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31 minutes ago, shawy13 said:

As I was taking the Knockout Cup back today I took a list of winners off it for you. Unfortunately not all clubs have gone to the effort of having it engraved but this is what’s on it. 

The latter years this will be ‘A’ teams that have won as first teams moved to NWC/NCL leagues 

If if you are interested I will see if I can go look at the other trophies and get the info that’s on them. Unfortunately not many are in our cabinet this season. 

 

Dalton 51/52 

Dalton 52/53

Barrow St Marys 63/64

Millom 66/67

Millom 67/68

Ulverston 75/76

Barrow Island 76/77 

Barrow Island 77/78

Barrow Island 87/88

Walney 86/87

Dalton 88/89

Walney 90/91

Dalton 91/92 

Flookburgh Cobras 93/94

Millom 94/95

Walney 96/96

Walney 96/97

Hindpool Tigers 03/04

Hindpool Tigers 04/05

Walney 05/06

Ulverston 09/10

Ulverston 10/11

Hindpool Tigers 2017

Can’t believe teams can’t bother to get their name on the cup! They work hard enough to win it. 

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Is the same with the Manchester League Valentine cup - one of the oldest and most valuable trophies in Rugby League. I started collecting results from about 1987 but previous to that I had to take the names of the previous winners off the cup its self and there are many gaps. I had to make an appointment to go and see the trophy as it was held at the time in Manchester Police headquarters at Chester House. I believe it's in Salford town hall now. In recent years it was too valuable to insure the actual trophy to be awarded and a replica was awarded. The competition has been allowed to die now anyhow.

VALENTINE CUP ROLE OF HONOUR.

1901-02

St. Stephens

1939-45

No Competition

1902-03

Egerton

1945-46

Langworthy

1903-04

Egerton

1946-47

Langworthy

1904-05

Radcliffe Rangers

1947-48

Not Known

1905-06

Radcliffe Rangers

1948-49

Langworthy

1906-07

Egerton

1949-52

Not Known

1907-08

Radcliffe Rangers

1952-53

Salford Juniors

1908-10

Not known

1953-54

Salford juniors

1910-11

Cadishead & Irlam

1954-55

Not Known

1911-12

Flixton/Cadishead*

1955-56

Salford juniors

1912-13

Rylands Recreation

1956-57

Kearsley Juniors

1913-21

Not known

1957-58

Not Known

1921-22

Pendlebury

1958-59

Swinton Juniors

1922-23

Pendlebury

1959-60

Langworthy

1923-24

Oldham Healy Street

1960-61

Langworthy

1924-25

X11 Apostles

1961-62

Langworthy

1925-26

X11 Apostles

1962-63

Langworthy

1926-27

Swinton St. Peters

1963-64

Langworthy

1927-28

Seedley Rangers

1964-65

Langworthy

1928-29

Chloride Recs

1965-72

Not Known

1929-30

Chloride Recs

1972-73

Folly Lane

1930-31

Seedley Rangers

1973-74

Folly Lane

1931-32

Chloride Recs

1974-75

Folly Lane

1932-33

Chloride recs

1975-76

Folly Lane

1933-34

Pendlebury Juniors

1976-77

Folly Lane

1934-38

Not Known

1977-78

Folly Lane

1938-39

Langworthy/St. Peters*

 

 

*Indicates drawn game – trophy shared.

1978-79

Folly Lane 8 Langworthy 5

1979-80

Folly Lane 12 Salford juniors 0

1980-81

Langworthy 14 Irlam Hornets 2

1981-82

Langworthy 24 Irlam Hornets 9

1982-83

Irlam Hornets 19 Langworthy 2

1983-84

Eccles 19 Folly Lane 12

1984-85

Folly Lane 13 Langworthy 12

1985-86

Eccles Irlam Hornets - score unknown

1986-87

Eccles 8 Irlam Hornets 6

1987-88

Irlam Hornets 12 Langworthy 6

1988-89

Irlam Hornets 20 Salford juniors 18

1989-90

Irlam Hornets 15 Eccles 4

1990-91

Irlam Hornets 44 Langworthy 6

1991-92

Irlam Hornets 18 Folly Lane 14

1992-93

Irlam Hornets 26 Langworthy 10

1993-94

Irlam Hornets 13 Langworthy 10

1994-95

Eccles 18 Langworthy 14

1995-96

Eccles 22 Folly Lane 9

1996-97

Folly Lane 6 Eccles 2

VALENTINE CUP ROLE OF HONOUR continued.

1997-99

No competition

1999-00

Eccles 35 Folly Lane 8

2000-01

No competition

2001-02

Eccles 50 Folly Lane 0

2002-03

Eccles .v. Folly Lane – not played. Unable to agree venue and date.

2003-09

No competition

2009-10

Folly Lane 22 Irlam Hornets 20

2010-11

Folly Lane 18 irlam Hornets 10

2011-12

Eccles 26 Irlam Hornets 20

2012

No competition.

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When did the Cumberland amateur cup start? Does anyone have a list of finals? Why was it needed, when there were Cumbria & Cumberland cups? 

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17 minutes ago, Celtic Rooster said:

Cumberland and Westmorland were Counties for many years before Cumbria was dreamed up.

 

Bit of a history & geography lesson for me here! Don’t tell me there was a Westmorland cup also? Why amateur cup? To bring more to grass roots?

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1 hour ago, kev p said:

Bit of a history & geography lesson for me here! Don’t tell me there was a Westmorland cup also? Why amateur cup? To bring more to grass roots?

Interesting to ponder whether there was a Westmorland Cup. Westmorland never had as many population centres as Cumberland (in 1911 the county's entire population was less than 64,000), probably a factor in the former, historically, having fewer 'rugby' clubs. In The Roots of Rugby League, Trevor Delaney says in 1897-98 the Ambleside, Holme, Kendal, Kendal Hornets and Kirkby Lonsdale clubs all switched to the Northern Union. He adds that by 1906 there were so few non-Northern Union clubs in Cumberland and Westmorland the two counties' respective Rugby Unions decided to amalgamate. Sufficient Westmorland NU clubs for a Westmorland Cup?

To muddy the waters further, there was such a beast as the Cumbria Cup (sponsored for a time by BNFL), contested by Barrow, Carlisle, Whitehaven and Workington. It was a decent trophy, as I recall. Anybody know about the history of that competition? By the late 1980s, the Cumbria Cup was a pre-season tournament, with two semi-finals and a final.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Hopping Mad said:

Interesting to ponder whether there was a Westmorland Cup. Westmorland never had as many population centres as Cumberland (in 1911 the county's entire population was less than 64,000), probably a factor in the former, historically, having fewer 'rugby' clubs. In The Roots of Rugby League, Trevor Delaney says in 1897-98 the Ambleside, Holme, Kendal, Kendal Hornets and Kirkby Lonsdale clubs all switched to the Northern Union. He adds that by 1906 there were so few non-Northern Union clubs in Cumberland and Westmorland the two counties' respective Rugby Unions decided to amalgamate. Sufficient Westmorland NU clubs for a Westmorland Cup?

To muddy the waters further, there was such a beast as the Cumbria Cup (sponsored for a time by BNFL), contested by Barrow, Carlisle, Whitehaven and Workington. It was a decent trophy, as I recall. Anybody know about the history of that competition? By the late 1980s, the Cumbria Cup was a pre-season tournament, with two semi-finals and a final.

 

 

Still is a Cumbria cup and still contested by both Barrow and Cumbria league's, probably still the best comp to win   however the conference teams don't enter the comp or enter second team's which I find very disappointing.

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12 hours ago, Marauder said:

Some of the fictitious scores in the RLC we're for fictitious teams who never even crossed the start line at the start of the season, it was a ploy to boost the numbers of teams and players for sports England to gain a greater amount of funding, once the RFL got caught out with this, they ( sports England) reduced the funding,  another ploy was to count any player who played winter and summer as two players.

Shame they got caught out because the extra funding was doing a good job with development officers around the country.

 

On 8/14/2018 at 11:09 AM, Hopping Mad said:

They do. I'll add them shortly. May as well let everybody see them. Might jog a few useful memories!

The four FIM annuals also carry Carlisle & District League tables/results, if you're interested.

There was a fifth Cumbria Rugby League Annual, put together a few years later by a Whitehaven-based freelance (FIM - Bruce Foster, Alan Irving and Graham Mumberson - were all Cumbrian Newspapers, now CN Group, employees). Sure I have a copy somewhere in the loft. I'll see if I can locate it.

I’m interested in Carlisle & district detail from the annuals when you get time please

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10 hours ago, kev p said:

 

I’m interested in Carlisle & district detail from the annuals when you get time please

I did include C&DL tables/finals in the other stuff. Do you want a season-by-season list of the clubs and where they played?

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6 minutes ago, Hopping Mad said:

I did include C&DL tables/finals in the other stuff. Do you want a season-by-season list of the clubs and where they played?

Seen them now, sorry didn’t look properly! Thanks

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On ‎8‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 8:29 PM, kev p said:

When did the Cumberland amateur cup start? Does anyone have a list of finals? Why was it needed, when there were Cumbria & Cumberland cups? 

I don't know when it started but the amateur cup was for player that had only ever been amateur i.e. no ex-professionals who had returned to their amateur roots, or, as I understand happened for a while, played back at amateur clubs "under licence' from their professional club. Ex-pros could play in the Cumberland cup

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On 8/16/2018 at 5:25 PM, shawy13 said:

As I was taking the Knockout Cup back today I took a list of winners off it for you. Unfortunately not all clubs have gone to the effort of having it engraved but this is what’s on it. 

The latter years this will be ‘A’ teams that have won as first teams moved to NWC/NCL leagues 

If if you are interested I will see if I can go look at the other trophies and get the info that’s on them. Unfortunately not many are in our cabinet this season. 

 

Dalton 51/52 

Dalton 52/53

Barrow St Marys 63/64

Millom 66/67

Millom 67/68

Ulverston 75/76

Barrow Island 76/77 

Barrow Island 77/78

Barrow Island 87/88

Walney 86/87

Dalton 88/89

Walney 90/91

Dalton 91/92 

Flookburgh Cobras 93/94

Millom 94/95

Walney 96/96

Walney 96/97

Hindpool Tigers 03/04

Hindpool Tigers 04/05

Walney 05/06

Ulverston 09/10

Ulverston 10/11

Hindpool Tigers 2017

I would be interested in lists of Cumberland/Cumbria cups amateur cup. League/divisional cups & top 4 trophies also. For Cumberland/Cumbria/barrow & Carlisle leagues also! Not cups that were open cups not connected to the league. What Cup is the list above?

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On ‎8‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 5:57 PM, kev p said:

Can’t believe teams can’t bother to get their name on the cup! They work hard enough to win it. 

From my experience it was the organisation running the competition who had the cup engraved.

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On 13 August 2018 at 2:48 PM, Celtic Rooster said:

NB The Cumberland League did not include Barrow teams.

Cumbria/Cumberland League division 1.

Season

Champions

Runners up

1899-00

Workington

 

1900-01

Maryport (Workington)

 

1901-02

Seaton (Workington)

 

1902-03

Maryport (Workington)

 

1903-04

Parton (Whitehaven)

 

1904-05

Parton (Whitehaven)

 

1905-06

Whitehaven Recreation

 

1906-07

Millom (Barrow)

 

1907-08

Whitehaven Recreation

 

1908-09

Workington

 

1909-10

Broughton Moor (Workington)

 

1910-11

Workington

 

1911-12

Seaton (Workington)

 

1912-13

Seaton (Workington)

 

1913-14

Seaton (Workington)

 

1914-19

No competition

 

1919-20

Brookland Rovers (Cumbria)

 

1920-21

Unknown

 

1921-22

Broughton Moor (Workington)

 

1922-23

Brookland Rovers (Cumbria)

 

1923-25

Unknown

 

1925-26

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

 

1926-27

Dearham Wanderers (Workington)

 

1927-28

Dearham Wanderers (Workington)

 

1928-29

Whitehaven Recreation

 

1929-30

Great Clfton (Workington)

 

1930-31

Great Clfton (Workington)

 

1931-32

Glasson Rangers (Cumbria)

 

1932-33

Flimby (Workington)

 

1933-34

Dearham Wanderers (Workington)

 

1934-35

Kells (Whitehaven)

 

1935-36

Glasson Rangers (Cumbria)

 

1936-38

Unknown

 

1938-39

Glasson Rangers (Cumbria)

 

1939-73

Unknown

 

1973-74

Seaton Rangers (Workington)

 

1974-75

Maryport (Workington)

 

1975-76

Wath Brow Hornets (Whitehaven)

 

1976-77

Wath Brow Hornets (Whitehaven)

 

1977-78

Egremont Rangers (Whitehaven)

Kells (Whitehaven)

1978-79

Cumberland

Wath Brow Hornets (Whitehaven)

Lowca (Whitehaven)

Millom (Barrow)

Ellenborough Rangers (Workington)

1979-80

Cumberland

Millom (Barrow)

Lowca (Whitehaven)

Wath Brow Hornets (Whitehaven)

Maryport (Workington)

1980-81

Cumberland

Egremont Rangers (Whitehaven)

Kells (Whitehaven)

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

Maryport (Workington)

1981-82

Cumberland

Millom (Barrow)

Kells (Whitehaven)

Barrow Island

1982-83

Lowca (Whitehaven)

Kells (Whitehaven)

1983-84

Great Clfton (Workington)

Egremont Rangers (Whitehaven)

1984-85

Egremont Rangers (Whitehaven)

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

1985-86

Unknown

 

Cumbria/Cumberland League division 1 continued.

1986-87

Glasson Rangers (Cumbria)

 

Wath Brow Hornets (Whitehaven)

 

1987-88

Kells (Whitehaven)

 

Lowca (Whitehaven)

 

1988-89

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

 

Glasson Rangers (Cumbria)

 

1989-90

Kells (Whitehaven)

 

Glasson Rangers (Cumbria)

 

1990-91

Ellenborough Rangers (Workington)

 

 

 

1991-92

Ellenborough Rangers (Workington)

 

 

 

1992-93

Ellenborough Rangers (Workington)

 

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

 

1993-94

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

 

Ellenborough Rangers (Workington)

 

1994-95

Ellenborough Rangers (Workington)

 

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

 

1995-96

Ellenborough Rangers (Workington)

 

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

 

1996-97

Westfield (Workington)

 

 

 

1997-98

Wath Brow Hornets (Whitehaven)

 

 

 

1998-99

Ellenborough Rangers (Workington)

 

 

 

1999-00

Wath Brow Hornets (Whitehaven)

 

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

 

2000-01

Wath Brow Hornets (Whitehaven)

 

Ellenborough Rangers (Workington)

 

2001-02

Wath Brow Hornets (Whitehaven)

 

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

 

2002-03

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

 

Kells (Whitehaven)

 

2003-04

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

 

Seaton Rangers (Workington)

 

2004-05

Seaton Rangers (Workington)

 

Kells (Whitehaven)

 

2005-06

Seaton Rangers (Workington)

 

Kells (Whitehaven)

 

2006-07

Seaton Rangers (Workington)

 

Kells (Whitehaven)

 

2007-08

Ellenborough Rangers (Workington)

 

Kells (Whitehaven)

 

2008-09

Kells (Whitehaven)

 

 

 

2009-12

Unknown

 

 

 

2012

Kells (Whitehaven)

 

Distington (Workington)

 

2013

Cumberland

Walney Central (Barrow)

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

 

Distington (Workington)

Kells ‘A’ (Whitehaven)

 

2014

Cumberland

Walney Central (Barrow)

Kells ‘A’ (Whitehaven)

 

Maryport (Workington)

Aspatria Hornets (Cumbria)

 

2015

Cumberland

Distington (Workington)

Ellenborough Rangers (Workington)

 

Walney Central (Barrow)

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

 

2016

Cumberland

Distington (Workington)

Egremont Rangers ‘A’ (Whitehaven)

 

Barrow Island

Aspatria Hornets (Carlisle)

 

2017

Grand final

Cumberland

Grand final

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

Distington (Workington)

Kells ‘A’ (Whitehaven)

Egremont Rangers ‘A’ (Whitehaven)

 

10

 

24

Distington (Workington)

Hensingham (Whitehaven)

Aspatria Hornets (Cumbria)

Kells ‘A’ (Whitehaven)

 

  6

 

14

Looking at your table,Wath Brow left the Cumberland league and joined what was called the Cumbria Superleague in 78/79 winning it that year and finishing runners up to Millom the following year before returning to the Cumberland League the next season due to the amount of travelling up &down the coast road as they were the only team from Whitehaven/Workington in the league.

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7 hours ago, shawy13 said:

Barrow & District league knockout cup. 

Was it always known as barrow & district league cup? Or was it known under other names? Barton townley etc?

 

 

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As far as I’m aware its always been KO cup. Barton townley is something else but I might be wrong on that. 

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The Cumberland cup and the Cumberland amateur cup are two separate competitions according to the 1978/79 BARLA handbook. The amateur cup did not allow ex pros or permit players (Same with the Manchester League Valentine cup). The finals in the 1977/78 season were Cumberland cup Ellenborough 21 Egremont 15 and amateur cup Kells 14 Ellenborough 5. Egremont were the Cumberland league champions in 77/78 but the top 4 play off was a separate competition and Kells beat Egremont 19-9. As I have said before Barrow teams do not compete in the Cumberland league or it's cup competitions because Barrow was in Lancashire until 1972. The Barrow teams played for the knock out cup back then and this seems to have become known as the Barton Townley cup from the 1984-85 season so, my guess is Barton Townley is the name of the sponsor. At the same time the 'A' team knock out competition became known as the Harry Warman cup. The Cumbria cup was not implemented until the 1982-83 season and this included Barrow teams. Prior to that Barrow teams and Cumberland teams entered the Lancashire cup.

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