West Leeds Riviera Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 5 games to go and 5 teams can still make the top 4. Toronto need 2 wins to seal the Championship title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris22 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Run In Toronto vs Leigh - Saturday Barrow vs Halifax - Sunday Batley vs London - Sunday Featherstone vs Rochdale - Sunday Sheffield vs Toulouse - Sunday Toulouse vs London - 7th July Toronto vs Sheffield - 7th July Batley vs Leigh - 8thJuly Halifax vs Featherstone - 8th July Toronto vs Batley - 14th July Barrow vs Toulouse - 15th July London vs Halifax - 15th July Rochdale vs Leigh - 15th July Swinton vs Featherstone - 15th July Toronto vs Rochdale - 21st July Featherstone vs London - 22nd July Halifax vs Toulouse - 22nd July Leigh vs Swinton - 22nd July Toulouse vs Dewsbury - 28th July Toronto vs Featherstone - 28th July Barrow vs London - 29th July Halifax vs Rochdale - 29th July Leigh vs Sheffield - 29th July With the number of teams battling for the top 4 set to play each other, it makes it difficult to predict. A shame that barely any of these crunch games will be on TV and that after next year maybe we won't have such an interesting battle at the top of the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCee Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I did a rundown, giving less even match ups a win to the higher ranked team and close matches mainly to the home side. Tied final points would be down to differential. This is not my final predictions, just speculations based on form as I read it at this point in time. Team Pt 19 20 21 22 23 Tot 1 Toronto 33 2 2 2 2 2 43 2 Toulouse 26 2 2 2 0 2 34 3 Halifax 25 2 2 0 2 2 33 4 Leigh 24 0 2 2 2 2 32 5 Featherstone 26 2 0 2 2 0 32 6 London 24 2 0 2 0 2 30 7 Batley 14 0 0 0 0 2 16 8 Sheffield 10 0 0 2 2 0 14 9 Barrow 13 0 0 0 0 0 13 10 Dewsbury 9 0 2 0 2 0 13 11 Swinton 6 2 0 0 0 0 8 12 Rochdale 6 0 2 0 0 0 8 Totals 216 12 12 12 12 12 276 My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/ It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course. It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blues Ox Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Although London should beat Fax at home they look unlikely to beat Fev or Toulouse so they look the most likely to miss out on the top 4 as above. The rest is very tough to predict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 20 hours ago, RayCee said: I did a rundown, giving less even match ups a win to the higher ranked team and close matches mainly to the home side. Tied final points would be down to differential. This is not my final predictions, just speculations based on form as I read it at this point in time. Team Pt 19 20 21 22 23 Tot 1 Toronto 33 2 2 2 2 2 43 2 Toulouse 26 2 2 2 0 2 34 3 Halifax 25 2 2 0 2 2 33 4 Leigh 24 0 2 2 2 2 32 5 Featherstone 26 2 0 2 2 0 32 6 London 24 2 0 2 0 2 30 7 Batley 14 0 0 0 0 2 16 8 Sheffield 10 0 0 2 2 0 14 9 Barrow 13 0 0 0 0 0 13 10 Dewsbury 9 0 2 0 2 0 13 11 Swinton 6 2 0 0 0 0 8 12 Rochdale 6 0 2 0 0 0 8 Totals 216 12 12 12 12 12 276 Just look at the gap between 6 and 7. If an argument were needed for a change in the reward structure then there it is. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCee Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 53 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said: Just look at the gap between 6 and 7. If an argument were needed for a change in the reward structure then there it is. The issue then becomes what structure? My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/ It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course. It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 16 hours ago, RayCee said: The issue then becomes what structure? Exactly the same as in SL and C1 would seem quite reasonable, wouldn't it? Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCee Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said: Exactly the same as in SL and C1 would seem quite reasonable, wouldn't it? What I meant to say was what is your proposal to fix the issue? My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/ It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course. It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Just now, RayCee said: What I meant to say was what is your proposal to fix the issue? Sad to say that I am in agreement with Ian Lenegan (never thought that I would say that) that the distribution should be equal between all clubs in each division - SL £1.7M, Championship £314K, C1 £75K. Whether this is what you mean by "fix" I am unsure. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said: Sad to say that I am in agreement with Ian Lenegan (never thought that I would say that) that the distribution should be equal between all clubs in each division - SL £1.7M, Championship £314K, C1 £75K. Whether this is what you mean by "fix" I am unsure. The funding isnt the issue , to achieve a competitive league the salary cap needs looking at , you have to decide wether you are going to allow full time teams , or force the league into part time operation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCee Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said: Sad to say that I am in agreement with Ian Lenegan (never thought that I would say that) that the distribution should be equal between all clubs in each division - SL £1.7M, Championship £314K, C1 £75K. Whether this is what you mean by "fix" I am unsure. Yes, that is what I meant. However, clubs that have a wealthier backer will still have more money. So while that is the case I can't see the situation of a gap in a competition changing. Modern sport is all about money and the club with the most wins. My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/ It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course. It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 minute ago, RayCee said: Yes, that is what I meant. However, clubs that have a wealthier backer will still have more money. So while that is the case I can't see the situation of a gap in a competition changing. Modern sport is all about money and the club with the most wins. Oh, I agree, and it has always been so in RL as well as elsewhere. That is no argument for artificially skewing the system even more though. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: The funding isnt the issue , to achieve a competitive league the salary cap needs looking at , you have to decide wether you are going to allow full time teams , or force the league into part time operation I don't see that you can force clubs into any particular type of operation, nor why it would be desirable. The maximum salary cap exists, the same as in SL; individual clubs are required to provide the RFL with evidence to support the salary cap under which they will operate in any particular season, which was intended as a measure to protect some clubs from them selves. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCee Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said: Oh, I agree, and it has always been so in RL as well as elsewhere. That is no argument for artificially skewing the system even more though. The only way to stop the situation is get rid of promotion relegation, the system that the UK uses in sport. The NRL have an exclusive club arrangement where there is a top league that is the same every year. In the US, they have franchises and drafts. Is that the answer? I personally prefer how it is done in the UK, but it does create this somewhat uneven match up in the Championship. My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/ It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course. It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Just now, RayCee said: The only way to stop the situation is get rid of promotion relegation, the system that the UK uses in sport. The NRL have an exclusive club arrangement where there is a top league that is the same every year. In the US, they have franchises and drafts. Is that the answer? I personally prefer how it is done in the UK, but it does create this somewhat uneven match up in the Championship. Stand back from the storm to come!! Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCee Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said: Stand back from the storm to come!! I've got my mac at the ready. My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/ It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course. It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 22 minutes ago, RayCee said: I've got my mac at the ready. So tell us , who gets in , and who doesnt ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Giving more money to clubs without fans like Batley is what kills a sport. Two tens is both affordable and essential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardypaul Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 4 hours ago, RayCee said: Yes, that is what I meant. However, clubs that have a wealthier backer will still have more money. So while that is the case I can't see the situation of a gap in a competition changing. Modern sport is all about money and the club with the most wins. If you are going to have a level playing field you would also have to limit the amount an owner is allowed to put into a club and to end parachute payments. However the downside would be a widening of the gap between SL and championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gittinsfan Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, sweaty craiq said: Giving more money to clubs without fans like Batley is what kills a sport. Two tens is both affordable and essential Giving a club half a million head start doesn't equate to a level playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 51 minutes ago, gittinsfan said: Giving a club half a million head start doesn't equate to a level playing field. Head start.. Comical. They got to SL via personal investment. Not the first time both Bradford and London took the one off parachute payment. If you want to play with the big boys, you need investment to start with. if you don’t agree with that, then you stay in the same rut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gittinsfan Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, SL17 said: Head start.. Comical. They got to SL via personal investment. Not the first time both Bradford and London took the one off parachute payment. If you want to play with the big boys, you need investment to start with. if you don’t agree with that, then you stay in the same rut. So are you saying half a million doesn't give an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 32 minutes ago, gittinsfan said: So are you saying half a million doesn't give an advantage. Advantage to what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCee Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 On 6/28/2018 at 2:07 PM, RayCee said: I did a rundown, giving less even match ups a win to the higher ranked team and close matches mainly to the home side. Tied final points would be down to differential. This is not my final predictions, just speculations based on form as I read it at this point in time. Team Pt 19 20 21 22 23 Tot 1 Toronto 33 2 2 2 2 2 43 2 Toulouse 26 2 2 2 0 2 34 3 Halifax 25 2 2 0 2 2 33 4 Leigh 24 0 2 2 2 2 32 5 Featherstone 26 2 0 2 2 0 32 6 London 24 2 0 2 0 2 30 7 Batley 14 0 0 0 0 2 16 8 Sheffield 10 0 0 2 2 0 14 9 Barrow 13 0 0 0 0 0 13 10 Dewsbury 9 0 2 0 2 0 13 11 Swinton 6 2 0 0 0 0 8 12 Rochdale 6 0 2 0 0 0 8 Totals 216 12 12 12 12 12 276 7 hours ago, GUBRATS said: So tell us , who gets in , and who doesnt ? See above. My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/ It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course. It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCee Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Cardypaul said: If you are going to have a level playing field you would also have to limit the amount an owner is allowed to put into a club and to end parachute payments. However the downside would be a widening of the gap between SL and championship. There isn't a simple solution. Do one thing for an upside and then there's a downside. My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/ It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course. It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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