Bearman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I called into Tesco this morning. As I was waiting to cross the carpark into the store a car I didnt recognise crossed my path. On its side it had the words" Tesla Service Vehicle" it was certainly a nice looking car. It was this one in white https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/tesla/model-3 It just glided past me but was spookily quiet. I could not help but think of the potential danger to pedestrians who could be unaware of its presence. Ron Banks Midlands Hurricanes and Barrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 They aren’t that quiet! Quieter than a normal car but certainly not a “ghostly whisper” regardless follow the green cross code and you’ll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Tesla's look great. Musk is a genius/idiot in varying measures but the cars have great features. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Townie Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Not a Tesla, but the daughter in laws dad has just bought a Toyota hybrid. The battery charges when you brake or decelerate. He brought it round to show me and it was very quiet. Only sound when driving slowly was the tyres on the road. The more popular these cars become, the more pedestrians will have to pay attention. Jam Eater 1.(noun. jam eeter) A Resident of Whitehaven or Workington. Offensive. It is now a term of abuse that both towns of West Cumbria use for each other especially at Workington/Whitehaven rugby league derby matches. St Albans Centurions Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clogiron Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Bearman said: I called into Tesco this morning. As I was waiting to cross the carpark into the store a car I didnt recognise crossed my path. On its side it had the words" Tesla Service Vehicle" it was certainly a nice looking car. It was this one in white https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/tesla/model-3 It just glided past me but was spookily quiet. I could not help but think of the potential danger to pedestrians who could be unaware of its presence. They have been running a race at the TT for electric bikes and they too are 'spookily' quiet. One lap only,39 1/4 miles as that's all the relevant battery size can manage. The race has been won by Mugen which is a offshoot of Honda who have spent millions on development up against entries from such as Queen's University Belfast & Nottingham University, quite a level playing field I don't think! Tho they did set a lap of 100mph+ this year but it just sounds and seems wierd. Moto GP are having a electric class too at some European rounds next season also. For me scrap the silencers and bring back Castrol 'R', or even the 'stinkwheels' (2 strokes) in the minor classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearman Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, RidingPie said: They aren’t that quiet! Quieter than a normal car but certainly not a “ghostly whisper” regardless follow the green cross code and you’ll be fine I wear hearing aids and it was definitely quiet to me! Ron Banks Midlands Hurricanes and Barrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bearman said: I wear hearing aids and it was definitely quiet to me! Pardon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, Bearman said: I wear hearing aids and it was definitely quiet to me! Still the first 2 points of the green cross code are stop and look. Doubly so if you wear a hearing aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said: Tesla's look great. Musk is a genius/idiot in varying measures but the cars have great features. All of that, plus confidence trickster, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, JohnM said: All of that, plus confidence trickster, too. He has many hats. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 my mates cat has already been a victim of the leccy car revolution, they hide under cars and scoot off when the engine starts, she was reversed over without feline warning. see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denton Rovers RLFC Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 12 hours ago, Exiled Townie said: Not a Tesla, but the daughter in laws dad has just bought a Toyota hybrid. The battery charges when you brake or decelerate. He brought it round to show me and it was very quiet. Only sound when driving slowly was the tyres on the road. The more popular these cars become, the more pedestrians will have to pay attention. Shouldn't that be the other way around, why should the vulnerable change their behaviour so that people in big lumps of metal and plastic can go at whatever speed they like, whenever they like and everyone else has to get out the way or be more wary of? If drivers actually drove at slower speeds everywhere and thought more about and indeed respected other people's right to get where they are going and respect their safety (which you re lawfully bound to) then something like owning a quiet car is never going to be an issue. As it is the tyre noise is usually enough but I hate the fact that so many people make out that it's everyone else that has to change to take into account how those who are in killing machines go about their business. I've thought about getting one but they are ridiculously heavy and hence do not have a decent range unless you buy something that are inordinately expensive or pay an even larger sum of money for the 'big' battery or even heavier hybrid types. A Nissan Leaf for example is heavier than my '01 Passat Estate, it's not just the batteries either. My old MKII Astra weighed 880kg, even the BMW i3 which is a tiny thing is 1260kg in its 60Kw/h variant. It's the weight (and of course aerodynamics) that kill the range on EVs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Tesla drivers in the US tend to hide in the wind shadow of big trucks to reduce wind resistance and increase range. They also tend, it seems to drive slower than usual for the same reason. 50% of UK Tesla owners report problems with their inordinately expensive vehicles, way above the figure for any other make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I was looking at the Kona EV and the range is up to about 300 miles. Assuming that goes down to 200 on the motorway in the cold thats still more than the longest journey I've driven in over 2 years... Its got to the point where the range isn't a problem for me anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, JohnM said: Tesla drivers in the US tend to hide in the wind shadow of big trucks to reduce wind resistance and increase range. They also tend, it seems to drive slower than usual for the same reason. 50% of UK Tesla owners report problems with their inordinately expensive vehicles, way above the figure for any other make. Thats a fair point, I've heard tesla currently suffer hugely from reliability issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 25 minutes ago, JohnM said: Tesla drivers in the US tend to hide in the wind shadow of big trucks to reduce wind resistance and increase range. They also tend, it seems to drive slower than usual for the same reason. 50% of UK Tesla owners report problems with their inordinately expensive vehicles, way above the figure for any other make. Early adopters of any new technology always suffer a higher risk of problems, if people want a new gadget then they have to take the rough with the smooth. Musk's increasing Bond villain tendencies aside, I think it should be thoroughly recommended and supported as every new iteration of a Tesla car is less damaging on the environment in its creation and more efficient in how it uses power. The wider scale problem though comes from us simply not having the energy grid in the UK to service more than a small portion of cars converting to some sort of plug in power. The government, and not just ours it's a worldwide issue, are completely burying their head in the sand over this issue despite it being a genuine hope for reducing emissions, pollution and whole-economy energy use. The pollution problem alone is worth the effort in encouraging continued investment in electric vehicles but it's also whole-system more efficient as well. Per kW/h, a mile done on one of the most energy efficient diesel cannot match the worst performing plug-in electric car now for two reasons. Reason 1 is that the national grid is far more efficient at turning fuel into power than any car and reason 2 is that the electric engines are way more efficient these days than the first mass-production ones we saw. It's not even close when you look at whole-system energy use and then you also reduce the dependency we have on fossil fuels. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Musk should really stick to his disruptive approach to big projects, where he has a good record. Yes, there is a place for fat-walleted early adopters and eco-snobs. However, in my view, the macro benefits of electric cars will only be delivered when an all electric car in the Fiesta and Golf classes with a modest price premium is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, JohnM said: Musk should really stick to his disruptive approach to big projects, where he has a good record. Yes, there is a place for fat-walleted early adopters and eco-snobs. However, in my view, the macro benefits of electric cars will only be delivered when an all electric car in the Fiesta and Golf classes with a modest price premium is available. I think plug-in hybrids are the future if they can sort out the electric range. If they can get the range to 100 miles of commuter use, including with all normal stuff in the car activated, then it'll be a massive hit. The problem of the plug-in hybrids is that the electric range is naff THEN the range of the combustion engine is naff. My (self-paid) company car in the NHS was a Mitsubishi Outlander. I couldn't get 250 miles out of fully charged battery and full tank without severe compromise, I never got more than 270 miles. Compare that to my current 12 year old 5 series petrol BMW that I drove to Scotland (450 miles) and still had a quarter tank of fuel despite normal driving with the aircon on and the rest of the gadgets. If I had a Tesla (or other fully electric car) then I simply couldn't do a similar journey as I'd be on sparks (fumes?) just north of Newcastle with no place to do a quick pit-stop refuel and no realistic alternative unless I wanted to overnight at one of the very rare places with overnight charging facilities. If you had a good plug-in hybrid available with good range as a cheaper mass-market option then you could start to make every city centre electric only with the instant improvement in health and mortality rates. Set it with new cars being forced to electric in the boundaries and a ten year taper for old cars to adjust before they're banned completely. Motorways and rural roads could still be fossil fuel areas where the hybrid can recharge itself before the next town. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I too had an outlander PHEV for 3 years around town and commuting to work (16 miles each way in current job, 22 in the previous job) I got in excess of 70 mpg, on a long motorway run that dropped to 30-35 depending on how much of a hurry I was in. 100 miles on battery power would make it a much more useable vehicle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henage Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Lets take the tax payers contribution out of the equation . Everyone that runs an electric car also run a derv/petrol car . Until we get a massive improvement range wise for electric cars and the price comes down the working man and women wont be driving around in one for a good while . Im on a 50/50 blend of veg oil and derv in my T4 at the moment , when the price goes up I will go to 60/40 veg oil , runs well , fuel filter gets changed twice a year . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 44 minutes ago, ckn said: I think plug-in hybrids are the future if they can sort out the electric range. If they can get the range to 100 miles of commuter use, including with all normal stuff in the car activated, then it'll be a massive hit. The problem of the plug-in hybrids is that the electric range is naff THEN the range of the combustion engine is naff. My (self-paid) company car in the NHS was a Mitsubishi Outlander. I couldn't get 250 miles out of fully charged battery and full tank without severe compromise, I never got more than 270 miles. Compare that to my current 12 year old 5 series petrol BMW that I drove to Scotland (450 miles) and still had a quarter tank of fuel despite normal driving with the aircon on and the rest of the gadgets. If I had a Tesla (or other fully electric car) then I simply couldn't do a similar journey as I'd be on sparks (fumes?) just north of Newcastle with no place to do a quick pit-stop refuel and no realistic alternative unless I wanted to overnight at one of the very rare places with overnight charging facilities. If you had a good plug-in hybrid available with good range as a cheaper mass-market option then you could start to make every city centre electric only with the instant improvement in health and mortality rates. Set it with new cars being forced to electric in the boundaries and a ten year taper for old cars to adjust before they're banned completely. Motorways and rural roads could still be fossil fuel areas where the hybrid can recharge itself before the next town. Precisely. With Mitsubishi now being part of Nissault, or is it Rennan, there is considerable electric and hybrid experience in the group. The issue though is less one of design but of design-for-manufacture, low cost mass production, lifecycle management plus R and D into non-toxic lightweight mobile energy storage...for starters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 43 minutes ago, Shadow said: I too had an outlander PHEV for 3 years around town and commuting to work (16 miles each way in current job, 22 in the previous job) I got in excess of 70 mpg, on a long motorway run that dropped to 30-35 depending on how much of a hurry I was in. 100 miles on battery power would make it a much more useable vehicle When I had to go to a site in Colchester regularly, a 25 mile journey, this is the economy I'd get, 24 miles on pure battery and then a tiny bit of fuel to get me into the car park and onto their onsite 50kW charger system. I think that was the best I'd ever get, when I had to go to my usual sites beyond EV range then the fuel economy would drop heavily. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I am in favour is electric rather than gas cars. But, as a cyclist, I had to be extra aware of Audi's as they were quieter and BMWs because they were driven by BMW drivers. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bob8 said: I am in favour is electric rather than gas cars. But, as a cyclist, I had to be extra aware of Audi's as they were quieter and BMWs because they were driven by BMW drivers. Are you still in CPH.... I didn't think anyone could afford Audi's and BMW's out there because of the tax... everyone out there thought I was mega rich because I had an A4 when I was out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 33 minutes ago, RidingPie said: Are you still in CPH.... I didn't think anyone could afford Audi's and BMW's out there because of the tax... everyone out there thought I was mega rich because I had an A4 when I was out there Haha! I am right in the centre of Copenhagen. Just outside my window is a posh new Tesla and a rather old and tatty Renault. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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