Oh go on then ...
One purpose of language is to be understood. Another is the impression that you create.
And there are rules.
If there were no rules then "My aunt is sitting outside" could be identical in meaning to "Bradford Bulls are over-rated" or "David Cameron is such a nice man" since any one interpretation would be as good as another.
Words change meaning. Dictionaries then have to catch up. The rules follow the change.
Grammar changes. English used to have genders, now it doesn't. The rules of English followed the change.
In your examples now they are clearly different but whilst it would be highly unlikely there's nothing to say that the words used in each example might move closer to each other in the future.
Indeed. See Chomsky's Universal Grammar for a desciption of this. Grammatical rules would seem to be an inbuilt human characteristic.
No, they are observations of what is accepted and in what context but you argument that rules come after speech proves that rules don't exist is bizarre. I could argue that my kids don't exist because I was born before they were.
The universe, unlike language, has fixed rules although we don't know them all yet. Your children cannot be born before you. The rules that govern existence don't allow it.
A person could break every rule laid down for language and still be understood and make an impression.
Chomsky says it's inbuilt and he has good reasons for this. He has many major figures who agree with him e.g. Steven Pinker. Where is the detractor's evidence?
I said why you are wrong and you've run out of arguments. You disagree solely because you can't admit that you are wrong.
If you'd read the link you'd see that the detractor has evidence. He's even presented it. In, like a proper scientific way and everything.
Your second bit is tedious. I disagree with you because I think you're wrong and I'm right - nothing grander or deeper than that. The way the conversation was going it looked like all we were going to do was say the same things in different ways as there was nothing to move either position.
Edited by gingerjon, 02 October 2012 - 09:56 AM.