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On ‎7‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 12:06 PM, Wilber said:

Well everyone in the room voted for it plus its a £100 fine if they don't attend.

pointless voting for things then not engaging in it, they have three games of 7.5min each way and can turn up with 9/10 players so if they cant do that then we all may as well pack up now and go play tiddlewinks

One of the problems of the amateur game is  at meetings many of the secretaries just vote with the majority and not with what they think is the best for their club and at these meeting you'll probably have 3 or 4 secretaries who are vocal.

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Just now, Marauder said:

One of the problems of the amateur game is  at meetings many of the secretaries just vote with the majority and not with what they think is the best for their club and at these meeting you'll probably have 3 or 4 secretaries who are vocal.

I’ve asked a few secretaries and nobody remembers this particular vote. It would be interesting to see the minutes of the meeting where this vote took place and who was actually in attendance. 

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2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I’ve asked a few secretaries and nobody remembers this particular vote. It would be interesting to see the minutes of the meeting where this vote took place and who was actually in attendance. 

Sadly not many secretaries take notes at meetings and feed them back to their committee, in fact many only turn up to stop their clubs getting a fine.

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1 minute ago, Marauder said:

Sadly not many secretaries take notes at meetings and feed them back to their committee, in fact many only turn up to stop their clubs getting a fine.

The ones I spoke to are generally good it that department. Hence my surprise that they don’t remember the vote

For your reason above its vitally important that minutes are kept

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On 7/16/2018 at 12:48 PM, dixiedean said:

Not entirely sure why we need 4 national NCL divisions? Was brought in to provide elite amateur competition. Having 50 plus teams has drastically weakened the regional leagues.

Agree that the drop off of players is not unique to RL.

Soccer has seen a huge number of clubs and leagues fold in recent years as well. 

There is simply a greater range of pastimes and entertainment these days.

And the league wont,s to accept more teams in. You look in some area,s and there are 5-6 teams, it,s already to diluted 

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The standard of the league isn't what it used to be, but neither is the youth rugby, less and less players playing.

What's going on!!! Can anybody sort it out??

Hopefully they can , cause the game I grew up playing is disappearing.

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Season over for most of the team's in the NCL, we need to look seriously at what has happened this season with many clubs really struggling to get a full 17 player's each week. I honestly believe that if we don't regionilse the lower leagues then the future will be  very bleak for the community game.

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Scrap NCL 2&3 and those teams would rejoin the regional leagues which would make them a lot stronger. Less mismatches which I would guess mean more games played. Imagine NWML premier with Judes, Crosfields, Millom etc added to West Bank and Orrell. 

Do we even need 4 NCL divisions? I would say definitely not. 

 

The NCL should be seen as the pinnacle of the amateur game but now it’s an open house. Clock Face for instance got relegated from NWML premier division and the season after they are an NCL side. I seen Salford Roosters play this year and lose 100-0 with 11 men, 2 of which looked to be 50. Fair play to them for getting the game on and not giving up but that’s not what the NCL should be about. 

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2 hours ago, chisholm said:

Season over for most of the team's in the NCL, we need to look seriously at what has happened this season with many clubs really struggling to get a full 17 player's each week. I honestly believe that if we don't regionilse the lower leagues then the future will be  very bleak for the community game.

All the RFL want to is expand, very bad for the game. Should be 2 divisions at most, maybe 3 at a push, but too many mediocre teams  playing in the lowers leagues. Time the Amateur game went back to BARLA and leave the RFL to ruin the Pro Game.

 

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Originally was it meant to be for the elite in terms of playing side and facilities etc? 

If it was it probably isn't the case now, or was it never set out that way?? 

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40 minutes ago, johnmatrix said:

Originally was it meant to be for the elite in terms of playing side and facilities etc? 

If it was it probably isn't the case now, or was it never set out that way?? 

In a word "Yes"

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On 9/16/2018 at 8:04 PM, shawy13 said:

Scrap NCL 2&3 and those teams would rejoin the regional leagues which would make them a lot stronger. Less mismatches which I would guess mean more games played. Imagine NWML premier with Judes, Crosfields, Millom etc added to West Bank and Orrell. 

Do we even need 4 NCL divisions? I would say definitely not. 

 

The NCL should be seen as the pinnacle of the amateur game but now it’s an open house. Clock Face for instance got relegated from NWML premier division and the season after they are an NCL side. I seen Salford Roosters play this year and lose 100-0 with 11 men, 2 of which looked to be 50. Fair play to them for getting the game on and not giving up but that’s not what the NCL should be about. 

I think 3 divisions is fine. Agree the third may need looking at. If you were looking to cut to two leagues would need promotion/relegation between second division and regional. Definitely need three NCL divisions for me it has run fine for a long time with that amount

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I personally believe that the NCL should completely regionalise. Top 8/10 clubs or whatever North, East, West and South - see League 1 South discussion - Home and Away for local clubs and then some cross conference games, 2 Home 2 Away? before ending in July before August break and September playoffs.

Amateur players don’t want to be doing 200 mile round trips every other weekend and it’s a long way for any fans to get to watch as well. 

And more local matches will bring the interest back and club tills ticking. 

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My suggestion would be Premier Division as it is, then Division 1 East and Division 1 West.

Cross division games in the play-offs only.

It'd take a bit of thinking about how promotion and relegation would work, but I honestly think it's the best way forward.

14 teams in each league. If they keep relaxing the criteria as they do now, or the fact that the travel isn't as taxing attracts more teams it could expand to East and West 1 and 2 with straight 1 or 2 up/down between the regional leagues.

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On 9/16/2018 at 8:48 PM, Havenwarrior said:

All the RFL want to is expand, very bad for the game. Should be 2 divisions at most, maybe 3 at a push, but too many mediocre teams  playing in the lowers leagues. Time the Amateur game went back to BARLA and leave the RFL to ruin the Pro Game.

 

HW

I thought it was the NCL decided if clubs entered the league not the RFL.

i agree the bottom 2 divisions should be regonalised but how promotion and relegation would work if say 3 yorkshire teams were bottom of div 1. Some teams needs to drop out anyway, the ones who do not have 2nd teams seem to be the ones that struggle the most.    

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Only my thoughts but amateur should go back to winter rugby this will help SL clubs with there reserve grade teams lads from NCL clubs can step up give it go if it doesn’t happen go back to there club 

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There's rumours abound that Distington and Hensingham have both applied to join the NCL for next season.

If they are accepted, then there's a pretty good chance that will more or less kill off the local league in West Cumbria, at a time when more clubs are needed to create a vibrant competition again.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the NCL was originally created by BARLA as an elite competition for the best and most ambitious of the amateur clubs. Since then, the expansion to 4 divisions has created 4 divisions of predominantly Yorkshire clubs with the Regional Leagues suffering as a result. 

I personally believe we do need a National league structure of some description for the 'elite' clubs to compete in, but does it need to come under the banner of the NCL, or could it be absorbed into the semi-professional structure as League 2 and League 3 and should only be 2 divisions.

The remaining sides could go back to their regional leagues, BUT at the end of the season compete in a crossover competition to find the Champion of Champions, bit like the Champions League in Football - this could be limited to the league winners and runners up and played over a 4 week period as a precursor to the start of the following season.

Something needs done to help reinvigorate the amateur game …..and quickly 

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On ‎9‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 8:48 PM, Havenwarrior said:

All the RFL want to is expand, very bad for the game. Should be 2 divisions at most, maybe 3 at a push, but too many mediocre teams  playing in the lowers leagues. Time the Amateur game went back to BARLA and leave the RFL to ruin the Pro Game.

 

HW

I agree the amateur game should be ran and managed by their someone, …...but BARLA are a spent force.

I know they have had a lot of their powers eroded by the RFL, but people outside of Yorkshire see BARLA as a Yorkshire organisation, to look after Yorkshire clubs.

For this to work, it needs a new management committee set up from scratch with elected reps from each RL playing area to ensure balanced views. The Chair should be on a rotation basis every couple of years, so each region gets an equal voice  

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On ‎10‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 11:06 AM, Death to the Rah Rah's said:

I agree the amateur game should be ran and managed by their someone, …...but BARLA are a spent force.

I know they have had a lot of their powers eroded by the RFL, but people outside of Yorkshire see BARLA as a Yorkshire organisation, to look after Yorkshire clubs.

For this to work, it needs a new management committee set up from scratch with elected reps from each RL playing area to ensure balanced views. The Chair should be on a rotation basis every couple of years, so each region gets an equal voice  

It's not a spent force, it's in a position where it can be rebuilt into a more modern association with the right people in the right places and as for looking at it as a Yorkshire organisation why are so many Lancashire and Cumbrians pulling BARLA rep shirts on when they could be filled easily by lads playing in the BARLA leagues from Yorkshire.

Rotation of the chair would just see the association going round in circles and I'll base my assumption on how the BARLA teams have in the past been made up of players mainly from the coaches own county.

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On ‎10‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 11:01 AM, Death to the Rah Rah's said:

kill off the local league

It sure will and if they start to struggle in a couple of years time where will they be going back to.

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