports on saturday, even the appallingly apathetic and arrogant Australian sporting public. RU gets this type of thing right all the time, RL more often than not gets it wrong. This will continue ad infinitum.

I did love the revelation that RU was somehow involved in the flat earth society though...

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