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Ladbrokes Challenge Cup Round 4 Match Thread

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Discuss all the fourth round ties in the Ladbrokes Challenge Cup here.

FRIDAY 16th MARCH
Kells v Toronto Wolfpack KO 6.15pm
Doncaster v Newcastle Thunder KO 8pm

SATURDAY 17th MARCH
Normanton Knights v Rochdale Hornets KO 2pm
at LD Nutrition Stadium

SUNDAY 18TH MARCH
Barrow Raiders v Sheffield Eagles KO 3pm
Batley Bulldogs v Leigh Centurions KO 3pm
Coventry Bears v Pilkington Recs KO 3pm    
Halifax v Oldham KO 3pm
Hunslet v Bradford Bulls KO 3pm
North Wales Crusaders v Featherstone Rovers KO 2.30pm
Whitehaven v Dewsbury Rams KO 3pm
Workington Town v London Broncos KO 3pm
York City Knights v Swinton Lions KO 3pm

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Some potentially tight games in there - at Barrow, Batley, Coventry, Doncaster and York. Struggling to decide where to go!

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2 hours ago, HP Beans said:

Come on Kells,those boys don’t like a trip to Cumbria👍🏻😉

lol hopefully it's a dry day otherwise we could well be in for an upset. sounds like you boys will be up for a game and looking to make  a point against the "scourge" that is TWP if you believe Parky.

Anyone else thinking that Leigh will throw the game so they can just focus on the league?

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Semi-interesting fact. Three fixtures in this round that are repeated the very next week in their respective leagues, Barrow vs Sheffield, Doncaster vs Newcastle and Hunslet vs Bradford - the latter two at the away team's ground though. 

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3 hours ago, Krzzystuff said:

lol hopefully it's a dry day otherwise we could well be in for an upset. sounds like you boys will be up for a game and looking to make  a point against the "scourge" that is TWP if you believe Parky.

Anyone else thinking that Leigh will throw the game so they can just focus on the league?

Heard at work last night that Toronto have told Kells to keep all the gate money from Friday's game,nice gesture if true.

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Just a reminder to any travelling Featherstone supporters that North Wales Crusaders now play our home games at

Queensway Stadium,

Queensway,

Wrexham

LL13 8UH

Croeso cynes i pawb/ A warm welcome to all

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8 hours ago, Hopping Mad said:

Some potentially tight games in there - at Barrow, Batley, Coventry, Doncaster and York. Struggling to decide where to go!

Coventry game won't be tight... Coventry to win by 30-40

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I don't know much about the NCL sides but do any have a fair shot at making in through? Rochdale and Coventry aren't in top form, will they be giving their all in the game as you think the NCL sides will be treating the games like a final. Kells have a long shot in the mud as they would be much more accustomed to those conditions than us and again they will be relishing the entire day.

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31 minutes ago, Krzzystuff said:

Kells have a long shot in the mud as they would be much more accustomed to those conditions than us...

How many players in the Toronto matchday 17 won't be accustomed to mud? Doesn't it rain in Lancashire?

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Just now, Hopping Mad said:

How many players in the Toronto matchday 17 won't be accustomed to mud? Doesn't it rain in Lancashire?

Yes but some of the TWP players are from Yorkshire.

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there was a long discussion on this in the champ match thread when we tied Barrow. Although we have a majority English squad who would have grown up in these conditions at some point the higher level players don't play on these types of pitches and thus aren't used to them. Similar to football, if you bring a top  EPL side to an amateur clubs ground they won't be able to play as well on the pitch because they are used to playing on pristine pitches even though they started playing in the park.

 

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FRIDAY 16th MARCH
Kells 4-52 Toronto Wolfpack KO 
Doncaster 24-20  Newcastle Thunder 

SATURDAY 17th MARCH
Normanton Knights 6-42 Rochdale Hornets 
 

SUNDAY 18TH MARCH
Barrow Raiders 20-22 Sheffield Eagles 
Batley Bulldogs 26-18 Leigh Centurions 
Coventry Bears 28-18 Pilkington Recs    
Halifax 34-16 Oldham KO 
Hunslet 8-32 Bradford Bulls 
North Wales Crusaders 12-40 Featherstone Rovers 
Whitehaven 6-30 Dewsbury Rams 
Workington Town 10-38 London Broncos 
York City Knights 20-18 Swinton Lions 

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19 minutes ago, Krzzystuff said:

there was a long discussion on this in the champ match thread when we tied Barrow. Although we have a majority English squad who would have grown up in these conditions at some point the higher level players don't play on these types of pitches and thus aren't used to them. Similar to football, if you bring a top  EPL side to an amateur clubs ground they won't be able to play as well on the pitch because they are used to playing on pristine pitches even though they started playing in the park.

This tie isn't being played at either of the grounds used by Kells. It's at the Recreation Ground, Whitehaven RLFC (ie League One). Which, I grant you, is usually a bog at this time of year. Going to be tough for those Leigh lads to come to terms with.

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Kells v Toronto Wolfpack

Wolfpack by 70 
Doncaster v Newcastle 

Donny by 8

SATURDAY 17th MARCH
Normanton Knights v Rochdale Hornets 

Rochdale by 66
at LD Nutrition Stadium

SUNDAY 18TH MARCH
Barrow Raiders v Sheffield Eagles 

Barrow by 8
Batley Bulldogs v Leigh Centurions 

Batley by 4
Coventry Bears v Pilkington Recs

Coventry by 12    
Halifax v Oldham 

Fax by 24
Hunslet v Bradford Bulls 

bulls by 10
North Wales Crusaders v Featherstone Rovers 

fev by 24
Whitehaven v Dewsbury Rams

dewsbury by 8
Workington Town v London Broncos 

london by 28
York City Knights v Swinton Lions 

york by 2

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2 hours ago, Krzzystuff said:

I don't know much about the NCL sides but do any have a fair shot at making in through? Rochdale and Coventry aren't in top form, will they be giving their all in the game as you think the NCL sides will be treating the games like a final. Kells have a long shot in the mud as they would be much more accustomed to those conditions than us and again they will be relishing the entire day.

Coventry have won back to back games and scored some good tries in both games. They'll be feeling confident but certainly won't take Pilkington lightly. 

 

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Games at Donny, Barrow, Batley and York look interesting, the rest look fairly predictable. One thing we're going to have to watch is the weather, with the predicted return of the 'Beast from the East' (and they're not talking about Putin here).

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12 hours ago, Krzzystuff said:

there was a long discussion on this in the champ match thread when we tied Barrow. Although we have a majority English squad who would have grown up in these conditions at some point the higher level players don't play on these types of pitches and thus aren't used to them. Similar to football, if you bring a top  EPL side to an amateur clubs ground they won't be able to play as well on the pitch because they are used to playing on pristine pitches even though they started playing in the park.

 

Lets just step back to reality Kryzzy, you are trying to make some excuse as underfoot conditions are going to somehow bring a professional full time team down to the level of a group of men who are totally amatuer because they are not of an abillity to play at any higher level, who in most probabillity train 2 nights a week for a couple of hours after going to work to improve both their fitness and rugby skills.

The only place where any levelling will take place is above the ground and between the earholes of the partcipents, the amatuer lads will want to leave an impression on their full time professional counterparts they will give it their all, but they will over the course of the game not be big enough, strong enough, fit enough or not skillfull enough to overcome them, but it will not be for the lack of trying, it has always been and will continue to be the case with these type of games.

Using the comparrison of Wendyball (EFL) with Rugby League where the game is predominantly played on the floor and if the ball will not roll or gets stuck that can effect the game and really the physical aspect of the players doesn't come to the fore, is not such a good example to use.

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16 hours ago, gogledd said:

Just a reminder to any travelling Featherstone supporters that North Wales Crusaders now play our home games at

Queensway Stadium,

Queensway,

Wrexham

LL13 8UH

Croeso cynes i pawb/ A warm welcome to all

Thank you very much,i am looking forward to visiting again.

i have always enjoyed our games and the great fans you have that make us welcome.

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3 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Lets just step back to reality Kryzzy, you are trying to make some excuse as underfoot conditions are going to somehow bring a professional full time team down to the level of a group of men who are totally amatuer because they are not of an abillity to play at any higher level, who in most probabillity train 2 nights a week for a couple of hours after going to work to improve both their fitness and rugby skills.

The only place where any levelling will take place is above the ground and between the earholes of the partcipents, the amatuer lads will want to leave an impression on their full time professional counterparts they will give it their all, but they will over the course of the game not be big enough, strong enough, fit enough or not skillfull enough to overcome them, but it will not be for the lack of trying, it has always been and will continue to be the case with these type of games.

Using the comparrison of Wendyball (EFL) with Rugby League where the game is predominantly played on the floor and if the ball will not roll or gets stuck that can effect the game and really the physical aspect of the players doesn't come to the fore, is not such a good example to use.

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3 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Lets just step back to reality Kryzzy, you are trying to make some excuse as underfoot conditions are going to somehow bring a professional full time team down to the level of a group of men who are totally amatuer because they are not of an abillity to play at any higher level, who in most probabillity train 2 nights a week for a couple of hours after going to work to improve both their fitness and rugby skills.

 

17 hours ago, Krzzystuff said:

Kells have a long shot in the mud as they would be much more accustomed to those conditions than us and again they will be relishing the entire day.

long shot = highly unlikely.

I was merely saying that under poor conditions is the only way I could see any chance of an upset. Siddal almost took us last year in our fist game and the weather and pitch was the big leveler there.

I'm hoping that Kells have a good run out and enjoy the game immensely, if they get a try i will be cheering for them at my desk while listening to the radio because it's like you and your buddies having a go at Barcelona and scoring  goal...you can lose 500-1 but that 1 goal will mean the world to ya.

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