my missus Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 5 matches a bit harsh i thought it was a good tackle. Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes I can barely define the shape of this moment in time(roger waters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearman Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 It would have been 1 match but they added 4 to punish Betts. Ron Banks Midlands Hurricanes and Barrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my missus Posted May 3, 2016 Author Share Posted May 3, 2016 that thought crossed my mind as well. Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes I can barely define the shape of this moment in time(roger waters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Frightful Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 It would have been 1 match but they added 4 to punish Betts. Did he talk to the ref at half time? Or Sky's Bill Arthur at full time? I think we need to know. Hull FC....The Sons of God... (Well, we are about to be crucified on Good Friday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longboard Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 It would have been 1 match but they added 4 to punish Betts. Betts? Did the old man say follow Ah Van or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 5 matches a bit harsh i thought it was a good tackle. I think the extent of the ban is due to the resultant injury, that should not be taken into account, it is the intent that should be looked at. From what I saw Ah Van didn't seem to deliberately turn over the player but put in a good hard tackle that finished up going wrong. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Betts? Did the old man say follow Ah Van or something? Did you not see his post match analysis of the refs performance. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 I think the extent of the ban is due to the resultant injury, that should not be taken into account, it is the intent that should be looked at. From what I saw Ah Van didn't seem to deliberately turn over the player but put in a good hard tackle that finished up going wrong. Saw the tackle on BBC today (thank you BBC in the south!). Have to say thats the way I saw it to. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 I think the extent of the ban is due to the resultant injury, that should not be taken into account, it is the intent that should be looked at. From what I saw Ah Van didn't seem to deliberately turn over the player but put in a good hard tackle that finished up going wrong.tbf the guidelines do have injury as an aggravating factor not intent. I tend to agree on the tackle but I think as it was a 1 on 1 tackle it is hard for ah van to say it was a controlled tackle. Nobody else was involved, often these tackles are a result of two defenders getting it wrong between them.It certainly wasnt a normal tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longboard Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Did you not see his post match analysis of the refs performance. Can you hear a whooshing sound? No matter, it happens to most of us sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 tbf the guidelines do have injury as an aggravating factor not intent. I tend to agree on the tackle but I think as it was a 1 on 1 tackle it is hard for ah van to say it was a controlled tackle. Nobody else was involved, often these tackles are a result of two defenders getting it wrong between them. It certainly wasnt a normal tackle. Sorry its my view that it shouldn't be taken into account if there is no intent. I don't think I made that clear. If intent is shown, as in the retaliation later when Ah Van came back on and got smashed in the chops, if that had resulted in a broken jaw then the intent and injury should be considered. I don't think there was any intent to turn the player over, it was, as I said earlier, a good hard tackle that went wrong (IMO). Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 5 matches a bit harsh i thought it was a good tackle. Agreed. It was a brute of a tackle (but not, I think, malicious), and the guy did get hurt, but it isn't a 5-matcher in my opinion. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZH Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I know where the panel are coming from, because we certainly don't want another Alex McKinnon. But 5 matches is a lot for what was obviously a technique issue rather than anything intentional. Plus you see guys flipped upside down every week and it never gets 5 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Sorry its my view that it shouldn't be taken into account if there is no intent. I don't think I made that clear. If intent is shown, as in the retaliation later when Ah Van came back on and got smashed in the chops, if that had resulted in a broken jaw then the intent and injury should be considered. I don't think there was any intent to turn the player over, it was, as I said earlier, a good hard tackle that went wrong (IMO). aye fair enough, I did think you may have been positioning it like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Can he appeal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wollo Wollo Wayoo Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Can he appeal? He's on the phone to Kooka$h right now, taking advice. This world was never meant for one as beautiful as me. Wakefield Trinity RLFC 2012 - 2014 "The wasted years" 2013, 2014 & 2015 Official Magic Weekend "Whipping Boys" 2017 - The year the dream disappeared under Grix's left foot. 2018 - The FinniChezz Bromance 2019 - The Return of the Prodigal Son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I know where the panel are coming from, because we certainly don't want another Alex McKinnon. But 5 matches is a lot for what was obviously a technique issue rather than anything intentional. Plus you see guys flipped upside down every week and it never gets 5 matches.The same disciplinary panel deemed a biting incident was worth 4 games - this is what I'm struggling to get my head aroundI wouldn't mind so much if all tackles like this got 5 games - I saw a tackle by Dave Taylor where he was up right and the player was vertical (the wrong way) and only a caution was issued I just struggle to see the difference - if somebody could explain maybe if accept it, but at the moment im just scratching my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Thought this guy finished playing years ago.Not hard to see why SL isn't of a very high standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevereed100 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 When will the Chairmen take the RFL Disciplinary on? Like many other long term fans of the game I thought it was a powerful tackle by Ah Van with no malice. He stopped the winger dead in his tracks with a perfect tackle technique. The injury was unfortunate but irrelevant to the judgement,a lottery for the defending player. Ah Van and Widnes are now denied the opportunity to play almost a quarter of the main reason....ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gates1 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Think the RFL have issued half a game ban for every time Ashley Gibson has tweeted a photo of the tackle with a moan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin James Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 5 games! It wasn't even worthy of a sin bin. The injury is just unfortunate. It's one of them things that happens in a contact sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Should have got 6 or the full 8! It was a terrible tackle that could easily have been tragic had Gibson not broken his fall by getting his arm down ahead of his neck. Great initial contact by Ah Van but the lifting and driving downward were totally unnecessary & unacceptable! Aaron Heramia should also have been banned for a couple of matches, he's a lucky boy that he's escaped punishment. Betts needs to rethink his strategy next time he coaches and winds his team up to cross the line in terms of physicality. It didn't work, Wakefield stood up to them and won the game playing fast free flowing Rugby League. Widnes on the other hand lost the game, lost a couple of players to suspension, lost the respect of a lot of people and Betts list any last semblance of credibility. Additionally, Betts hypocricy in coming out slating the ref for penalising foul play after he'd sent his team out to play foul is laughable. The subsequent disgusting and disgraceful reaction of some Widnes fans, aimed at Ashley Gibson, has its catalyst in that Betts post match interview. Dennis Betts should be ashamed of himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 5 games! It wasn't even worthy of a sin bin. The injury is just unfortunate. It's one of them things that happens in a contact sport. No it's the result of reckless and careless technique which is the responsibility of the defender! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Should have got 6 or the full 8! It was a terrible tackle that could easily have been tragic had Gibson not broken his fall by getting his arm down ahead of his neck. Great initial contact by Ah Van but the lifting and driving downward were totally unnecessary & unacceptable! Aaron Heramia should also have been banned for a couple of matches, he's a lucky boy that he's escaped punishment. Betts needs to rethink his strategy next time he coaches and winds his team up to cross the line in terms of physicality. It didn't work, Wakefield stood up to them and won the game playing fast free flowing Rugby League. Widnes on the other hand lost the game, lost a couple of players to suspension, lost the respect of a lot of people and Betts list any last semblance of credibility. Additionally, Betts hypocricy in coming out slating the ref for penalising foul play after he'd sent his team out to play foul is laughable. The subsequent disgusting and disgraceful reaction of some Widnes fans, aimed at Ashley Gibson, has its catalyst in that Betts post match interview. Dennis Betts should be ashamed of himself! Any similar review of Scott Moore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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