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Surprised no mention of this. What do people think?

i went on Friday to oxford street. Impressed with dedication. Record breaking weather this weekend is a reminder of why, IMO, this is so important. 

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They seem relatively organised. Phase one is over and they now intend to seek opportunities to negotiate with government figures. I am not sure whether this is a plan which has emerged over the week, or was always the case.

Whether their motives are well intentioned or not, I am not sure that their initial remit of 'attempting to get as many members arrested as possible' is one that will meet mass approval.

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6 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

is one that will meet mass approval.

I think mass approval will change it's mind if the world ends!


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1 minute ago, Northern Eel said:

All this heated discussion can't be a good thing.... 😂

Quite right but it'll all end in tears you mark my words.


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43 minutes ago, Oxford said:

I think mass approval will change it's mind if the world ends!

Of course it will. But they will still blame remainers.

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seen it all before nothing will change until the people that have all the money see their money becoming less and they invest in  new technology.

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31 minutes ago, my missus said:

nothing will change

I don't think that's quite true any more


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1 hour ago, my missus said:

seen it all before nothing will change until the people that have all the money see their money becoming less and they invest in  new technology.

Nothing will change until we have a genuinely socialist/anarchist society which will require the overthrow of the capitalist/oligarchist  system,

 

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As a cyclist I love it, people not in motors can get past but there are alternative routes anyway. If we want to solve the problems then the allocation of space to motorists/motors and how we get about/move goods in towns and cities needs to change radically.

Police have acted against their sworn oaths/attestations, they didn't arrest any cabbies when they blocked the streets yet are only too eager to do so for certain groups, the usual made up bs 'act' is used as justification.

The power people have turned the country into a police state, make up rules try to control and beat down/supress the plebs, same throughout history.

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What are their actual solutions?

All I see is a lot of what they do not want but no plan to get to what they do want!

Despite being the 5th largest economy in the  world it has less than 1% of the CO2 emissions.

China and India increase their Co2 emissions more each year than the UK produces!  So if the UK turned EVERYTHING off tomorrow, ( all power stations, all cars busses and trains, all industry....) By Christmas it would have been pointless ( apart from UK falling into poverty and millions dying!)

I get the issue, but I am still waiting for someone to suggest an actual plan that does not result in millions of UK citizens dying!

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8 hours ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

Police have acted against their sworn oaths/attestations, they didn't arrest any cabbies when they blocked the streets yet are only too eager to do so for certain groups, the usual made up bs 'act' is used as justification.

I know several people who have taken part and been arrested (and in fact I believe one of the aims is to have lots of arrests.) They have all been pretty complimentary about the police and how they've been treated. As I said on the other thread, police officers generally aren't too keen on banging up people who like like their mum or gran.

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Would have been interesting to see how long they'd have lasted had it been pouring down!

Seems the Mets best friend, especially on bank holiday weekends is the rain!

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According to an Andrew Neil tweet, on Easter Sunday coal accounted for 0% of UK electricity produced.  He compared that with China where 75% of electricity was produced from coal on the same day.  Now obviously we didn't need any heating on during Easter Sunday and the Chinese may have been chilly and might use electricity for heating but even so that is a big disparity and examples like this make me wonder whether these protestors really have the right target.

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We shouldn't do anything because of China.  I mean we could do something about the country we do control?  I thought taking back control and sorting ourselves out before looking at others was in vogue right now?

Spend years deferring action, then say 'there's no point now...because Chine...or India...'

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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37 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

According to an Andrew Neil tweet, on Easter Sunday coal accounted for 0% of UK electricity produced.  He compared that with China where 75% of electricity was produced from coal on the same day.  Now obviously we didn't need any heating on during Easter Sunday and the Chinese may have been chilly and might use electricity for heating but even so that is a big disparity and examples like this make me wonder whether these protestors really have the right target. 

FFS. People should pressure the UK government because they are OUR government. Sitting around saying "other countries are worse" is pointless distracting whataboutism. People should control what they can control, influence what they can influence. We influence our government and they have some influence, albeit reducing because of our current position of international embarrassment, over other nations.

Our country has been responsible for much more historic emissions than China, which got us here in the first place, so should be at the very forefront of tackling this issue. Instead, the current administration, freed from their obligations to the LibDems, have massively cut back on schemes to reduce carbon emissions.

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There is no planet B.

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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2 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

We shouldn't do anything because of China.  I mean we could do something about the country we do control?  I thought taking back control and sorting ourselves out before looking at others was in vogue right now?

Spend years deferring action, then say 'there's no point now...because Chine...or India...'

Who has said that?  Not me, that's for sure.  However, unlike some on here I prefer balance rather than rhetoric.  We ARE doing something and have been doing something for years now.  Our emissions are down 40% plus since 1990 according to reports and that includes a 20% plus reduction since 2010 so it wasn't just Labour doing the work.  We produce 1% of all carbon emissions.  The push for electric vehicles is ongoing although obviously more work needs to be done and obviously alternative sources of electricity are required before such a change has a real impact.  After all, no point in having electric vehicles if much of the electricity provided to those vehicles comes by way of fossil fuels.  Maybe cutting down on our electricity usage would help but with technology being such a big part of life that doesn't look like happening anytime soon.  We also need to look towards the environmental (and human) cost of things like batteries but I can't see people giving up their mobile phones anytime soon either!

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3 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

We shouldn't do anything because of China.  I mean we could do something about the country we do control?  I thought taking back control and sorting ourselves out before looking at others was in vogue right now?

Spend years deferring action, then say 'there's no point now...because Chine...or India...'

No one on here has said that.  Unless of course you know differently.  


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4 hours ago, GeordieSaint said:

So no wonder the UK element is concentrating on UK issues.

No. You need to ask why THESE MONEYED HYPOCRITES are not having a go at foreigners.


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10 hours ago, Saintslass said:

According to an Andrew Neil tweet, on Easter Sunday coal accounted for 0% of UK electricity produced.  He compared that with China where 75% of electricity was produced from coal on the same day.  Now obviously we didn't need any heating on during Easter Sunday and the Chinese may have been chilly and might use electricity for heating but even so that is a big disparity and examples like this make me wonder whether these protestors really have the right target.

Ah yes, the old 24 hours without burning coal, well done us. FFS they need to burn coal simply to keep things ticking over for one thing but when it is burned it's still 4 days out of 5 over the whole year we are burning coal at, last year coal accounted for 15 TWh of electricity produced., during the winter the UKs electricity is 45% from fossil fuels and as we speak 6% of our electricity comes from abroad/exports.

Really it's nothing to brag about. Oh and when we get the increases in electricity requirement due to fat overweight EVs needing to be charged up it wouldn't surprise me if coal burning goes back up again, DRAX 5 and 6 being changed to gas will be put off for quite a few years IMHO.

instead of forcing through the so called 'SMART' meters at a cost of best part of a billion quid that could have been put to better use. Instead of spending on nuclear/fracking we could have invested in other sources, wave and tidal for one. Wave can be as cheap as Wind turbine and located where we are we should be utilising this far more than we do. The plans for a tidal barrage at the Severn reckoned about 6% of total UK energy requirement (despite the downsides of tidal in its frequency/consistency) at a cost of putting on the 2012 Olympic games but Gordon Brown basically put a big two fingers up to that. A barrage at the Humber and other locations would have made a significant dent in our requirements.

Every home, every building, particularly public should have solar on them and each home having its own battery. My folks in Hull had solar panels installed 15 years ago and today it paid them £4, yes in the winter and on grey days it's not a huge amount, but this is why we need a balance of different types of energy production.

However one of the things we need to look at is how individuals get about, in some cities in Europe people get about by bike at around 45%, overall in the Netherlands excluding children (who cycle to school in massive numbers) the modal share for transport is 26-27%, in the UK it's barely 2%. We pee away money on roads which do squat, train lines that are a ridiculous failure cost benefit ratio wise and even in london the capacity of crossrail is less than half the people on bikes currently cycling in the capital, it'll be full to capacity before 2025. 

 If the same money spent on crossrail had been spent of cycling infrastructure, removing motor roads and putting in direct and wide cycling lanes in a proper cycle motorway it would IMHO have increased cycling by a 1000%, massively outstripping any other mode of transport to get people about and at a massively less cost.

The government are obsessed with Electric vehicles, yet ignore the costs of having charging points and even more land snatched for motorists use. Ignore that EVs will still kill and maim, ignore that people will still be obese due to inactivity not to mention the multiple other downsides to EVs. They ignore that something as simple as the humble bicycle can not just save tens of billions on the NHS but also save tens of thousands of lives not just in premature deaths due to respitory issues and obesity/diabetes but also that it improves quality of life not just for the persons cycling but those around them AND it also reduces the number of motor deaths and serious injuries massively.

Whilst cycling isn't going to work for everyone (though people with disabilities are being encouraged to cycle with.without electric assist), whilst in some situations it's not feasible it can and does work in some situations that are currently being used by polluting machines.

I've suggested that when/if the company I work for decide to go with EVs to deliver the meals to our vulnerable/less able in our community (we already have them at one of our other sites) that we have an electric assist bike for our very local deliveries.

personally if it was down to me I'd simply have the heated meal delivery box on some sort of small trailer and I'd do the local one myself. It won't be acceptable to the big bosses anyways and they, like most people only see the difficulties in extreme weather conditions.

There's a ton we can do, but those in power simply do not want to make the changes, they aren't interested in what's best for the country as a whole and frankly neither do the majority of the population, they're happy with how they go about their lives and it's everyone else's problem

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6 hours ago, gingerjon said:

No. You need to ask why THESE MONEYED HYPOCRITES are not having a go at foreigners.

1. Respect for the rule of law. None of us can choose which laws we obey and which ones we don't.

2. Take personal responsibility for their actions.. They knowingly break the law, they suffer the consequences

3. Their actions result in  negative consequences for others, those others are therefore entitled to use the law to get recovery from them.

4. What is your problem with foreigners?  

5. If these playground protesters were really serious about making a difference, they would be taking their protests to the worlds biggest and worst polluters. The return on their time and money would have an effect several orders of magnitude greater than it will here, given the huge steps already being taken here. 

6. Ah! the old mantra: Do as I say, not do as I do. 

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16 minutes ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

Ah yes, the old 24 hours without burning coal, well done us. FFS they need to burn coal simply to keep things ticking over for one thing but when it is burned it's still 4 days out of 5 over the whole year we are burning coal at, last year coal accounted for 15 TWh of electricity produced., during the winter the UKs electricity is 45% from fossil fuels and as we speak 6% of our electricity comes from abroad/exports.

Really it's nothing to brag about. Oh and when we get the increases in electricity requirement due to fat overweight EVs needing to be charged up it wouldn't surprise me if coal burning goes back up again, DRAX 5 and 6 being changed to gas will be put off for quite a few years IMHO.

instead of forcing through the so called 'SMART' meters at a cost of best part of a billion quid that could have been put to better use. Instead of spending on nuclear/fracking we could have invested in other sources, wave and tidal for one. Wave can be as cheap as Wind turbine and located where we are we should be utilising this far more than we do. The plans for a tidal barrage at the Severn reckoned about 6% of total UK energy requirement (despite the downsides of tidal in its frequency/consistency) at a cost of putting on the 2012 Olympic games but Gordon Brown basically put a big two fingers up to that. A barrage at the Humber and other locations would have made a significant dent in our requirements.

Every home, every building, particularly public should have solar on them and each home having its own battery. My folks in Hull had solar panels installed 15 years ago and today it paid them £4, yes in the winter and on grey days it's not a huge amount, but this is why we need a balance of different types of energy production.

However one of the things we need to look at is how individuals get about, in some cities in Europe people get about by bike at around 45%, overall in the Netherlands excluding children (who cycle to school in massive numbers) the modal share for transport is 26-27%, in the UK it's barely 2%. We pee away money on roads which do squat, train lines that are a ridiculous failure cost benefit ratio wise and even in london the capacity of crossrail is less than half the people on bikes currently cycling in the capital, it'll be full to capacity before 2025. 

 If the same money spent on crossrail had been spent of cycling infrastructure, removing motor roads and putting in direct and wide cycling lanes in a proper cycle motorway it would IMHO have increased cycling by a 1000%, massively outstripping any other mode of transport to get people about and at a massively less cost.

The government are obsessed with Electric vehicles, yet ignore the costs of having charging points and even more land snatched for motorists use. Ignore that EVs will still kill and maim, ignore that people will still be obese due to inactivity not to mention the multiple other downsides to EVs. They ignore that something as simple as the humble bicycle can not just save tens of billions on the NHS but also save tens of thousands of lives not just in premature deaths due to respitory issues and obesity/diabetes but also that it improves quality of life not just for the persons cycling but those around them AND it also reduces the number of motor deaths and serious injuries massively.

Whilst cycling isn't going to work for everyone (though people with disabilities are being encouraged to cycle with.without electric assist), whilst in some situations it's not feasible it can and does work in some situations that are currently being used by polluting machines.

I've suggested that when/if the company I work for decide to go with EVs to deliver the meals to our vulnerable/less able in our community (we already have them at one of our other sites) that we have an electric assist bike for our very local deliveries.

personally if it was down to me I'd simply have the heated meal delivery box on some sort of small trailer and I'd do the local one myself. It won't be acceptable to the big bosses anyways and they, like most people only see the difficulties in extreme weather conditions.

There's a ton we can do, but those in power simply do not want to make the changes, they aren't interested in what's best for the country as a whole and frankly neither do the majority of the population, they're happy with how they go about their lives and it's everyone else's problem 

those in power simply do not want to make the changes, they aren't interested in what's best for the country as a whole and frankly neither do the majority of the population, they're happy with how they go about their lives and it's everyone else's problem

I don't have the time for a more detailed response  but I do take issue with the quoted phrase. It's arrant nonsense.


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