Guest Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, dkw said: What terms did Toronto dictate to the rfl? They are paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, SL17 said: They are paying. Paying what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, RP London said: absolutely this is up to the clubs to sort out, the FA nor UEFA will not be organising the permits to travel for the clubs going to weird and wacky destinations in the UEFA cup or the Champions League nor will FIFA for the world cup. When we traveled for work we had to organise it ourselves.. now I wouldnt necessarily expect clubs to do that but it certainly isn't the governing bodies job to get individuals sorted to travel overseas with their clubs. They arent little boys. equally to be fair it really doesnt matter who is involved if the players arent going to be truthful and honest or give you the wrong information etc as you can only work with the information you are given Yes, but you don't see footballers being turned away at an airport, regardless of wrong information. Why? Because they'll have a management team that see's to that. RL clubs can't afford management teams to support that, so someone should. They didn't ask TWP to join they were accepted by the RFL. Never problems travelling back and forth to OZ,what makes Canada so different. I'm sorry but we just can't have players being turned away at airports because a airline thinks they won't get through immigration in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, dkw said: Paying what? Yes we know, an air ticket and a university campus. Back to your game of scrabble theres a good boy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, SL17 said: Yes, but you don't see footballers being turned away at an airport, regardless of wrong information. Why? Because they'll have a management team that see's to that. RL clubs can't afford management teams to support that, so someone should. They didn't ask TWP to join they were accepted by the RFL. Never problems travelling back and forth to OZ,what makes Canada so different. I'm sorry but we just can't have players being turned away at airports because a airline thinks they won't get through immigration in Canada. Its not an airline thinking they wont get through immigration its the fact they havent got the correct documentation to get through. Each country has its own rules on immigration be it for holiday or for work or for playing sport and all you have to do is follow it. It doesnt matter about TWP being accepted and who did what, this is a club matter not an RFL matter.. and I would happily bag the RFL at any given opportunity because i dont think they are fit for purpose but on this one it has to be dealt with by the clubs who have all the HR are personal date of the players and have the direct day to day contact with them. Frankly a single player should, on his own, be able to apply for the documentation it shouldnt even really be down to the club, plenty of people manage it, plenty of the supporters seem to manage it so really what is the big problem. A club is going to sort it out, and I can understand why as they want all their players and they cannot trust them to sort it out themselves. If they want to do a belts and braces job then TWP have even got an immigration specialist who can help them. Football clubs get this sorted out because it isnt very difficult and they can have pretty short turnarounds especially in European Knock out tournaments when they may only have a week or so notice.. you do not need a "management team" to organise 25 of these things for 1 visit. You can get the easy ones done in an afternoon and then the tougher ones that need more info may take a little longer but you have this specialist who can help (or plenty of other ones in this country I am sure) its not hard. Lets be fair on this it is not happening frequently there are plenty of teams getting over there without much of a problem at all/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, SL17 said: Who deals with the England squad? Why is the same not being applied to clubs . Shouldn't be a case of asking, it should be in place at a cost to whoever, not left for individual clubs to sort. Eh? England are a rep side so of course it sits with the RFL and their administrators Clubs have their own staff to deal with this Its a really small problem, that’s impacting a minority of players. They shouldn’t be driving a change in procedure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 On the point of the RFL sorting this you would be asking 1 team of people (or 1 person probably as they only do this once or twice a year for the England team/squad) to now deal with hundreds of applications. Needing to get paperwork from hundreds of people and making sure that each piece matches up. As an ex process co-ordinator (in a service part of an industry pushing lots of financial papers) I can already see where there will be holes and problems in this idea.. much better to have smaller numbers looked after by people who have more knowledge and easier access to the people involved to check information.. you know like the clubs themselves... it is actually obvious common sense that the clubs do it themselves for umpteen reasons. But as with any process the process is only as good as the information and the users of said process (in this instance the players and their openness and their ability to put their hands on the paperwork or doas their told [renew passport etc]). But any of this errors that are happening at club level would be magnified if the RFL was doing it as they would have less access to the players and they would have less eyes on the prize. TWP have tried to make this easier, no one can blame them and they have probably done literally all that they can to help. The RFL cannot do much more themselves without over complicating the whole thing. BUT again lets just get a little bit of a grip here, it isnt happening often and it isnt happening to many players which tends to shout out that it is individual issues rather than a problem with the process as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Spidey said: Eh? England are a rep side so of course it sits with the RFL and their administrators Clubs have their own staff to deal with this Its a really small problem, that’s impacting a minority of players. They shouldn’t be driving a change in procedure Who? How can it be a really small problem when potentially you could be leaving half your team at home, or key players. Something needs putting in place to safeguard that, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, SL17 said: Who? How can it be a really small problem when potentially you could be leaving half your team at home, or key players. Something needs putting in place to safeguard that, surely. Get some figures to back that up. How many players have been left behind so far, against how many haven’t had any issues? We’ve heard of a few clubs having problems with a few players You’re making mountains out of molehills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, SL17 said: Who? How can it be a really small problem when potentially you could be leaving half your team at home, or key players. Something needs putting in place to safeguard that, surely. its happened twice that a couple of players have been stopped from going, unless we know exactly why we are only speculating but possibly because they were naughty and didnt own up to it, possibly because they wouldnt have got into the country if the full facts were known etc.. neither of which problems would be solved by any of the measures you would like to see put in place. Everyone else on every other team has got in an there have been no issues that werent able to be dealt with in house. you are blowing this issue way out of proportion to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Spidey said: Get some figures to back that up. How many players have been left behind so far, against how many haven’t had any issues? We’ve heard of a few clubs having problems with a few players You’re making mountains out of molehills He is caught in your web like a fly in the ointment Webslinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Spidey said: Get some figures to back that up. How many players have been left behind so far, against how many haven’t had any issues? We’ve heard of a few clubs having problems with a few players You’re making mountains out of molehills What do you need figures for? 17 v 15 isn't a level playing field to start off with. Do TWP have an available flight to cater for players who need to be replaced due to being turned away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, SL17 said: What do you need figures for? 17 v 15 isn't a level playing field to start off with. Do TWP have an available flight to cater for players who need to be replaced due to being turned away? Ha ha, you need to step away from the keyboard, you're just embarrassing yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, SL17 said: What do you need figures for? 17 v 15 isn't a level playing field to start off with. Do TWP have an available flight to cater for players who need to be replaced due to being turned away? You’ve made claim about half a team being turned away. I’ve not seen anything to indicate that’s going to happen. I assume you’ve analysed all the trips so far and all the applications made to come to that conclusion Or you’re just taking rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, dkw said: Ha ha, you need to step away from the keyboard, you're just embarrassing yourself. The word " oxyphenbutazone" will gain you 1778 points. Don't say I didn't help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Spidey said: You’ve made claim about half a team being turned away. I’ve not seen anything to indicate that’s going to happen. I assume you’ve analysed all the trips so far and all the applications made to come to that conclusion Or you’re just taking rubbish The cocoon is taking form......he is still wiggling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, SL17 said: The word " oxyphenbutazone" will gain you 1778 points. Don't say I didn't help you. I'm sure you believe this is all some kind of hilarious dig, but I have no idea what you are doing, other than giving us all a feeling of vast superiority over someone who's hard of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Spidey said: You’ve made claim about half a team being turned away. I’ve not seen anything to indicate that’s going to happen. I assume you’ve analysed all the trips so far and all the applications made to come to that conclusion Or you’re just taking rubbish The word was " potentially " not a claim. Given I suppose its Air Transat the main sponsor of TWP, can I not throw a conspiracy theory in the mix.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, dkw said: I'm sure you believe this is all some kind of hilarious dig, but I have no idea what you are doing, other than giving us all a feeling of vast superiority over someone who's hard of thinking. Sorry I didn't mean to insult you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Just now, SL17 said: The word was " potentially " not a claim. Given I suppose its Air Transat the main sponsor of TWP, can I not throw a conspiracy theory in the mix.. Conspiracy? You’re really clutching at straws now. I’ll leave you to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, SL17 said: Sorry I didn't mean to insult you. Last ditch attempt to plea for mercy and escape. 2 minutes ago, Spidey said: Conspiracy? You’re really clutching at straws now. I’ll leave you to it Neurotoxin is injected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, SL17 said: What do you need figures for? 17 v 15 isn't a level playing field to start off with. Do TWP have an available flight to cater for players who need to be replaced due to being turned away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnM said: Thanks for that John.. The tongue in cheek is no more I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manu266 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 34 minutes ago, SL17 said: The word was " potentially " not a claim. Given I suppose its Air Transat the main sponsor of TWP, can I not throw a conspiracy theory in the mix.. From the UK staff of Air Transat in Manchester and London... that's a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Picture Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 6 hours ago, SL17 said: I disagree. The RFL accepted TWP on board, on TWP's terms. The RFL therefore have to support it's members in this scenario. On TWP's terms????? Do you think they volunteered to pay for everyone else's travel and accommodation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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