Old Frightful Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Has he not got over being suspended? Hull FC....The Sons of God... (Well, we are about to be crucified on Good Friday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrywebbisgod Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Has he not got over being suspended? Jumped before he's pushed (so to speak) Thank you for your valuable contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 No doubt this will allow the story behind the suspension to be suppressed. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronicler of Chiswick Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Jumped before he's pushed (so to speak) My thoughts exactly - when I worked for what is now the Royal Mail it was known as a resignation to avoid dismissal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9' oller Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Just a bit too hands on for a non playing rfl member 'Shaw cross juniors, Birkenshaw, Mirfield, Heckmondwike Panthers, Stainland Stags and then the Heavy woolen donkeys... WARDY, STOZZA, GT, KARL OR KEAR MUST OF DROPPED A DIGIT FROM MY MOBILE NUMBER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingking Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I want to express my appreciation for all the service he has given to the game. Referees have an often thankless task and do not take up the whistle for either popularity or fortune. Rugby league is not awash with high quality, experienced officials; losing one of those we do have is definitely a setback for the game. www.twitter.com/flyingking2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Jumped before he's pushed (so to speak) Why, was he down to ref Josh Charnley's next match? I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Frightful Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 Why, was he down to ref Josh Charnley's next match? Hull FC....The Sons of God... (Well, we are about to be crucified on Good Friday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Without compromising themselves or him anyone know what the background to this is? "Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Frightful Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 I understand it was an incident at the Magic Weekend. Seeing as he hasn't reffed since then it would appear that might be correct. I'll pm you what I've heard as it wouldn't last long on here. Hull FC....The Sons of God... (Well, we are about to be crucified on Good Friday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksy Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I understand it was an incident at the Magic Weekend. Seeing as he hasn't reffed since then it would appear that might be correct. I'll pm you what I've heard as it wouldn't last long on here. PM me too please OF cheers Rugby Union the only game in the world were the spectators handle the ball more than the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevereed100 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 What I have read Silverwood seems to have fallen foul of a climate at the RFL within a group of senior Referees. Ganson was an early example but I was told on the day leading up to the Magic Weekend that there had been a lot of fun and games in and around the Hospitality Suite at Wembley last year. Power and "fame" can be difficult to handle for some. It is ironic that those who are responsible for discipline on the field seem to let themselves down off it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Stock Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 What I have read Silverwood seems to have fallen foul of a climate at the RFL within a group of senior Referees. Ganson was an early example but I was told on the day leading up to the Magic Weekend that there had been a lot of fun and games in and around the Hospitality Suite at Wembley last year. Power and "fame" can be difficult to handle for some. It is ironic that those who are responsible for discipline on the field seem to let themselves down off it! I'm sure there is more to this than meets the eye. I have a heard a couple of (poor behaviour) stories about Ganson - when he was a ref and since he gained control. George Stokes resigned suddenly with no further comment since - wonder why? (Cue comments about his reffing) I have no idea what has supposed to have happened beyond the rumour and speculation. What I do know is - a lot of former players and referees are wishing Richard Silverwood well on his time line and he had gained a lot of respect on the pitch. I have long speculated and still believe the RFL is rotten to the core - and for the forseeable future will stay that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 I'm sure there is more to this than meets the eye. I have a heard a couple of (poor behaviour) stories about Ganson - when he was a ref and since he gained control. George Stokes resigned suddenly with no further comment since - wonder why? (Cue comments about his reffing). There was a brief statement about George Stokes. From what I did hear, he didn't really want to leave his job to be a full time ref in SL. His job was a pretty good high paid job and he decided to continue down that route instead. He could still ref part time in the Championship if he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric T Cat Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 I suspect a deal has been done to let him leave without any fuss, as part of that deal he leaves with "honour" and the RFL thank him for his efforts, and everyone signs a non-disclosure agreement about what actually happened. I have issues with that. Firstly, given this is about refereeing, which I agree is a thankless and difficult task having tried my hand at it years ago, there can be as US President Richard Nixon put it, "There can be no whitewash at the White House". The same applies to Red Hall. The disciplinary actions around referees have to be heard in public, harsh as that seems it hs to be done so everyone knows that any issues affecting refereeing are towards conduct off the pitch, personal issues, or other and NOT, most definitely NOT regarding their actions on the pitch. There are fans of clubs, both Hull clubs for certain, who would suggest that in their opinion that there was little point attending games he refereed for the sides as a loss was almost guaranteed. That is their opinion, they are entitled to that opinion, as are fans of other clubs. But the secrecy that surrounds the dealings of referees, especially with recent high level resignations, has to be dismantled so that rumour and supposition are put down quickly and clearly and that the custodians of the game on the pitch are seen to be above reproach, are seen to be unbiased, are safe hands to run the matches, and that the inevitable errors that are made refereeing matches are genuine, the result of human error, blocked vision, lack of clarity in the video replay, or other benign reasons. Otherwise people will feel that their fears are being realised. There are people of ill intent that would look to skew results for the sake of betting results, on the most obscure of events, looking back within the NRL there was the Ryan Tandy incident in 2010, the betting scandal in 2004 with Sean Long and Martin Gleeson, thankfully incidents that are rare and severely punished. But we have to know there is no taint in the pool of referees, they have to be above suspicion, they have to be seen to be clean. Hiding things, letting people resign to avoid further action, which may or may not be the case here, is not the way to conduct matters, it leads to speculation, rumour, and falsehood that is more damaging to the sport. Refereeing needs to be more open to scrutiny by the public to ensure our ongoing confidence in what is a difficult and thankless job, that is healthy for the sport. We would all be reassured if matters were dealt with openly and that incidents on or off the field are down to human frailty ir a failure of the technology, and not due to suspicious circumstances, the involvement of betting syndicates, or other elements we don't need in the sport. I shall clamber down off my soapbox and have a cup of tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull4Life Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 George Stokes resigned suddenly with no further comment since - wonder why? (Cue comments about his reffing) The RFL basically said he couldn't hack the physicality and demands of the full time role... http://www.rugby-league.com/article/33733/-george-stokes-resigns-as-full-time-match-official Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 I suspect a deal has been done to let him leave without any fuss, as part of that deal he leaves with "honour" and the RFL thank him for his efforts, and everyone signs a non-disclosure agreement about what actually happened. I have issues with that. Firstly, given this is about refereeing, which I agree is a thankless and difficult task having tried my hand at it years ago, there can be as US President Richard Nixon put it, "There can be no whitewash at the White House". The same applies to Red Hall. The disciplinary actions around referees have to be heard in public, harsh as that seems it hs to be done so everyone knows that any issues affecting refereeing are towards conduct off the pitch, personal issues, or other and NOT, most definitely NOT regarding their actions on the pitch. There are fans of clubs, both Hull clubs for certain, who would suggest that in their opinion that there was little point attending games he refereed for the sides as a loss was almost guaranteed. That is their opinion, they are entitled to that opinion, as are fans of other clubs. But the secrecy that surrounds the dealings of referees, especially with recent high level resignations, has to be dismantled so that rumour and supposition are put down quickly and clearly and that the custodians of the game on the pitch are seen to be above reproach, are seen to be unbiased, are safe hands to run the matches, and that the inevitable errors that are made refereeing matches are genuine, the result of human error, blocked vision, lack of clarity in the video replay, or other benign reasons. Otherwise people will feel that their fears are being realised. There are people of ill intent that would look to skew results for the sake of betting results, on the most obscure of events, looking back within the NRL there was the Ryan Tandy incident in 2010, the betting scandal in 2004 with Sean Long and Martin Gleeson, thankfully incidents that are rare and severely punished. But we have to know there is no taint in the pool of referees, they have to be above suspicion, they have to be seen to be clean. Hiding things, letting people resign to avoid further action, which may or may not be the case here, is not the way to conduct matters, it leads to speculation, rumour, and falsehood that is more damaging to the sport. Refereeing needs to be more open to scrutiny by the public to ensure our ongoing confidence in what is a difficult and thankless job, that is healthy for the sport. We would all be reassured if matters were dealt with openly and that incidents on or off the field are down to human frailty ir a failure of the technology, and not due to suspicious circumstances, the involvement of betting syndicates, or other elements we don't need in the sport. I shall clamber down off my soapbox and have a cup of tea. Whilst I agree there should be more transparency on referees, Silverwood left for off-field indiscretions which therefore have no impact upon the actual game, so much like the Bateman incident, should be left to be dealt with behind closed doors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Frightful Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 Whilst I agree there should be more transparency on referees, Silverwood left for off-field indiscretions which therefore have no impact upon the actual game, so much like the Bateman incident, should be left to be dealt with behind closed doors Different circumstances I understand. With the Bateman incident, the "complainant" was another player that presumably was able to be pursuaded by the Wigan club not to pursue the matter. With the Silverwood incident, regarding the "complainant", I have a feeling it's not quite as straightforward as that. Hull FC....The Sons of God... (Well, we are about to be crucified on Good Friday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 I suspect a deal has been done to let him leave without any fuss, as part of that deal he leaves with "honour" and the RFL thank him for his efforts, and everyone signs a non-disclosure agreement about what actually happened. I have issues with that. Firstly, given this is about refereeing, which I agree is a thankless and difficult task having tried my hand at it years ago, there can be as US President Richard Nixon put it, "There can be no whitewash at the White House". The same applies to Red Hall. The disciplinary actions around referees have to be heard in public, harsh as that seems it hs to be done so everyone knows that any issues affecting refereeing are towards conduct off the pitch, personal issues, or other and NOT, most definitely NOT regarding their actions on the pitch. There are fans of clubs, both Hull clubs for certain, who would suggest that in their opinion that there was little point attending games he refereed for the sides as a loss was almost guaranteed. That is their opinion, they are entitled to that opinion, as are fans of other clubs. But the secrecy that surrounds the dealings of referees, especially with recent high level resignations, has to be dismantled so that rumour and supposition are put down quickly and clearly and that the custodians of the game on the pitch are seen to be above reproach, are seen to be unbiased, are safe hands to run the matches, and that the inevitable errors that are made refereeing matches are genuine, the result of human error, blocked vision, lack of clarity in the video replay, or other benign reasons. Otherwise people will feel that their fears are being realised. There are people of ill intent that would look to skew results for the sake of betting results, on the most obscure of events, looking back within the NRL there was the Ryan Tandy incident in 2010, the betting scandal in 2004 with Sean Long and Martin Gleeson, thankfully incidents that are rare and severely punished. But we have to know there is no taint in the pool of referees, they have to be above suspicion, they have to be seen to be clean. Hiding things, letting people resign to avoid further action, which may or may not be the case here, is not the way to conduct matters, it leads to speculation, rumour, and falsehood that is more damaging to the sport. Refereeing needs to be more open to scrutiny by the public to ensure our ongoing confidence in what is a difficult and thankless job, that is healthy for the sport. We would all be reassured if matters were dealt with openly and that incidents on or off the field are down to human frailty ir a failure of the technology, and not due to suspicious circumstances, the involvement of betting syndicates, or other elements we don't need in the sport. I shall clamber down off my soapbox and have a cup of tea. Referees are employees and has such have the same employment rights as everyone else. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Stock Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 This is what I thought at the time; "I'm sure there is more to this than meets the eye. I have a heard a couple of (poor behaviour) stories about Ganson - when he was a ref and since he gained control. George Stokes resigned suddenly with no further comment since - wonder why? (Cue comments about his reffing) I have no idea what has supposed to have happened beyond the rumour and speculation. What I do know is - a lot of former players and referees are wishing Richard Silverwood well on his time line and he had gained a lot of respect on the pitch. I have long speculated and still believe the RFL is rotten to the core - and for the forseeable future will stay that way." Amazed to see that the article regards the Referees Dept this weekend hasn't generated a thread - but there you go. Appalling report - and under any other circumstances - there would be a chance that change may follow on the back of it. However, as the RFL constitution states they only answer to themselves - I have no doubt it will continue as is - depressingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooza Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Amazed to see that the article regards the Referees Dept this weekend hasn't generated a thread - but there you go. I've not seen it. Which article? Check out upcoming international fixtures and highlights of past matches at http://rlfixtures.weebly.com St Albans Centurions International Liaison Officer and former Medway Dragons Wheelchair RL player.Leeds Rhinos, St Albans Centurions y Griffons Madrid fan. Also follow (to a lesser extent) Catalans Dragons, London Broncos, South Sydney Rabbitohs, Jacksonville Axemen, Vrchlabi Mad Squirrels, København Black Swans, Red Star Belgrade and North Hertfordshire Crusaders.Moderator of the International board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearman Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 This is what I thought at the time; "I'm sure there is more to this than meets the eye. I have a heard a couple of (poor behaviour) stories about Ganson - when he was a ref and since he gained control. George Stokes resigned suddenly with no further comment since - wonder why? (Cue comments about his reffing) I have no idea what has supposed to have happened beyond the rumour and speculation. What I do know is - a lot of former players and referees are wishing Richard Silverwood well on his time line and he had gained a lot of respect on the pitch. I have long speculated and still believe the RFL is rotten to the core - and for the forseeable future will stay that way." Amazed to see that the article regards the Referees Dept this weekend hasn't generated a thread - but there you go. Appalling report - and under any other circumstances - there would be a chance that change may follow on the back of it. However, as the RFL constitution states they only answer to themselves - I have no doubt it will continue as is - depressingly. Article? Ron Banks Midlands Hurricanes and Barrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevereed100 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Where is this article? Have seen comments about pictures on Facebook of his behaviour at Wembley, hope that was not the result of more RFL hospitality. Needs a sober review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Stock Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Its in the League Weekly - all over twitter on the day of publication.. I have tried to paste the page image here - but it won't let me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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