Sign in to follow this  
Mr Plow

How to break the ‘Big 3’

Recommended Posts

Warrington have lost their 4th Grand Final now. How long before someone breaks the Saints, Leeds, Wigan cycle?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, Leeds will still be rebuilding next year and Wigan will be adjusting to life without some core players. Plus the remaining home-grown players will never not have had Wane in charge of at least some part of their development.

St Helens, on the other hand, should still be one of the strongest clubs. Extra beef up front, assuming Walmsley returns and hits top form and while Naiqama's no Ben Barba, he's an experienced, talented and committed player. Then their young players like Richardson will be a year older and (presumably) wiser.

Warrington are actually one of the better bets for a trophy in 2019. Can Catalans continue the McNamara revolution? Who knows...

Edited by Futtocks
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Well, Leeds will still be rebuilding next year and Wigan will be adjusting to life without some core players. Plus the remaining home-grown players will never not have had Wane in charge of at least some part of their development.

St Helens, on the other hand, should still be one of the strongest clubs. Extra beef up front, assuming Walmsley returns and hits top form and while Naiqama's no Ben Barba, he's an experienced, talented and committed player. Then their young players like Richardson will be a year older and (presumably) wiser.

Warrington are actually one of the better bets for a trophy in 2019. Can Catalans continue the McNamara revolution? Who knows...

Saints have also signed Coote for next year which should help take some load off Richardson with regards to kicking and organising. Add to that our young forwards (i.e. Lees, Ashworth, Knowles) all being more experienced and I'm feeling pretty positive about next year! 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The deadlock was starting to crack under licencing.  As soon as p&r was brought back it meant a return to the "big 3".

3 or 4 clubs will never worry about relegation, so can dominate the best signings from juniors on up.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Ant said:

The deadlock was starting to crack under licencing.  As soon as p&r was brought back it meant a return to the "big 3".

3 or 4 clubs will never worry about relegation, so can dominate the best signings from juniors on up.

But, given the current situation at Leeds and Wigan, next year represents a fantastic opportunity for a club with both the required playing/coaching quality and the big-match temperament. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think it's a coincidence that the 'big three' mentioned are regularly the top three in the academy table as well. Being able to depend on quality youngsters coming through allows you to better manage your salary cap, invest elsewhere, attract more talent down the line etc.

Having just one going down might help some of those clubs who have up to now chosen to spend elsewhere perhaps have second thoughts and choose to invest in youth, but I'll believe that when I see it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

It seems crazy that only 4 Clubs have won super league in 20 years.

Those clubs also dominated before hand. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Ant said:

Those clubs also dominated before hand. 

Leeds hadn’t won a title since 1972 when Super League started.

Bradford hadn’t won a title since 1981 when Super League started.  

Saints hadn’t won a title since 1975 when Super League started. 

Wigan were coming to the back end of their period of dominance when Super League ended. 

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Shouldn’t the OP be “How to be better than” - break implies that the big 3 have to be worse. But don’t we want everyone to be better than. 

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, The 4 of Us said:

Shouldn’t the OP be “How to be better than” - break implies that the big 3 have to be worse. But don’t we want everyone to be better than. 

Correct.

Or maybe we should start making Wigan, Saints & Leeds play with 12 men for 20 minutes of each game, or giving the other clubs a start on the scoreboard.

There's a very simple way to knock those 3 clubs off their perch, just play better than them.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Get rid of the Grand Final and you will get different Champions.

  • Haha 1
  • Confused 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Bod said:

Get rid of the Grand Final and you will get different Champions.

14 out of the last 20 league leaders being Saints, Wigan or Leeds would suggest it wouldn't be that much different.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
31 minutes ago, Bod said:

Get rid of the Grand Final and you will get different Champions.

No,don't think so.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

It seems crazy that only 4 Clubs have won super league in 20 years.

In comparison 6 teams have won the Premier League since 1992 and 9 teams have won the RU premiership since 1987

Edited by Mr Plow
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
44 minutes ago, Bod said:

Get rid of the Grand Final and you will get different Champions.

7 different League Leaders and 7 different Grand Finalists (Or 8 runners up if you include London in 1997)

 

Edited by Mr Plow

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

It seems crazy that only 4 Clubs have won super league in 20 years.

Same as the EPL if you exclude Leicester City.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would really like to see a new name on the Super League trophy but saying that... it was the 'big 4' and now it is the big 3 and so things do change (and sometimes quite dramatically as Bradford have shown).

Also, after a full regular season and then navigating the playoffs Hull FC, Castleford and Warrington have each been 80 minutes away from lifting the trophy.  Seven different finalists in what has been a 12 or 14 team competition doesn't sound terrible.

But I would love to see a Grand Final next year without Wigan, Saints or Leeds.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The last few years seemed to have an NRL Grand Final featuring at least one of Melbourne, Roosters, Canterbury or Manly.

We need more teams to start getting into the Grand Final but the NRL to a lesser extent has had the same issue.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yet one of these big 3 have finished in the bottom 4 twice in the last 3 seasons,and who knows if Hastings would have played for Salford against Leeds,Leeds could have been in mpg.

Leeds lose that and they are relegated,everybody would then be panicking,ssying how are we going to survive without Leeds in super league.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Jim Prendle said:

Correct.

Or maybe we should start making Wigan, Saints & Leeds play with 12 men for 20 minutes of each game, or giving the other clubs a start on the scoreboard.

There's a very simple way to knock those 3 clubs off their perch, just play better than them.

The play with twelve men for twenty minutes should have happened last night if the referee had any. 😀😀😀

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.


League Express Yearbook 2018/19 - Order Now


Rugby League World - Nov 2018

Rugby League World - Nov 2018



League Express - Online Now

League Express - Every Monday