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So the noose is tightening around the Penrith Panthers supporter alleged to have shouted racial obscenities to Greg Inglis on the weekend as he left the pitch. It is expected that found guilty the supporter will be given a life ban.

In a game where the rulers encourage rehabilitation and offer second and third chances to players guilty of violence, drug and other criminal offences, shouldn't the governors afford the same rehabilitation to its wider supporter family?

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I despise racism but a lifetime ban is very harsh when, as you suggest, a player would just get banned for a couple of months and then be back.

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No place for racism its just plain ugly, Sadly we have a forum member who thinks racism towards aboriginals is funny , Thankfully admin put a stop to it quickly.

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17 minutes ago, RabbitRhinoovOZ said:

No place for racism its just plain ugly, Sadly we have a forum member who thinks racism towards aboriginals is funny , Thankfully admin put a stop to it quickly.

I wouldn't call racism funny. I think you are somewhat funny though.

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40 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

So the noose is tightening around the Penrith Panthers supporter alleged to have shouted racial obscenities to Greg Inglis on the weekend as he left the pitch. It is expected that found guilty the supporter will be given a life ban.

In a game where the rulers encourage rehabilitation and offer second and third chances to players guilty of violence, drug and other criminal offences, shouldn't the governors afford the same rehabilitation to its wider supporter family?

No. 

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19 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

I wouldn't call racism funny. I think you are somewhat funny though.

I have my moments ;)

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To put it into perspective, A long time Souths member was given a life ban from RL because a few seasons ago he held up a banner that stated "#### forever in our shadows" directed at the scummy club who have a chook as an emblem.

Now if that warrants a ban then vile racism particularly towards Aboriginal people who've provided  RL with so much over the years certainly does to.

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Yet Andrew Johns said the same thing about Inglis and was named an Immortal. Plus Paul Gallen also a racist towards Mickey Paea and is held up and an ornament by many

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1 hour ago, Sports Prophet said:

So the noose is tightening around the Penrith Panthers supporter alleged to have shouted racial obscenities to Greg Inglis on the weekend as he left the pitch. It is expected that found guilty the supporter will be given a life ban.

In a game where the rulers encourage rehabilitation and offer second and third chances to players guilty of violence, drug and other criminal offences, shouldn't the governors afford the same rehabilitation to its wider supporter family?

It's a good question. I think a couple of years and conditions around behaviour and maybe even an education course could be more useful, even maybe some high profile stuff in the media. If they don't want to do that, sod off.

I think we need to be careful, people make mistakes, as a game I like the fact we try to help communities and help people in need. I feel sorry for some people who have such horrible views and think they may need some help.

What would a player get for a racist slur? We know that in this country you only get 5 games for a homophobic slur aimed at the ref, so we hardly champion punishing discrimination.

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I don’t know . An awful lot of  work is done down there nowadays in the game and in general in regard to indigenous heritage and culture , and educating and making people aware of all of these things . So if all this in 2018 , and in a society and sport  of immigration and diversity , still passes you by I’m not sure what else can be done and firm signals must be sent as a deterrent and message if proven 

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rehabilitation, a ban for sure but insist has to go to some form of education and community experience and then assess.

of course racism is abhorrent but we should surely be looking at education and changing people in the first instance. Especial if they are intellectually lazy

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I can remember hearing racist shouts from a section of the crowd in the mid 1970's in a stand I was in. You'd hope that by now this was a thing of the past. Racist language and barracking is now not only illegal but seen to be unacceptable by most people. A lifetime ban seems extreme, but hopefully this puts out a strong message to that this will not be tolerated. I reckon the ban should have been for the rest of the season. A second offence would then see them banned for life. Going forward, I'd apply these measures to players too.

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Good to see some rational thoughts here.

The perpetrator is obviously in need of some education. I would like to think our sport can educate as well as entertain.

A life time ban educates no-one.

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1 hour ago, Sports Prophet said:

Why not?

"Pour dissuader les autres"

It was a deliberate act, not committed under any duress, not committed as a reaction to any provocation. It has to be made clear that it will not be tolerated.

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1 minute ago, Sports Prophet said:

Good to see some rational thoughts here.

The perpetrator is obviously in need of some education. I would like to think our sport can educate as well as entertain.

A life time ban educates no-one.

Not so. It educates potential copycats.

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1 hour ago, goldcoaster said:

Yet Andrew Johns said the same thing about Inglis and was named an Immortal. Plus Paul Gallen also a racist towards Mickey Paea and is held up and an ornament by many

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/folau-part-of-johns-black-list-in-racism-row-20100614-yacb.html

Didn't he also racially slur Tahu at training too?

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Depends what exactly was said and to what degree the phrase/Comment is racist. Its a very grey area at times. I think in the AFL it was a teenage Girl who shouted something. And does a life time ban actually achieve anything? I would think working with the local authorities and maybe getting them to work with the group etc would achieve more. Maybe if they refused to do that then look at a Ban until a change in attitude.

Its OK to say we dont tolerate this and rightly so. But we also need to think what would send the right message out and if there are other circumstances that need or should be considered that would achieve far more good for the Person, Other fans and the game as a whole. Banning a 16 year old for life for example does what? 

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13 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Not so. It educates potential copycats.

I do understand this view too. Being firm shows that our game is not a place for bigots, but then when we don't take that same stance with players, it becomes a little harder to justify.

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4 minutes ago, Lounge Room Lizard said:

Depends what exactly was said and to what degree the phrase/Comment is racist. Its a very grey area at times. I think in the AFL it was a teenage Girl who shouted something. And does a life time ban actually achieve anything? I would think working with the local authorities and maybe getting them to work with the group etc would achieve more. Maybe if they refused to do that then look at a Ban until a change in attitude.

Its OK to say we dont tolerate this and rightly so. But we also need to think what would send the right message out and if there are other circumstances that need or should be considered that would achieve far more good for the Person, Other fans and the game as a whole. Banning a 16 year old for life for example does what? 

What I would have found decent behaviour at 16 is very different to what I now find decent at nearly 40. People do grow up. It is right that we take it seriously and I think some of the actions proposed do show that we will not tolerate it.

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It amazes me that racialism still is prevalent in Aussie.Over 20 years ago I attended a game at Lang Park between Brisbane and St. George. The St George winger,who I will not name,scored a try for St.George.The score board named the scorer as " No 5 the ***** man". I was appalled and astonished that was allowed and actually the majority of supporters around me thought it hilarious.Yet it seems it still goes on.

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Who pays for the rehab? If a player requires rehabbing, I suppose the club will pick up the bill. I doubt they want to fork out for a fan to go to rehab!

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