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So football can make minute decisions on offside by superimposing lines across the pitch , but we can't tell if a ball has traveled forward after years of having a video ref ? 

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25 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

So football can make minute decisions on offside by superimposing lines across the pitch , but we can't tell if a ball has traveled forward after years of having a video ref ? 

This again really. The simple fact is an offside in football is a simple line decision. Were a forward pass isn’t. 

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6 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

This again really. The simple fact is an offside in football is a simple line decision. Were a forward pass isn’t. 

Perhaps for the integrity of the game it should be 

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56 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Perhaps for the integrity of the game it should be 

It would ruin the game. It would be difficult for somebody running full speed to pass the ball and it go backwards according to a line on the pitch. We would have to see players stop and pass.

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1 hour ago, GUBRATS said:

So football can make minute decisions on offside by superimposing lines across the pitch , but we can't tell if a ball has traveled forward after years of having a video ref ? 

Because football is only assessing where someone is standing at one exact moment of play.

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As has been mentioned here, forward passes are extremely difficult to judge.

However, the lines would be extremely useful for offside from a kick situations.

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Agree Scubby, the distance a pass travels greatly influences the perception of forwardness -take Australias winning try in the WC Final, miles forward but with it being a short ball it never gets picked up. Think we should use this when going to the screen.

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4 hours ago, paulwalker71 said:

What about Stevo's 'Momentum rule' ;) 

 

I think that’s just  in stevo’s head . Can’t recall any official backing that one up ?

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49 minutes ago, DavidM said:

I think that’s just  in stevo’s head . Can’t recall any official backing that one up ?

It is covered in the laws just Stevo could never explain it very well. Basically it says you shouldn’t judge a pass forward in relation to the pitch but in relation to the players involved. 

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22 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Clever bloke , wonder if he did some touch judging on the side to test his theories

He was the touch judge in the 1998 division one grand final ;)

And the rest, as they say, is history. ..

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2 hours ago, bobbruce said:

It is covered in the laws just Stevo could never explain it very well. Basically it says you shouldn’t judge a pass forward in relation to the pitch but in relation to the players involved. 

Its mentioned in the Notes on Forward Passes.

 

 

Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass.

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10 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

So football can make minute decisions on offside by superimposing lines across the pitch , but we can't tell if a ball has traveled forward after years of having a video ref ? 

It does not work in football. It can work in rugby as long as the refs have the bottle to make a decision on field or as a VR.

We don't need to go up to the VR for every try and we don't need the VR to look at 4 different angles 100 times. 

Have VR but both officials need to have the bottle to make a decision but get rid of the VAR in football

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Just accept that, with all the technology available to humanity, slo-mo and full speed replays from every possible angle and shown in eye-bleedingly high definition, two randomly-selected fans (one from each team) will look at identical coverage of the same incident and completely disagree with each other, more often than not.

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1 hour ago, Futtocks said:

Just accept that, with all the technology available to humanity, slo-mo and full speed replays from every possible angle and shown in eye-bleedingly high definition, two randomly-selected fans (one from each team) will look at identical coverage of the same incident and completely disagree with each other, more often than not.

So true. I for one was bricking it that the last play against Tonga was going up to Ben Thaler. Little doubt he would have disagreed with me on that one - even after looking at it 20 times.

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1 hour ago, West Leeds Riviera said:

It does not work in football. It can work in rugby as long as the refs have the bottle to make a decision on field or as a VR.

We don't need to go up to the VR for every try and we don't need the VR to look at 4 different angles 100 times. 

Have VR but both officials need to have the bottle to make a decision but get rid of the VAR in football

What's wrong with it in football?

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7 minutes ago, Scubby said:

So true. I for one was bricking it that the last play against Tonga was going up to Ben Thaler. Little doubt he would have disagreed with me on that one - even after looking at it 20 times.

Let's face it, if a half-back turned away from the opposition and threw a pass back that was laser-calibrated as precisely 90.00000 degrees from the try line he was attacking, and a team-mate ran on to it and scored, you know what the first post on TRL would be, right?

"That was a MILE forward!" :rtfm:

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1 minute ago, Futtocks said:

Let's face it, if a half-back turned away from the opposition and threw a pass back that was laser-calibrated as precisely 90.00000 degrees from the try line he was attacking, and a team-mate ran on to it and scored, you know what the first post on TRL would be, right?

"That was a MILE forward!" :rtfm:

Always enjoyed my visits to Knowsley Road. They could say "forward" in perfect harmony.

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9 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Always enjoyed my visits to Knowsley Road. They could say "forward" in perfect harmony.

In a previous job, the company I worked for represented (among others) a German classical music publisher. When that country hosted the FIFA World Cup, they brought our a choral work called 'Abseits!!!' (Offside!!!). They knew their customer base, alright. A cantata called 'I've got to credit the opposition for a superbly-crafted goal' wouldn't have sold a single damn copy.

https://www.carus-verlag.com/en/choir/choral-music-by-scoring/manfred-laenger-abseits.html

 

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39 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

What's wrong with it in football?

Stopping the game ages after the incident. Goal line technology works because the officials can see that straight away. It it breaks the game up too much. Footballs supposed to be fast flowing 

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