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Proposal put forward to cut SL to 10

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35 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I think the real question is if you were 100% ruthless and went the way of 12 teams and shafted all competitors in your area, would this make SL much stronger?

I genuinely don't know. I could probably formulate an argument both ways, but I couldn't say whether as a game we would be stronger or weaker.

Well the players would get richer but it wouldn’t improve the game. More than half the teams would have nothing to play for with no threat of relegation. Most people on here have been banging on about expanding the game now we’re talking about culling. Where would these players keep fit if their getting no game time with dual reg clubs 😂 

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1 hour ago, DEANO said:

Where would these players keep fit if their getting no game time with dual reg clubs 😂 

Thai Bo is making a comeback...buy the stock now!!

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Another problem here. SL2 would require more central funding as that's were most expansionist,trans Atlantic clubs would reside.

Given a full on licensing criteria will have to be met for SL1. Could we actually get 10 SL clubs that meet that criteria?

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1 hour ago, SL17 said:

Another problem here. SL2 would require more central funding as that's were most expansionist,trans Atlantic clubs would reside.

Given a full on licensing criteria will have to be met for SL1. Could we actually get 10 SL clubs that meet that criteria?

Do we know that?

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I'm not really sure that any of this tinkering addresses the real issue. The game has become stale. A lot of the safety rules have sanatised the game. I'm not saying they should not have happened, but the consequences are not good. We banned the biff as we were told it was putting kids off the game. Numbers still drop. We banned the shoulder charge, but I'm not sure it has seen any decrease in injuries. We banned any sort of contact on high kicks so that most at of six now end with either a penalty or an uncontested turnover. Add all of this to the constant penalties for incorrect play the balls and the penalisation of good kicks with the foot over the line rule, the game has become less and less appealing

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Being an old timer, I understand what you mean. But is the lack of appeal supported by the facts? I.e attendsnces and viewer numbers.

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Lets all just pray the sport takes off in North America and the majority of us get lots of (free to air) rugbyleague to watch

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1 hour ago, Bob8 said:

Do we know that?

Considering there is only club one in existance Bob I would say your retort is acceptable, but what would be the management of these leagues be going forward. A closed shop of two divisions would not pacify the "expansion at all costs" band of merry men, so if those below the professional level are to gain access to the elusive club could/would it be by invitation and increase the member numbers, and maybe reducing the funding, or would a team be just dropped?

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34 minutes ago, jpmc said:

Lets all just pray the sport takes off in North America and the majority of us get lots of (free to air) rugbyleague to watch

I will pray along with you JP, but for entirely different reasons as to the future of our game to those you hope for.

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7 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

I will pray along with you JP, but for entirely different reasons as to the future of our game to those you hope for.

Just preparing myself for when i become a armchair viewer.

I like a underdog so i'll probably nail my colours to the Hamilton mast

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3 minutes ago, jpmc said:

Just preparing myself for when i become a armchair viewer.

I like a underdog so i'll probably nail my colours to the Hamilton mast

Should that not be Lady Hamilton and Lord Nelsons mast?😊

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2 hours ago, Bob8 said:

Do we know that?

They could only bring something new to the table in SL2 as SL1 would be sown up.

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23 hours ago, Dave T said:

Why will it get worse if the proposal is to reduce the amount of teams that get funding?

I was under the impression that the funding would be split between 20 teams instead of the current 12 SL (and a few higher placed Championship) teams. I must have misunderstood where the new money for 'SL2' clubs is coming from.

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23 minutes ago, nadera78 said:

I was under the impression that the funding would be split between 20 teams instead of the current 12 SL (and a few higher placed Championship) teams. I must have misunderstood where the new money for 'SL2' clubs is coming from.

My impression is the money will be split between the 12 SL clubs and a few Championship clubs. The other French and NA outfits would fund themselves.

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51 minutes ago, nadera78 said:

I was under the impression that the funding would be split between 20 teams instead of the current 12 SL (and a few higher placed Championship) teams. I must have misunderstood where the new money for 'SL2' clubs is coming from.

The money is currently split across 38 clubs. The proposal appears to be to cut off the lower teams.

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31 minutes ago, Dave T said:

The money is currently split across 38 clubs. The proposal appears to be to cut off the lower teams.

I think he possibly means split evenly Dave, although I doubt that would ever happen.

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2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

I think he possibly means split evenly Dave, although I doubt that would ever happen.

Indeed, and no details leaked so hard to be so certain this makes things worsr for SL.

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The proposal is a direct result of chairman's syndrome which includes symptoms such as always looking for the quick easy answer or solution, terminal searching for the path of least resistance, obsessive devil take the hindmost attitudes, selling your Grandmother to the gypsies for a basket of pegs,eternal changing of rules, being absent when difficult questions are asked, a huge tendency to enjoy confusion in others and spots!

A more recent diagnosed symptom as yet to be verified by medical research is leaving buildings with loads of cash which is also referred to as Bandit Contract Disease.

Sometimes referred to as Bill Fallowfield Syndrome after the first person diagnosed with the complaint.Though it must be said that there are many previous possible sufferers of this complaint. Names are available on the BFBS Charity website where contributions can be made to help those inflicted by this terrible disease.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, deluded pom? said:

Many a true word spoken in jest Oxo.

Was someone jesting on this forum dp? I want names,dates, posts, threads!

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On 23/02/2018 at 11:44 AM, scotchy1 said:

It's  question I've asked before, and its a question posed in the article shared above, (1) what are the lower leagues for? 

It seems for a large part of the game the only reason for the lower leagues to exist is as competition to SL, which makes it strange that there is this expectation SL should subsidise them. It's a strange ideology whereby (2) SL clubs are expected to give money they earn and would otherwise be entitled to, to lower leagues in the hope those lower league clubs will someday replace the SL clubs who have been subsidising them.

(1) Clearly the lower leagues are for clubs who are are proud of their club and they want to carry on playing semi-pro Rugby League, SL need them for fairly obvious reasons set out below.

(2) There is no expectation of this at all, Championship clubs sold out on their subsidy a long time ago and went without it for a long time. It's SL decisions that dragged them back to getting SKY money. Your way off beam here.

On 23/02/2018 at 11:51 AM, Dave T said:

I think the real question is if you were 100% ruthless and went the way of 12 teams and (1) shafted all competitors in your area, would this make SL much stronger?

I genuinely don't know. (2) I could probably formulate an argument both ways, but I couldn't say whether as a game we would be stronger or weaker.

(1) “Shafting all competitors in your area” is exactly what the SL clubs did by awarding themselves massive wedges of the SKY contract their Championship neighbours could not compete with, you talk like this is yet to happen,. 

(2) Go on then - formulate an argument the other way, but all you’ll come up with is the old pre-1996 game because that WAS the "other way"?

Clearly that SL leave the door open to so called “competition” and fund this at times, is partly due to the fact big clubs have serious problems. Dumps of grounds hamper Bulls, Cas and Wakey, a lack of a rich benefactor does for Widnes, and may do for Salford and even Fartown in time. They need “subs” available which is why they primed Leigh with a parachute payment. They also need to keep the door open with Toulouse if a French TV contract came in). They need to keep TWP and New York sweet and in place in case SKY pull out and we have to chase an American deal 2021.

Your both completely way off. Having an SL2 is pure SL self-interest, not self-destruction.............

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3 hours ago, The Parksider said:

Your both completely way off. Having an SL2 is pure SL self-interest, not self-destruction.............

"Your both completely way off." Well that sorted the counter argument out didn't it?

"Having an SL2 is pure SL self-interest ..." Well you could've knocked me down with a yawn tackle something we totally agree on and I understood what your point was Parky. :swoon:

"not self-destruction............." But here's the debatable point they may be richer, more able to compete but a smaller geographical, fan, heartland and in all likelihood participation footprint and it all begins to look very much like a death wish, suicide note or at the very least the short term gain equivalent of self-harming.

Now these are all the things you've been lecturing about on this very forum for quite a while so I'm not altogether sure why you seem to be on the opposite side of the fence here?

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