graveyard johnny Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 if not it should have been, just put a bit of the Scotland v fiji ru game on today and seems everything from sin bins to blood bins has been copied to make the inferior code more attractive, take away the line outs and rucks and they will have stolen our whole game over the past 20 years. see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxmanc Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said: if not it should have been, just put a bit of the Scotland v fiji ru game on today and seems everything from sin bins to blood bins has been copied to make the inferior code more attractive, take away the line outs and rucks and they will have stolen our whole game over the past 20 years. I don't know about game procedures, but RU always seems to be keen on trademarking the use of certain words. The RFU has registered 'England Rugby' and the RFU Rose, which they use on their Sky Sports advertising. They've even registered 'England Rugby Hospitality'. I'd like to think that the RFL has a level of expertise in this area, but who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 copyright is a huge legal minefield, but we seem to have let them copy every part of our code to suit them without any fuss see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Did we create a whole new game in 1895? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Did we create a whole new game in 1895? No, just a governing body. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 When RU started their WC they called it the Rugby World Cup which was already being used by RL who did nothing about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamey Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mr Plow said: When RU started their WC they called it the Rugby World Cup which was already being used by RL who did nothing about it Ditto with .rugby domains, WR(U) now own the .rugby domain because nobody contested it, which would have dragged it to a tribunal, who probably would have ruled one joint ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, Mr Plow said: When RU started their WC they called it the Rugby World Cup which was already being used by RL who did nothing about it We called it the World Championship. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Prophet Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Padge said: We called it the World Championship. You know what Padge, I would start using that again. 2021 Rugby League World Championship. Sounds better than the World Cup for a start and is a great differentiator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said: You know what Padge, I would start using that again. 2021 Rugby League World Championship. Sounds better than the World Cup for a start and is a great differentiator. Cups are usually straight knockouts Championships are played in groups, it makes sense. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Padge said: Cups are usually straight knockouts Championships are played in groups, it makes sense. Does it? World Cup has a group and knockout stage. I think World Cup sounds better than World Championship as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 stone giant Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Padge said: Cups are usually straight knockouts Championships are played in groups, it makes sense. The football, rugby union, and cricket world cups, are not straight knockouts. The world snooker championship, Wimbledon tennis championship, Professional Darts world championship, aren't played in groups. Personally, I'd stick with calling it the Rugby League World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Wiganer Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 The rules, including 9s have been patented (if that is the right term - the sport asserts its IP rights). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Didnt the sin bin come from ice hockey? Don't forget , the RFL come up with good ideas that are ignored by the media until adopted by ru. Them the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wholly Trinity Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Patent law... that takes me back. AFAIK You can't patent a method of playing a game or doing business. https://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/html/guidelines/e/g_ii_3_5.htm You have to be fairly creative in protecting different aspects piecemeal. Protection is also time limited for most things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 10 hours ago, 17 stone giant said: The football, rugby union, and cricket world cups, are not straight knockouts. The world snooker championship, Wimbledon tennis championship, Professional Darts world championship, aren't played in groups. Personally, I'd stick with calling it the Rugby League World Cup. That was my bloody point. Your second group are not team sports. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 stone giant Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Padge said: That was my bloody point. Your second group are not team sports. Your point (or at least one of them) was that cups are usually straight knockouts. 19 hours ago, Padge said: Cups are usually straight knockouts All I did was point out that some of the most famous cups - football world cup, rugby union world cup, etc. are NOT straight knockouts. So, even if throughout all sports what you say is true - and I haven't researched it to find out if it is or not - it doesn't really matter, because people are perfectly used to a cup having group stages. Therefore, in my opinion, there is absolutely no reason why the rugby league world cup shouldn't continue using that name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, 17 stone giant said: Your point (or at least one of them) was that cups are usually straight knockouts. All I did was point out that some of the most famous cups - football world cup, rugby union world cup, etc. are NOT straight knockouts. So, even if throughout all sports what you say is true - and I haven't researched it to find out if it is or not - it doesn't really matter, because people are perfectly used to a cup having group stages. Therefore, in my opinion, there is absolutely no reason why the rugby league world cup shouldn't continue using that name. Did you miss the word usually. I am saying we got it right by calling it a championship originally. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 stone giant Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Padge said: Did you miss the word usually. I am saying we got it right by calling it a championship originally. No, I didn't miss it at all. I said that personally I haven't researched every sport and every competition, in order to know whether it's USUAL for a cup to be a knockout. Presumably you have done that research, because you confidently made the statement that they are. I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with you about it, because I don't know whether you're right or not. As I say, I haven't done the research myself. What I did was give you some high profile examples of cups that aren't knockouts, in order to try and illustrate that it really doesn't matter whether something is called a cup or a championship. Nobody is going to look at the rugby league world cup and think "this isn't a proper cup - it should be a championship. Cups are straight knockouts." That just isn't going to happen, so why worry either way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReaper Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Stanley Cup - 82 game season, 4 rounds of best-of-7 playoffs Grey Cup - 18 game season, 3 round of elimination playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, 17 stone giant said: No, I didn't miss it at all. I said that personally I haven't researched every sport and every competition, in order to know whether it's USUAL for a cup to be a knockout. Presumably you have done that research, because you confidently made the statement that they are. I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with you about it, because I don't know whether you're right or not. As I say, I haven't done the research myself. What I did was give you some high profile examples of cups that aren't knockouts, in order to try and illustrate that it really doesn't matter whether something is called a cup or a championship. Nobody is going to look at the rugby league world cup and think "this isn't a proper cup - it should be a championship. Cups are straight knockouts." That just isn't going to happen, so why worry either way? Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhw Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 23 hours ago, Mr Plow said: When RU started their WC they called it the Rugby World Cup which was already being used by RL who did nothing about it Are you sure about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 6:11 PM, graveyard johnny said: everything from sin bins to blood bins has been copied to make the inferior code more attractive I love a good blood bin me, it's what got me into RL I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, dhw said: Are you sure about this? We used "Rugby Legue World Cup" and the oficial title of the first one was "Rugby League World Championship", this followed what soccer had called their world cup. You play in the World Championship to be awarded the World Cup. It's semantics, but if you went to a court/tribunal these things would be taken into account. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 has the brand "rugby" ever been patented? see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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