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What a strange, subdued type of game.

Australias conservative team selection and approach was designed to strangle an inexperienced Kiwi team as the Aussies were desparate for a win and a second string Kiwis played so conservatively that their aim appeared to keep the score down.

Ray Warren called it right with about 10 minutes to go when he said that if the Aussies have the same combinations in the World Cup then NZ will fancy themselves.

England have nothing to fear from this Aussie team but if the Kiwis get their first ream out it could be an

England/New Zealand final.

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Poor poor game....we should take alot off positives from it...

Australia laboured to a victory over a kiwi team WORSE than the kiwi team that toured here last year...we have legitimate claims on being the best side in the world at the minute

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Poor poor game....we should take alot off positives from it...

Australia laboured to a victory over a kiwi team WORSE than the kiwi team that toured here last year...we have legitimate claims on being the best side in the world at the minute

 

Disagree on the final point as we are not the World Champions and not the top ranked side in the world. If we want to be the best side in the world, we need to win the Four Nations AND back it up next year in Australia.

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I heard some bloke on the presentation stage state that the last time Australia played in Newcastle it was Darren Lockyer's final appearance for the Kangaroos.

It must have someone else who led the Aussies to the 4 Nations win at Elland Road LATER than year then! It looked a lot like him though.

Aussies, rugby league does exist outside of the NRL!

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Poor scrappy game.

Little or no preparation for both teams

Many players not familiar with each others game.

No wonder they are axing this fixture in the future.

 

Shaun Johnson is not a great player in many/most games he plays.

Talent is secondary to whether players are confident.

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I heard some bloke on the presentation stage state that the last time Australia played in Newcastle it was Darren Lockyer's final appearance for the Kangaroos.

It must have someone else who led the Aussies to the 4 Nations win at Elland Road LATER than year then! It looked a lot like him though.

Aussies, rugby league does exist outside of the NRL!

It was lockyer's final appearance in the green&gold on Aussie soil. Hence the big send off.
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its a tough call on what is worse... the quality of the game or the quality of this match report http://www.nrl.com/kangaroos-win-downer-test-match/tabid/10874/newsid/95653/default.aspx

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I know but that's not what was said!

Do you not remember all the retirement presentations that they do before players are seen playing Rugby League the season later for massive and historic Rugby League clubs like Wigan, Leeds, Warrington, Hull and St Helens?

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Said it before sadly SOO is the pinnacle of the sport and the Aussies have backed that up playing Radradra - bonkers inward looking stupidity to relegate the match between the top two ranked side to a sideshow

 

My worries about England are the same as when they announced Bennett as coach - McBanana was a grinder with little or no tactical nous but he did forge a great team that wins and could and should play better football than he seems to have been capable of plotting on the field

 

Bennett has come in cold, part time, hasn't even announced his staff, and my worry is that all the good work 12 months of the year going on behind the scenes has now been dropped in favour of the great super coaches approach - I hope the RFL have not been so stupid as to stop the performance monitoring and mentoring of international players that McNamara had in place because if so we are not winning anything

 

There should have been a proper hand over from one coach to the next and that's not happened - now Betts is in place I do hope he has inherited a team to assist but with Wellens recent comments it seems to be full stop at the moment and that is very bad IMHO

 

I don't think there is much between all three teams with their best on board and the Aussies are on the slide because they should be using matches like this to grow another spine and they havent done that - Maninga obviously thought winning was better than trying something new and losing against a second and possibly even third string NZ side and still only ground out a 16-0 win with a try bang on the 80 minutes hooter, so 12-0 in reality last try nothing to play for defensive lapse game already over 

 

England on the basis of their last hit out would have monstered the Aussies

 

But the Aussies have a full time set up which will raid every other nations talent - step forward Mr Milford as a for instance - and pick form players from the NRL in future no doubt - an NRL team of nations under the Aus flag 

 

NZ seem to be more NZ than they have been for some time and the parochial English are just that - although it would not surprise me to see a few new NRL faces in the team come the 4N's and WC - which given our reactions to that may actually do more harm than good but we shall see

 

Bennett would have been a good consultant rather than a new coach with so little time and new systems to set in place

 

4N's are NZ's already, its the WC cherry that is the acid test, a 4N's win wont necessarily be a bad thing but might not be a true reflection of where all three nations are now

 

And ridiculously if you look at the Catalans side and the talent they have, then under the residency rules they would be a viable 4th country already - just through that one in - as well as Fiji and Samoa and Tonga biting at the top table.

 

I do hope England win the next 2 competitions but change so soon before one of the very few competitions on the international stage doesn't bode well

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Poor poor game....we should take alot off positives from it...

Australia laboured to a victory over a kiwi team WORSE than the kiwi team that toured here last year...we have legitimate claims on being the best side in the world at the minute

How in the world did you get to that conclusion! Until you beat these two sides quite regularly, I'm afraid you don't have claim to anything.

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Mal Menninga is far too close to some of these Origin old stagers - he won't drop them. England have an unbelievable chance this year. We have shown we can beat the Kiwis, we are due a big one over the Aussies. I hope we have all our best fit and firing in the autumn because we can win the 4N this year.

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I wonder whether the BBC website will give us a match report at some point, or even a list of scorers?

Just been mentioned on Talksport Drive Time. Adrian Durham said how today's game showed why he has high hopes for England at the 4Nations and the World Cup. Also he gave a brief tribute to Roger Millward yesterday. Lots more mentions on Talksport since they've got the rights to Super league.

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Given the quality of absentees from the Kiwi seventeen and only a mere 16 point defeat, and the likelihood that Meninga will stick with the old guard for the 4N, what price Australia vs Scotland for the Wooden Spoon (to borrow a phrase from the Devil!).

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This puts into context the fantastic crowds we get in London for internationals when 27k is considered a success in league heaven. :)

 

How big do you think the stadium in Newcastle is?  I couldn't see many empty seats.

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How in the world did you get to that conclusion! Until you beat these two sides quite regularly, I'm afraid you don't have claim to anything.

You do know we just beat the kiwis don't you? And in the last 4 nations there was barely 4 points between the 3 teams..so we aren't miles behind..and we haven't been for a few years...so when you look at the kiwis who are really struggling to put a team out at the min,a aging kangaroo team that struggled against that nz team...and compare that to england at the moment...we have the "best coach in world",some of the best players in the nrl are english,we have sam back..etc..

So yeah..like i said..at the minute we have legitimate claims to being the best side in the world at the min...our stock is rising..the kiwis are struggling & roos are old

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So yeah..like i said..at the minute we have legitimate claims to being the best side in the world at the min...our stock is rising..the kiwis are struggling & roos are old

1 x series win since 2007 and no victory against the Aussies since 2006 is not a legitimate claim to be the best side in the world. We need to beat both sides and beat them regularly. Only then will we have a legitimate claim.

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1 x series win since 2007 and no victory against the Aussies since 2006 is not a legitimate claim to be the best side in the world. We need to beat both sides and beat them regularly. Only then will we have a legitimate claim.

Correct. It's all very well being good on paper.

 

We shouldn't be making claims of superiority 'til we prove it on the scoreboard at full time.

Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

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