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On 7/31/2018 at 7:36 AM, MidlandsRugbyLeague said:

Theres nobody from either club playing for Cov Bears.

Harry Kaufman and Dan Gover both played for Dragons last year didn't they? 

2 hours ago, Marauder said:

Convenient, we all know that students from the heartlands got offered places at the local uni and with it the chance to play in he championship 1 competition, I'm also sure that anyone else who could pass and catch to the required standard also got the same offer,  my gripe is why haven't they got more locals playing, Coventry ran two teams and juniors 4 or 5 years ago, where are these guys or has it just turned into flags on a map exercise.

What is convenient, knowing players and where they were born? 

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On 7/30/2018 at 7:39 PM, bbfaz said:

So, was everybody lying to me about Coventry Bears stripping Coventry Dragons and Northampton of their best players?

Not true at all, the Bears have been supportive to both clubs. Some Bears players have made appearances for the Dragons and there was an agreement in place for between the clubs for this year. If a Dragons player was good enough they'd have had a chance to play in league one but equally Bears fringe players would have had a chance to get game time at the Dragons. 

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11 hours ago, Marauder said:

Convenient, we all know that students from the heartlands got offered places at the local uni and with it the chance to play in he championship 1 competition, I'm also sure that anyone else who could pass and catch to the required standard also got the same offer,  my gripe is why haven't they got more locals playing, Coventry ran two teams and juniors 4 or 5 years ago, where are these guys or has it just turned into flags on a map exercise.

Nothing convenient about it. You stated something which was untrue and we're given evidence of that. In addition to that list there have been other young lads who've broke through this year and played in the first team. Cameron Stewart who is from Leicester and made his debut against Keighley is a good example. The Bears are very much about developing Midlands based players rather than being reliant on northern players. 

The Bears have a junior set up still (70+ kids were turning up every week in the last few months) and also 13-16s training. The Bears haven't had a 2nd team in last couple of years (agreement with Dragons was an option to fill the gap) but I understand there are plans to resurrect it. The problem is where a Bears reserves fit in to get them playing to get enough games and at a high enough standard to be able to progress into league one. 

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9 hours ago, OriginalMrC said:

Nothing convenient about it. You stated something which was untrue and we're given evidence of that. In addition to that list there have been other young lads who've broke through this year and played in the first team. Cameron Stewart who is from Leicester and made his debut against Keighley is a good example. The Bears are very much about developing Midlands based players rather than being reliant on northern players. 

The Bears have a junior set up still (70+ kids were turning up every week in the last few months) and also 13-16s training. The Bears haven't had a 2nd team in last couple of years (agreement with Dragons was an option to fill the gap) but I understand there are plans to resurrect it. The problem is where a Bears reserves fit in to get them playing to get enough games and at a high enough standard to be able to progress into league one. 

Have you not thought about getting the reserves to play in winter? That would solve all the problems 

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20 hours ago, Saint 1 said:

Harry Kaufman and Dan Gover both played for Dragons last year didn't they? 

What is convenient, knowing players and where they were born? 

Convenient in over looking the rest of the squad but I suppose you don't bite the hand that pays you.

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1 hour ago, DoubleD said:

Have you not thought about getting the reserves to play in winter? That would solve all the problems 

Not sure that would be practical as reserves is to keep players fit during season and get young players ready for the first team. Also the Bears share a stadium where Rugby Union and Football are both played in the winter. 

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12 hours ago, MidlandsRugbyLeague said:

They may have done but theyve also played for the Bears before Dragons came on the scene.

Fair enough, the player I know from Cov Dragons just said that previously they had been some of the better and more committed players and obviously the signing of them means only the less committed players are left. 

11 hours ago, OriginalMrC said:

The Bears haven't had a 2nd team in last couple of years (agreement with Dragons was an option to fill the gap) but I understand there are plans to resurrect it. The problem is where a Bears reserves fit in to get them playing to get enough games and at a high enough standard to be able to progress into league one. 

I would be interested in where they hope to get the players for a 2nd Team, particularly of the requisite standard. They could easily enter the Yorkshire League though.

1 hour ago, Marauder said:

Convenient in over looking the rest of the squad but I suppose you don't bite the hand that pays you.

So you want a list of the birthplaces of every squad member, and if there are any Northern players then your point is proven? Is that the argument you're seriously making? 

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1 hour ago, OriginalMrC said:

Not sure that would be practical as reserves is to keep players fit during season and get young players ready for the first team. Also the Bears share a stadium where Rugby Union and Football are both played in the winter. 

It was joke mate......................as some seem to think winter is the solution to all problems and how much better that game was/would be if played in winter

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1 hour ago, DoubleD said:

It was joke mate......................as some seem to think winter is the solution to all problems and how much better that game was/would be if played in winter

Thought it may have been! Should have known 😂

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On 7/31/2018 at 8:36 AM, MidlandsRugbyLeague said:

Theres nobody from either club playing for Cov Bears.

 

On 8/1/2018 at 11:41 PM, OriginalMrC said:

Not true at all, the Bears have been supportive to both clubs. Some Bears players have made appearances for the Dragons and there was an agreement in place for between the clubs for this year. If a Dragons player was good enough they'd have had a chance to play in league one but equally Bears fringe players would have had a chance to get game time at the Dragons. 

I'm not criticising Coventry Bears.  However, late last year and earlier this year, clubs in London & South East region were cajoled, prodded and maybe even bullied into adopting a structure that would allow the absorption of Coventry Dragons and Northampton Demons.  A month before the start of the season, Coventry dropped out and Northampton followed them about two weeks into the season.  A player numbers crisis was amongst the listed reasons and some even mentioned the Bears' more local recruitment.

All I want to know is, who was lying to the rest of us and what was the real reason?  You even see the "I can't believe what the RFL did to us" posts on Facebook with no clarification.

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25 minutes ago, bbfaz said:

 

I'm not criticising Coventry Bears.  However, late last year and earlier this year, clubs in London & South East region were cajoled, prodded and maybe even bullied into adopting a structure that would allow the absorption of Coventry Dragons and Northampton Demons.  A month before the start of the season, Coventry dropped out and Northampton followed them about two weeks into the season.  A player numbers crisis was amongst the listed reasons and some even mentioned the Bears' more local recruitment.

All I want to know is, who was lying to the rest of us and what was the real reason?  You even see the "I can't believe what the RFL did to us" posts on Facebook with no clarification.

I'll be honest I don't know the workings of either Dragons or Northampton or the reasons they were unable to fulfill fixtures.. All I know if that Bears did not strip players from either club. Dan Gover signed for Bears this year but had already played for Bears last year. Harry Kaufman also joined and is now playing with Philadelphia fight in the states. I am sure it is easy to point the finger at the Bears but I am pretty certain Bears signing these two players was not a factor particularly since there was an agreement with Dragons to give them fringe players (some of whom had already played for Dragons in pre season). 

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2 hours ago, MidlandsRugbyLeague said:

The no clarification bit is the giveaway.

It's become incredibly frustrating to me.  The RFL is so opaque and that opacity trickles down and it all becomes about rumour and innuendo.  The level of smack-talk and, double-speak is now at the point where it feels as though everybody is now in the wrong.  The finger cannot be solely pointed at the RFL for this.  Most frustratingly is when clubs meet to brainstorm and there's been a discussion had before the meeting to decide what would happen.

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Something is definitely afoot but I can't say for sure what it is.

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11 hours ago, bbfaz said:

Something is definitely afoot but I can't say for sure what it is.

What makes you think this? 

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3 hours ago, Saint 1 said:

What makes you think this? 

I was told by somebody that something was afoot but they weren't sure exactly what it is because it's in a very early stage.

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21 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

About those resources and pots of money the RFL should redeploy to the heartlands -

 

How many staff are based in the NE and that area is thriving? The answer is none. 

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They actually have one employee in London!?!

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

EDIT: And they did this before.  They closed everything and told people to work from home in 2013/2014.  As I've said before - here and other places - clubs and volunteers need to fill the void.  Start it with an independent chairman.  There has to be somebody within the nearly 19m people who live in London or an adjacent county that would put their hand up and get involved.  SURELY?

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Is there anyway Hemel, West Wales, Coventry and London Skolars could run second teams in a southern league with a few strong ambitious community clubs?

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2 hours ago, JM2010 said:

Is there anyway Hemel, West Wales, Coventry and London Skolars could run second teams in a southern league with a few strong ambitious community clubs?

West Wales struggle to field a first team 

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We need to get away from this idea first and foremost.  Reserve teams further down the pyramid have consistently done no favours for anybody.  If you're in a league like the London League, reserves should be in the entry league with new teams and teams that don't have their act together.  Unfortunately, reserve teams are treated as such.  I think Skolars A had one or two decent seasons, Hemel had one brilliant one in the East and then complained it was too easy.  How can you expect teams that can't be consistent 

If you want a league with a "few strong ambitious community clubs", you need those clubs to be first teams and there needs to be some element of funding.  Even if it's just coach travel to away grounds, it's an unimaginatively massive footprint.  Even if you said "no Wales, no South West", it's still massive.

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40 minutes ago, bbfaz said:

We need to get away from this idea first and foremost.  Reserve teams further down the pyramid have consistently done no favours for anybody.  If you're in a league like the London League, reserves should be in the entry league with new teams and teams that don't have their act together.  Unfortunately, reserve teams are treated as such.  I think Skolars A had one or two decent seasons, Hemel had one brilliant one in the East and then complained it was too easy.  How can you expect teams that can't be consistent 

If you want a league with a "few strong ambitious community clubs", you need those clubs to be first teams and there needs to be some element of funding.  Even if it's just coach travel to away grounds, it's an unimaginatively massive footprint.  Even if you said "no Wales, no South West", it's still massive.

I meant first teams of the community clubs playing against the league one reserve teams

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