how good is this

[Viking Warrior]

brilliant footage from 109 years ago........

[Viking Warrior]

double post

Edited July 14, 2010 by Viking Warrior

[Viking Warrior]

the willows hasn't changed since 1901 has it????

[roughyedspud]

oldham v swinton @ watersheddings

[tim2]

I like the bit where he says that the crowd looked larger than that reported. Tax fiddling even then perhaps?

The game really was unstructured back then and heavily reliant on scrums. No wonder RU reckons its the pure form the game, they're still doing it.

[Padge]

This was in the years between the abolition of the ruck and maul and the introduction of the play-the-ball. Every tackle resulted in a scrum. Watch how fast they form the scrums though.

The Mitchell and Kenyon stuff is brilliant, they made a point of doing crowd shots so that they could get people to come and pay to watch themselves later. The behaviour of people when they see some form of film/tv camera hasn't changed in over 100 years.

[Trojan]

This was in the years between the abolition of the ruck and maul and the introduction of the play-the-ball. Every tackle resulted in a scrum. Watch how fast they form the scrums though.

The Mitchell and Kenyon stuff is brilliant, they made a point of doing crowd shots so that they could get people to come and pay to watch themselves later. The behaviour of people when they see some form of film/tv camera hasn't changed in over 100 years.

I went to the screening of the Mitchell and Kenyon NU stuff at the National Media Museum about four years ago - it was great.

It must be unique to be able to see how a game was actually played over 100 years ago. There's plenty of soccer stuff on Mitchell and Kenyon but I don't think the basic game of soccer has changed as much as RL has from those days.

[gingerjon]

I went to the screening of the Mitchell and Kenyon NU stuff at the National Media Museum about four years ago - it was great.

It must be unique to be able to see how a game was actually played over 100 years ago. There's plenty of soccer stuff on Mitchell and Kenyon but I don't think the basic game of soccer has changed as much as RL has from those days.

I have a feeling that the only significant changes to the rules since the formation of the football league in 1888 are the creation of the penalty area, where the goalkeeper can handle the ball and the backpass. All the major changes took place between 1863 and 1888. Not sure when offside became settled though and any changes to that have been 'interpretation' rather a change to the law.

[Bomb Jack]

Oi VW, that sig is just toooooooooooooo long

[Viking Warrior]

Oi VW, that sig is just toooooooooooooo long

it's not my fault that we have won so many trophies

[Padge]

I went to the screening of the Mitchell and Kenyon NU stuff at the National Media Museum about four years ago - it was great.

It must be unique to be able to see how a game was actually played over 100 years ago. There's plenty of soccer stuff on Mitchell and Kenyon but I don't think the basic game of soccer has changed as much as RL has from those days.

I was in Greece when they did the screening, I was well p!$$ed off at missing it.

In the Mitchell and Kenyon TV series I think they showed an NU game and a Man U (or whatever they were called then) game, there was no ###### watching the soccer but the rugby was packed.

[Mortis]

1901! It's good to see fashions never change in "that place to the east of Bradford"

[roughyedspud]

it's not my fault that we have won so many trophies

you've been 'runners up' more times than you've won owt...

[Trojan]

I have a feeling that the only significant changes to the rules since the formation of the football league in 1888 are the creation of the penalty area, where the goalkeeper can handle the ball and the backpass. All the major changes took place between 1863 and 1888. Not sure when offside became settled though and any changes to that have been 'interpretation' rather a change to the law.

You mean the 18 yard (or 16.452 m) line

[Millman]

I have a feeling that the only significant changes to the rules since the formation of the football league in 1888 are the creation of the penalty area, where the goalkeeper can handle the ball and the backpass. All the major changes took place between 1863 and 1888. Not sure when offside became settled though and any changes to that have been 'interpretation' rather a change to the law.

Sorry to follow you off topic, but what happened before the penalty area? Where could the keeper handle the ball?

[Trojan]

Sorry to follow you off topic, but what happened before the penalty area? Where could the keeper handle the ball?

I know that at one time in soccer an out field player was allowed to make "a fair catch" catch of the ball and call for a mark. And a free kick.

[Padge]

I know that at one time in soccer an out field player was allowed to make "a fair catch" catch of the ball and call for a mark. And a free kick.

I think after the mark and fair catch was done away with a player could still use his hands to block the ball and knock it to ground.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

there were some real sharp dressers in the crowd billycock hats and velvet collared overcoats

that main stand at Oldham is the only bit of stadium infrastructure that I can recall seeing

also is that Goldthorpe at the right of the team shots at the start of the Hunslet film

fascinating stuff. Lots of period detail.

[Trojan]

there were some real sharp dressers in the crowd billycock hats and velvet collared overcoats

that main stand at Oldham is the only bit of stadium infrastructure that I can recall seeing

also is that Goldthorpe at the right of the team shots at the start of the Hunslet film

fascinating stuff. Lots of period detail.

Is it Oldham then? I thought with the steep terracing it must be Fartown

[Kiwi-Capper_merged]

there were some real sharp dressers in the crowd billycock hats and velvet collared overcoats

that main stand at Oldham is the only bit of stadium infrastructure that I can recall seeing

also is that Goldthorpe at the right of the team shots at the start of the Hunslet film

fascinating stuff. Lots of period detail.

I think during the shots of the crowd at the hunslet game I can see you having a cal with parksider

[Millman]

I think during the shots of the crowd at the hunslet game I can see you having a cal with parksider

No he will have been checking out the bogs for light bulbs and paper.

Edited July 15, 2010 by Millman

[l'angelo mysterioso]

Is it Oldham then? I thought with the steep terracing it must be Fartown

you might be right Troj.

But it seems strongly remeniscent of that main stnd at Watersheddings to me.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

No he will have been checking out the bogs for light bulbs and paper.

well somebody has to

[gingerjon]

Sorry to follow you off topic, but what happened before the penalty area? Where could the keeper handle the ball?

Trying to find that out - I have a feeling it was anywhere on the field for a time but that he was the only player who could do this. The first goals appear not to have had crossbars either.

Anyway, I now have dates for a couple of other things soccer-wise: offside in its modern form came into being but with three players not two in 1866 before being revised down to two in 1925; penalty kicks were introduced in 1891. The only change to the rules since 1925 has been the introduction of substitutes and outlawing a deliberate backpass to the goalkeeper.

[Bearman]

I was in Greece when they did the screening, I was well p!$$ed off at missing it.

In the Mitchell and Kenyon TV series I think they showed an NU game and a Man U (or whatever they were called then) game, there was no ###### watching the soccer but the rugby was packed.

They were called Manchester United. They had changed names from Newton Heath that year 1901. My claim to fame is that my Grandfather Jack Banks played for them and is shown in the film. He was bought from WBA, played 34 times and scored 1 goal before being transferred to Plymouth Argyle in 1903