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At the moment International Rugby League is a contest between nations, that does not enforce a proper nationality test.

Surely now the rules to acquire nationality must be applied.

That is Jus Sanguinis (rule of blood) you inherit your nationality from a patent.

Or Jus Soli (Rule of Soil) you claim nationality from where you were born.

Obviously you would need respect naturalised passport holders.

But I believe this would stop players being unfairly labeled heritage players.

Would cut out some of the farce that some nations have become that is threatening to derail the international game and expansion of League into new countries.

Nothing wrong with the use of development matches that have a loose definition of nationality, but for RLIF internationals we need to tighten the rules.

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Rugby league is no different to most other sports when it comes to international qualification these days. Cricket was way ahead having plenty of players with South African accents, including a captain, playing for England when I was a kid in the 70s.

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I have little issue with heritage as long as the national team is there to drive development in that nation.

Im not a fan of UK or Aussie versions of teams, like this Jamaica tean or the Italy (Aus edition) team.

Im also not a plan of teams just playing in the uk and aus.

Heritage players going playing in Itay, Jamaica, USA, Samoa etc can do good for their nation.

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I think that there is a much simpler solution to all of this. Players choose who they play for internationally.

So let them choose all of the nations that they qualify for. But once they play at senior level for one nation, that is them.

This way, if you are half arsed about it, you won't play for Fiji until Oz select you. But if you have the heart of Fiji, like the Sims boys, then these boys inspire the next generation.

We are simply too soft on the matter. You can't have the best of all worlds, as men, they need to make decisions. They can keep their options open, but eventually they must choose.

It's international football. The players need to be accountable for its integrity. If they are chasing dollars at that level, then they aren't the type of internationals that do the game Amy good in my opinion.

It really is that simple, you can make a choice, but once you play, you can't make another.

The result is either stronger international games, or a bunch of Ozzies and Kiwis left in the sidelines in October and November. Let's be honest, that's what the whole thing comes down to.

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RL is exactly the same as pretty much every other sport now, this happens across the spectrum. It would help if everyone just accepted this is now the norm and stop moaning and crying about it. It happens, it will continue to happen, live with it.

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RL is exactly the same as pretty much every other sport now, this happens across the spectrum. It would help if everyone just accepted this is now the norm and stop moaning and crying about it. It happens, it will continue to happen, live with it.

In what other sport are you allowed to switch so easily back and forth between two nations?

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dkw, on 23 Oct 2016 - 12:17 AM, said:

RL is exactly the same as pretty much every other sport now, this happens across the spectrum. It would help if everyone just accepted this is now the norm and stop moaning and crying about it. It happens, it will continue to happen, live with it.

 

I take it you are not Papuan or French. And actually dkw its much worse. I hate to break it to you but in the RU world cup all of the squads were majority made up of players that were actually the nationality on the jersey.  A few squads had maybe 30% heritage.  I don't see how anyone could object to a quota of domestic players, unless you think migration is more important to RL then developing the game outside of the UK, NZ and Aus.

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In what other sport are you allowed to switch so easily back and forth between two nations?

How many foreign nationals in the England Union squad at the moment, 4, maybe 5? Cricket players swap all over the place, Footballers swap junior nations all the time when they go to senior squads. Are we one of the worst, quite possibly for the so called lesser nations as our sport simply isnt played there. But lets not pretend we are the only ones at it. 

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You have to be careful to not just impose your own cultural views regarding this.

Many Pacific Islander communities in Australia see themselves as Samoan, as Tongan, as Fijian etc and those actually living on those islands can be comfortable with communities in Australia identifying themselves that way.

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You have to be careful to not just impose your own cultural views regarding this.

Many Pacific Islander communities in Australia see themselves as Samoan, as Tongan, as Fijian etc and those actually living on those islands can be comfortable with communities in Australia identifying themselves that way.

Are the PI community in Australia allowed to switch willy nilly between Australia and their heritage nation in any other sport? Are they allowed to do things which may be acceptable in the Islands but not in Australia generally just because of their heritage?

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After you do some research, get back to us.

Are the PI community in Australia allowed to switch willy nilly between Australia and their heritage nation in any other sport? Are they allowed to do things which may be acceptable in the Islands but not in Australia generally just because of their heritage?

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You're either blind to the argument dkw or just being obtuse for the sake of it. No-one is denying other sports allow nation swapping but usually it's just the once in a career not possibly several times a year.

So, which players have done it several times a year then?

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You are asking things that require some research and seems to be of great interest to yourself.

Find out yourself.

Great debating skills. Make a comment then refuse to answer any responses without deflecting it back onto me.

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Note the word possibly in my post #9. You know as well as I do that the new rule only came in 23 days ago. We'll see what happens in a WC year.

So your basing this whole argument on something that might happen, but ignoring that it also might happen in other sports where similar rules exist? Goodo.
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It's a totally disingenuous argument to point to cricket and football and say that they use heritage players. With the exception of Algeria in football there are at most a handful of heritage players in some teams in those sports. In RL the majority of teams in a World Cup will have a majority of heritage players. Some will be entirely heritage players. No other sport has this.

 

Don't be fooled that these teams aid development. There is no evidence of this anywhere but Lebanon, and it is actively damaging to places where there is real development.

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Heritage is a tool for future development.

It has the big advantage for a sport with little money that it is cheap.

Why do we, the supporters of our game have to point out the flaws in the system?

Our begrudgers take delight in pointing out any shortcomings we have.

We don't have to do it for them.

Ron Banks

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