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#3305556 an Oxford lad's first superleague experience

Posted by iffleyox on 04 April 2016 - 08:22 PM

On the face of it, I probably shouldn't like rugby league. I'm southern, went to public school, and have been a union fan all my life.


But league was always there - occasionally on the TV when you went to turn on Grandstand and there was something on that wasn't "proper" rugby but seemed to have an attraction all of it's own.


I happened to be living in Oxford when Oxford RL started, went to the first match, and soon had a season ticket. So I decided it was time to go to a top flight match, aged 35. 


A friend and I went up north in search of this other rugby at the weekend - and found ourselves at Belle Vue... You know what? It was awesome. I know enough about RL to know that this is not a term which has been used in the same sentence as the words Wakefield and Trinity for a while, but it really was. 


We went to a pub in the city beforehand, the social club next to the ground after, then back to the first pub, and everyone fell over themselves to make us really welcome. We were pretty obviously not normal fans, but the number of people who bought us a pint for getting on a train from London at 0530 just to go to Wakefield started to get embarrassing (in a good way).


Anyway, I loved every single minute of it and am already plotting the next trip up there. I'm sure everyone remembers their first trip to a match (not counting the expansion clubs). I wonder how many do it at 35. The only downside is that I'm pretty sure I'm now stuck with being a Wakey fan. Good. Roll on the next visit.

#3320701 The future ain't what it used to be !

Posted by John Drake on 29 April 2016 - 09:32 AM

It's the year 2020 and the new RL Season is about to start. Coventry, Toulouse and Toronto are all in Super League. Hull KR, Wakefield and Widnes are firmly entrenched in the Championship.


Do I go and watch my team play these new upstarts ? But if I do, what about the atmosphere ? I can count them already; Coventry 43 fans, Toulouse 22 fans, and Toronto 37 (friends and family of the 8 English players in their team).


Do I miss that atmosphere with the 2,000-3,000 away fans from the three clubs now in the Championship ? You bet I do !


Furthermore Coventry away on a Friday night - I don't think I will get to that one ! Toulouse and Toronto away in February or March - no chance of the possibility of a nice sunny holiday around then then, and that's if I could afford the airfares to Toronto !


What we generally have in SL at the moment is a unique situation where I can get to most grounds within about an hours drive from my house, and of course, so can many other fans.


Why start throwing all this away by expanding outside the traditional heartlands ?


I want to see my team playing with a majority of local players, as this gives them and I local identity.


With expansionism we lose this uniqueness which makes RL so great.


We are at a cross-roads, which road do you really want to turn down ?


It depends what you're happy to settle for.


If you're happy with a sport with a small geographical footprint that makes it easy for you, but results in zero national press coverage, insignificant sponsorship deals, declining TV coverage and the best players leaving to earn higher salaries elsewhere, then fine, stick with what we've got.


But just imagine for a moment if the founders of the Northern Union and those who followed them had been as unambitious for this sport as you appear to be. We'd never have the Challenge Cup played at Wembley (too far), we'd never have any international games because the pioneers in places like Australia and France would have been starved of support or competition from the outset and, well, we probably wouldn't have a sport at all because y'know, breaking away from rugby union was a bit risky in the first place. 


Your post, for me, in a nutshell sums up why Rugby League is where it is.


Expansion doesn't have to be an either/or choice. We can have strong grassroots as well as taking our sport to new audiences.

#3135069 I discovered Rugby League at the age of 48

Posted by Somerset Casual on 04 June 2015 - 06:21 PM

First Post (deep breath) after several months lurking on the forum.


After 20+ years in the midlands and a further 20+ in the south west, I discovered Rugby League.

Actually, I knew it existed, but it never got my attention - football came first, followed by a bit of motor sport, tennis and even cricket.


However, my work mate kept going on and on about how great it was.  He is Somerset born and bred, but had northern relations so attended gamed from a young age. He has avidly followed the game since then, taking in a few games a season.


His persistence resulted in me agreeing to go to the 2009 Challenge Cup Final – but I thought I was safe - surely he will never get tickets ?   But he did – and what a bargain price they were.

So I resigned myself to watching a sport I knew nothing about; but at least it’s a day out in London, and a trip to Wembley.


So to the game itself  - and I was pleasantly surprised.  This is quite good, I thought.   Can we come back next year ?  Well we did, and each year since. And now I push him to get the tickets nice and early to make sure we get them. And we’ve introduced a third person – turns out he has relatives in some place called Cas.


Now I’ve got to be honest – Football remains my number one sport  (that’s lost a few readers, no doubt), but RL has leapt over my other sporting interests and I’ve gradually extended my viewing experience beyond that one game a season.  Now call me a glory hunter or RL tourist, but I do enjoy ‘an event’.  We went to some RLWC games in 2013, while in 2014 took in the CCF, GF and Magic.  In addition we do go to Broncos on a semi regular basis.  (London is easier for us than the north).


Last weekend I watched local side Somerset Vikings play Cheltenham in the West of England league. Thoroughly enjoyed it – what was lacking in quality was more than made up for in effort and enthusiasm.  And It’s good to have something to watch in sleep Somerset.


So that’s it. I apologise for not being a die hard, go every week, live in the heartlands supporter.

But I’m delighted to have eventually discovered the game, even in my casual mode.

#3253786 RL in Vichy France

Posted by Cliff Spracklen on 03 January 2016 - 10:33 AM

Is Cliff Spracklen on the forum these days?

Thanks for the question. John I recall you coming to the Stanningley clubhouse when Bramley were looking after Robert Fassolette, who was responsible for the initial research on Vichy and Rugby League. Robert had brought his French Wheelchair RL to the UK for the first time having effectively created the sport in his professional role as Education Advisor on Disability and Sport. We found teams for the French to play against, the first being the Cleckheaton Cardinals Wheelchair Basketball team under Malcolm Kielty, now honoured for his tremendous work in establishing Wheelchair RL (not to be confused with Wheelchair Rugby).

But to set the context Robert was taking on a new challenge having led the pressure group XIII Actif.  Robert was Chair of the Association which comprised several key figures in French RL from Lezignan, Villeneuve, X111 Catalan, St. Martin de Crau, Roanne and many more. I was the sole UK member, being then Chair of the RL Supporters Association.

We secured media coverage in the French national press.  I myself had a full page article in The Guardian, very unusual, on the whole subject. We lobbied the French Government and on a visit to the European Parliament with Robert we met Lurent Fabius, now French Prime Minister, who was a "sympathisant".  We met the then French Sports Minister Marie Georges Buffet, who promised action. This was at the same time as the French Union of Jewish Students was lobbying for investigation into the Vichy Government role in rounding up and transporting Jews, Communists, Gypsies and others to concentration camps and death.

We always stressed that there were more heinous crimes committed by Vichy than the banning of RL. Nevertheless it was part of the same mindset and process and needed to be put right.

Some further investigation by a Government academic was carried out confirming the discrimination against RL. i never saw the report. It was allegedly sent to the then Chair of the French RL Federation, Jean-Paul Ferre. He was the least popular President of alltime and was hostile to both Robert Fassolette and X111 Actif. I wrote to him asking why and received a most bizarre reply. He certainly did not want to rock the boat, accusing us of doing just that. But to my knowledge he did not circulate the report. Happily he stood down the following year and was replaced by a more enlightened Chair.

I suspect at the time, though I have no evidence, that French RL benefitted for a period with extra funding from Government, eg for the French Tour to Australia, and various development officer posts.

But since then French RL has enjoyed a better relationship and been regarded positively by French Governments, for example for in its social and development work in disadvantaged areas of greater Paris.

Indeed former Toulouse Chair, Carlos Zalduendo, now French RL Federation Chair was invited to accompany French President Francois Hollande to Australia. Ironically one of those making positive noises some years ago was French Sports Minister Bernard Laporte, previously French national RU coach.

As sport in France is perceived as something that Government should take a strong interest in, all sports receive government funding, via the various national, regional and local structures. This has been affected by more difficult general economic conditions in recent years, but is still crucial. Of course French RU now a major business, benefitting from megabucks from its commercial partners.

So I suppose it might be less worried about any reopening of the Vichy wounds. I took much satisfaction at penning an Early Day Motion for David Hinchcliffe MP, some years ago condemning the Vichy regime and its' collaborationist allies, the French RU, for banning French RL during the War.

I was even more delighted that it was presented before Parliament the very week that France was playing in the RU World Cup Final at Cardiff.

French fascists and Vichy embraced the Nazi philosophy of sport which opposed professionalism, so RL was caught up in that view, but the motives for French RU in its' collaborration was mercenary , in seeing an opportunity to get rid of a rival code, that was rapidly overtaking it in popular appeal.

What might happen now with the latest investigation is uncertain. But the treatment of RL, as suggested previously, would not be near the top of the list. However RL is in a much better place in France compared with the pre-X111 Actif era. The latest manifestation has been the announcement that Robert Fassolette must be delighted with, is that PE Teachers can now have a RL specialisation for working in schools. This was never allowed previously. You could specialise in any sport other than RL. So quite a breakthrough this year.

French RL still has many problems, not least the state of the Elite competition, and the uncertainty after all these years of whether France will finally have its' second SL club, promised in 1994, assuming Toulouse make it through the divisions. But it is at least not having to cope with a hostile Government.

Apologies for those who prefer one liners or short quips! But you did ask!

#3326472 Bears break the 1000 barrier.

Posted by Bearman on 08 May 2016 - 06:18 PM

The attendance at the Coventry Bears v Keighley today was 1097.
The scoreline flattered Keighley because it was only in the last few minutes that they pulled away. There was only 4 points in it until late in the game.
Speaking to the punters after the game the feedback was really positive and hopefully we can build on that.
The key is to carry on building slow but sure.

#3184140 Lizzie

Posted by Padge on 29 August 2015 - 09:42 PM

They say you have to be brave to go out on a rugby field, this is one of the bravest performances on a rugby field I have ever seen.


Brave, superb, well done.







#3259497 Update on my situation

Posted by Phil on 18 January 2016 - 09:11 PM

Well things look to be on the up for my family and me. My anxiety attacks have pretty much disappeared thanks in no small part to the support I've had from you guys on this board. I can honestly say I've had dozens of messages offering help, advice or just an opportunity to vent.

I won't name names, but it's quite humbling when you get messages from people you've disagreed with fundamentally over various issues but who are still concerned for your welfare.

My son is on the up again and looks more like his old self. He's sharing a house with another ex serviceman and he's doing ok.

I've joined a new band and we hope to be gigging towards the end of February.

I've also got to say my wife has been an absolute rock during this trying time.

Anyway thanks to everyone who helped/listened to my ranting it genuinely helped, but then we're Rugby League people that's what we're like.

#3242996 Burgess trials with nfl club

Posted by B rad on 04 December 2015 - 04:00 AM

Great. Another rugby league player decideds to waste his talent sitting on a sideline in another code, waiting for the possibility of getting a few seconds on the field so the media can tout him as an amazing success story and encourage more of our elite to follow his footsteps.


Getting so sick of this ######. Why is playing League not good enough for our elite players? Why do they feel they have to prove themselves in other sports? Our "good for you mate go get em over there" pat on the back mentality when ever they leave doesn't help. It seems so many Rugby League fans are always so happy when our best players go off to play another sport. What kind of fan are you if your excited to see our best players playing other sports? Not a very good one.


It all comes down to money and profile. The money situation is getting better in Australia at least (not sure about England?) we are starting attract bigger sponsorship deals. Profile wise we need to start talking our game up more. Start advertising ourselves as the toughest team sport in the world. Most likely it is, with the combination of endurance, impact and add multifaceted skills there is no reason we should be leaking our talent to other sports and not attracting any. If you want to challenge yourself as an athlete the NRL should be on top of the list. Not the other way around.


Its a shame. England are building to become a real threat internationally. They need their Tom Burgess's playing league at the moment. This era we are currently in could be a turning point for the game in England if they can keep their depth and talent. They almost have the players they need to break the hoodoo and start winning international tournaments and bring the profile of league up a few notches. What more of a challenge could you need as a player? It should be an exciting time for English Rugby League players. It should be something they are desperate to be apart of. The first English team to win something big internationally in many years. What a shame some of the players don't see it that way.

#3429881 How the game is spreading

Posted by TheLegendOfTexEvans on 02 November 2016 - 09:23 PM

It always interesting when you see a map of Rugby League clubs across Europe to see how social media, you tube,EU and cheap flights have spread the game.




#3382354 Gone all quiet in Manchester, any news?

Posted by Manchester Rangers on 12 August 2016 - 04:27 PM

Good afternoon! Firstly, allow me to introduce myself. I am Nick Holt, the Community Development Manager for Manchester Rangers RLFC.  


There are many parts of this thread intriguing and many more parts that make me feel like I need to put the record straight – at least from a Manchester Rangers point of view. 


Great to see Mancunians RL and Manchester Rangers doing so well. As has been mentioned on here a thousand times RL needs a strong Manchester club and one which should be aiming to enter Championship One and long term get to SL. Are either of these clubs planning to apply anytime soon? In my view a Manchester club in SL is just as important as a Toronto or Toulouse.


I will start with the OP! Manchester Rangers have made no secret about the club’s intentions of becoming a professional club in the near future and we believe – as we have done for a significant amount of time – that both the City of Manchester and the club are ready for a professional licence sooner, rather than later.


I don’t know how much the members of this forum and in particular, this thread, are aware of the set up that we have here at Rangers but here is a brief overview;


Whilst playing at an amateur level, the entirety of the club operates a professional set up. Manchester Rangers RLFC is a Limited Company registered in England and Wales (much like the Wigan’s & Saints of the world) and has a fantastic board of directors who have been working extremely hard over the last few years to ensure that the club is in the position that it currently operates at today.

The directors are extremely passionate about the sport, the club and the city of Manchester and between them boast significant experience in both business and sport in general.


Our Community Department operate as a Community Interest Company (Manchester Rangers RLFC CIC) which is a not for profit organisation that operates across the city of Manchester and the wider area with the core value of “Raising Aspirations through Sport, Education and Health”.


As I mentioned earlier the directors have been working extremely hard over the last few years to ensure that the club is a sustainable organisation (just like any other business should be – we operated at a profit in 2015 and are set to do the same in 2016) and this has also included putting together a formal proposal for our application for a professional licence.


The men and women behind the club are not stupid and they are certainly not naïve. They know the importance of ensuring that the club, as well as the sport in our area is sustainable in order for either to succeed. As Rugby League fans, we have all seen the downfalls of unsustainability at club’s and this isn’t something that a strong Manchester club such as ourselves are prepared or willing to replicate.


That's very timely. An update from Mancunians:

We're just about to launch our activity Hubs in North and South Manchester and Wythenshawe with East and Central Manchester to follow in the Autumn. These Hubs will all follow the same model; activity with primary and secondary schools and then transferring those participants into a club environment in the geographical areas.

Our focus for the next few years is at community level. Our current position is that Manchester is not ready and will not be ready for the next few years for a professional team if we want it to survive. There currently isn't the demand for Rugby League in Manchester. Mancunians' long term goal is to be a professional club but we are focussing on creating a sustainable club in the medium term and creating demand by recruiting people to participate in our core sports; Rugby League, Touch Rugby, Wheelchair Rugby, Handball and Dodgeball.

We have a 20:20 vision of having 1,000 people participating under the Mancunians banner in our core sports by the year 2020 and we are already ahead of where we want to be at this point.

We've just begun discussions with a landlord to create a sustainable facility that the sport of Rugby League will have a long term tenure on which will give Mancunians and the sport of Rugby League a long term, year round income instead of being just one tennant of many occupying an unnecessary stadium.

We're the only Rugby League club that works in all areas of Manchester; the only Rugby League club in Manchester that is focussed on engaging people in a long term plan; and the only Rugby League club that has a long term plan for the whole of the city.

We're devoting most of our efforts to deliver a sustainable Rugby League club for Manchester. Don't be distracted by league placings. Players and coaches can be bought but structure and sustainability takes time.

Lots more detail at: www.wearemancunians.com


There are certain elements of this dialogue I am going to bite my tongue with for the purposes of professionalism, coupled with the fact that this isn’t a platform for a slanging match.


Mancunians have some fantastic ideas of how to develop their club and I personally believe that it would be great to see both Manchester Rangers and Mancunians – as a multisport club – thriving with a high level of participation and a strong community presence across Manchester.


As a passionate fan of our sport, I am devoted to the game on many levels. My love of the game originated from the Willows watching Salford Reds with my old man followed by playing as a junior and fortunately as an academy player in my mid to late teens. I have been involved in Rugby League Development for the best part of ten years in one capacity or another including at Professional clubs.

With all of that said I personally find the following statement; Our current position is that Manchester is not ready and will not be ready for the next few years for a professional team if we want it to survive. There currently isn't the demand for Rugby League in Manchester.” an insult to the hard work of the members of staff of the many organisations that coordinate the development of Rugby League in Manchester.


It also goes against everything that the ‘Manchester Rugby League Development Group’ that was formed in 2015 to ensure a coordinated approach to the development of Rugby League in Manchester stands for. A group which includes Mancunians RL as well as Manchester Rangers, Salford Red Devils Foundation, The RFL, the Manchester School Games Coordinator, and various Manchester Schools Representatives such as heads of PE departments etc.


I would go as far as saying that the game has never had a stronger presence in the confines of the city as it does now. Participation within the school environment has never been as high as it is currently; Manchester St Peters High School have been crowned National Girls Champions Schools Winners on various occasions over the last 5 years – and hopefully again this year with two age groups contesting the final in London on the eve of this year’s Challenge Cup Final. Wright Robinson College have been playing regularly in the Salford Schools League with Boys Year 7 and Year 11 crowned champions. Year 10 boys were runners up after a well contested final. There are 5 accredited ‘England Rugby League Player Development Schools’ (Manchester St Peters, Wright Robinson College, Cedar Mount Academy, Trinity CofE High School & Manchester Health Academy) an investment by members of PE department staff attending CPD (in their own time) for the benefit of their pupils and Rugby League in Manchester.


We have two Universities that boast over 100 registered players between them regularly competing in Bucs fixtures for their respective University’s – both of whom have invested heavily into their facilities. The University of Manchester are in the process of installing a full size pitch at the Armitage centre suitable for Rugby League and Manchester Metropolitan University have clear aspirations to become the best University for Rugby League in the country and have invested heavily in facilities (including Platt Lane – Formerly Manchester City Academy Training Centre – With RL pitch being installed). Rugby League is a priority sport at MMU which has seen the organisation invest heavily in their performance pathway which includes scholarships (they also have Championship players in their squad).


Manchester City Council have invested to the tune of £16,000,000 into a facility at Belle Vue Sports Village which includes two community pitches suitable for Rugby League (one of which has permanent goal posts). They have also invested in the facilities at Manchester Regional Arena to ensure that it is suitable to host Rugby League. A facility that we are proud to call home.

All of the above suggests to me that the work being carried out in Manchester is working, and there is evidence to suggest that it is working too! There are plenty of facts in the public domain that will back this statement up (community@manchesterrangers.co.uk – send me an email If you would like me to point you in the right direction where that is concerned).


Let’s not forget that professional Rugby League is not ALL about participation. Manchester Rangers are also creating a sustainable club off the field. Our average attendance (in the lowest formal competition at the time) in 2015 was 146. The lowest of these attendances was 115 with the highest being 274. In 2016 Rangers highest attendance so far has been 358. We are currently averaging at 174. That’s an average of 174 people paying to watch a regional standard of the game. We aren’t going to create huge fan base overnight; we are happy with the current rate of our growth.


Commercially, even now, Manchester Rangers RLFC have the capacity to compete with the majority of the clubs currently in Kingstone Press League One – maybe to the obvious exception of Toulouse. I believe that a professional licence will only increase the club’s commercial viability and capacity.


“Well, as we're the longest serving RL club that Manchester has ever had and have been developing a professional club since 2010, it would be more accurate to say that they are competing against us... – Knowing more of the bigger picture than most, I personally don’t think that we are in competition at all.

“But I think it's fascinating to compare the different approaches that the two clubs are taking; one is taking what I call the insolvent, benevolent model and Mancunians are taking the sustainable, long term approach. Let's see which one will be the most successful.Interesting point of view but I think it’s fascinating how you are able to come to this conclusion.


Ps. The future’s bright, the future’s blue.


Kind Regards


Nick Holt

Community Development Manager

Manchester Rangers RLFC


#3233175 Burgess leaves Bath

Posted by Martyn Sadler on 13 November 2015 - 01:00 PM

It was very interesting to be able to talk to Shaun Edwards at the Hall of Fame dinner last night.


Shaun, as a member of the Welsh coaching team, admitted that the substitution of Sam was the turning point in the game, mainly because Sam had bottled up the Welsh centre Jamie Roberts and completely neutralised him.


When Sam went off and George Ford came on it played into the Welsh hands, whose game plan had been to target Ford defensively if he came onto the field.


That is exactly how it worked out.


The decision to substitute Sam was probably the worst decision made in British sport in 2015.


The second worst was the decision not to play him from the start against Australia.

#3425013 Very impressive viewing figures for France-England

Posted by terrywebbisgod on 26 October 2016 - 06:57 AM

I'm disputing those figures, there were some empty seats in my lounge during the game.

#3333982 Paul March eat your words!

Posted by IM2 on 21 May 2016 - 05:53 PM

Pretty arrogant from March. Nice to see him eat his words.


Love it when a southern team does this against all the odds. 30-20 win very solid as well and an 18 - 0 first half even better.


Keighley Cougars Head Coach Paul March: “It’s going to be emotional once more, that is for sure, but the emotion will get easier every time we play there and the lads overcome the hurdle last time a month ago.

“It’s disappointing for me that we’re facing the Skolars on Saturday, as I feel we need a competitive game to really get the lads going ahead of the Cup final in Blackpool and we’re not getting that playing these southern sides.”

#3320776 The future ain't what it used to be !

Posted by GeordieSaint on 29 April 2016 - 11:15 AM

I just think some of em just don't get what the spirit of Rugby League is. To me they are the KFC, Pizza Hut and Mcdonalds  supporter   


Really? You are wrong; plenty of people (many on this forum) who want to see the sport grow and expand have invested blood, sweat and tears in the development of this sport across the UK and beyond. I think these individuals embody the spirit of the sport and everything it stands for.

#3249319 Kevin Sinfield

Posted by Kenilworth Tiger on 20 December 2015 - 09:59 PM

All this point scoring on this thread is pure and utter b~llocks


We've just had the most coverage for our grest sport I can ever remember in such a short period of time - Sinfield and the BBC portryed our sport exactly as it should be portrayed and we have people questioning voting patterns etc etc



Enjoy it and f*cking talk about it to everybody you see tomorrow - stop being d*cks

#3141398 I discovered Rugby League at the age of 48

Posted by Jimbo78 on 16 June 2015 - 04:30 AM

I discovered it 2 weeks ago at the age of 37 at the Magic weekend here in Newcastle! Me and 3 mates decided to buy tickets for the Saturday to support Widnes purely because they were playing in black and white stripes and for their marvellous gesture in raising money for the Sir Bobby Robson foundation (as did quite a few other locals). Rugby League really isn't very big up here and it's really either football or you don't like sport so we didn't really know what to expect. Let's just say we were totally blown away by how good it was and enjoyed it so much we ended up going back for the Sunday and thoroughly enjoyed that.

Next month we're going to travel down to the Widnes v Catalans match and hopefully this will become a regular thing. I'd already cancelled my NUFC season ticket of 24 years due to being totally disillusioned with the club and top level football in general to be honest and had a pretty big void there to try and fill. Looks like I might have just found it!

#3076333 21 Feb: WCS: Wigan Warriors v Brisbane Broncos KO 7.45pm (TV)

Posted by Exiled Wiganer on 22 February 2015 - 08:37 AM

To be honest my night was spoilt before kick off. I sat down and asked the man beside me what he'd paid for his ticket. Full price like me, so began to relax. Then I discovered that his A P R on his credit card was 4 % better than mine. I felt hollow inside.

#2840990 23/11/13 - World Cup Semi Final 1: England v New Zealand (Wembley)

Posted by Kenilworth Tiger on 23 November 2013 - 07:21 PM

I refuse to read this thread as I know it will be fill of the same old ###### that gets spouted every time......Sinfield is to blame, the Kiwis didn't care, Mcbana (lol) is useless etc etc etc

So all i will say is this....

Today I witnessed one of the best sporting spectacles I have ever seen in any sport, met some first time RL fans from all over the country and been involved with a team of volunteers who have given up time and money to support our game.

My overriding emotion, soon after complete and utter heartache, was sheer pride in our great game and squad of players who went toe to toe with the world champions.

No one player lost that game - as a team we never closed it out, simple as that.

I am proud England Rugby League supporter tonight

#3446607 Cunningham - training in Dubai? A disgrace!

Posted by flyingking on 01 December 2016 - 05:48 AM

I have no objection to gathering England players for a training camp, in fact all for it if it leads to England playing at their best.

What I do have a strong objection to is going to a country which imprisons people for the "crime" of organising rugby league.

#3444202 Jamie Soward - SL are 10 years behind. Championship etc 20 years behind

Posted by Just Browny on 26 November 2016 - 09:28 AM

What does 10/20 years behind even mean?

If the Championship is 20 years behind NRL, does that mean the part-time players in it are as good as the top Aussie players were twenty years ago? As good as Fittler, Renouf, Sailor etc? If so I would say the Championship is doing bloody well.

Completely meaningless claptrap from a player I enjoyed watching this season.