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Does that mean they rated the offence as a three match ban and removed one for an EGP? I don't understand why after he missed 72 minutes of the actual match, a one match ban wasn't also dismissed for time served or is that only a rule for Super League players?

Can anyone explain this lack of consistency by the Disciplinary Board?

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I suppose in the Sean O'Loughlin Grade C offence - "first half dismissal, guilty plea, exemplary disciplinary record and first caution in 15 years" it probably does equate to a one match and time served. Regretfully, an exemplary discipline record probably can't really be used when defending our player!

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Just found the actual hearing account. It would appear that Karl contested the level of the offence and therefore did not take the EGP available. The RFL did take the early dismissal into account.

Submission on behalf of the player

"Player not in attendance but represented on the telephone by the Club Vice Chairman Mark Fryer. The player pleads guilty to punching but contests the level of grading at Grade C. Club make it clear from the outset that this type of violent reaction by a player is unacceptable and is not condoned in any way. The player is involved in a tackle by three opponents. During the tackle he is lifted and taken to ground in a dangerous position. As he makes contact with the ground one of the tackling opponents cynically goes over the top and his elbow makes forceful contact with the players face. This was unfortunately not picked up by the Officials. The player then reacts to this serious provocation in a way which is accepted cannot be condoned by punching one of the tackling players. The player was clearly not the aggressor and the severity of the grading should adjusted to a grade B. This was one punch where other incidents involving numerous punches have not attracted a Grade C. The player could have taken the opportunity of an EGP but felt the provocation involved should be taken into consideration".

Tribunal report and decision

"The tribunal have carefully taken into consideration the verbal and written submissions made on the players behalf by his representative. It is accepted there was some degree of provocation by an opponent who appears to promote his elbow before making contact with this players head as he is taken to ground. However the reaction from this player is then unacceptable as he delivers a violent punch to another opponent who is recovering from his involvement in the tackle. The recipient of the blow is not expecting it and is in a vulnerable position and not able to defend himself. This was a violent punch on a defenceless opponent delivered with considerable force and this tribunal are satisfied that a grade C is the appropriate grading. In deciding the appropriate sanction this tribunal take into account the players acceptance of guilt and his dismissal from the field early in the game but note he has a previous history for similar offences albeit 3 years ago. Taking into account all the circumstances this tribunal feel they can go to the lower end of the grading and impose a 2 match suspension and £100 fine".

Hard luck Karl, the lads will miss you.

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I suppose in the Sean O'Loughlin Grade C offence - "first half dismissal, guilty plea, exemplary disciplinary record and first caution in 15 years" it probably does equate to a one match and time served. Regretfully, an exemplary discipline record probably can't really be used when defending our player!

If Sean O'Loughlin has an exemplary disciplinary record then I am the Pope. He may not have a string of "convictions" but that is down to the fact that as a Wigan player he has been walking on water for years. His old feller was a fair and decent player for Town but Sean is the master of the cheap shot. I've often watched him niggling and coming in late and prayed for a Bob Blackwood style of player to clean him out. Karl's verdict comes as no surprise-even with his "form" he would have got a sending off sufficient if he'd been wearing cherry and white. I remember when players on the other end of these incidents would try and mitigate on behalf of the charged player but those days have long gone.

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Just got round to watching the Super League show. Big old argy bargy in the Wigan Saints game with punches thrown resulting in nothing more than a couple of yellow cards which underlines my point about different standards. Didn't improve my mood when the programme signed off with archive footage of Town getting mullered 70-10 by York. :fie:  :fie:  :fie:

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Just got round to watching the Super League show. Big old argy bargy in the Wigan Saints game with punches thrown resulting in nothing more than a couple of yellow cards which underlines my point about different standards. Didn't improve my mood when the programme signed off with archive footage of Town getting mullered 70-10 by York. :fie:  :fie:  :fie:

 

I was there. Brough bombed the life out of us

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Jarrod sammut gets a caution for a dangerous throw.

You mean a good tackle!  Didn't even know it had been put on report. The game is going to the dogs. This isn't the great sport I grew up with due,mainly ,to the fact that it is run by morons in suits who have absolutely no idea what life is like in the lower echelons of Rugby League. At this time of remembrance of the Great War I recall the phrase "Lions led by donkeys". I mean no disrespect to the fallen of all sides in that ultimately futile conflict but the sentiment translates to the way our great Game is being ruined by the asses at Red Hall.

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Seaton Sandy , are you Uncle Albert in disguise?

...when I was in the war etc , when I grew up etc haha unfortunately the games moved on and in the age of Lawsuits and health n safety they clamp down on all things like this......it's a shame but that's the way it is.

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Seaton Sandy , are you Uncle Albert in disguise?

...when I was in the war etc , when I grew up etc haha unfortunately the games moved on and in the age of Lawsuits and health n safety they clamp down on all things like this......it's a shame but that's the way it is.

No, but I think you would probably make a passable rendition of Trigger--possibly a tad lower on the I.Q. score. How many handles have you had on your broom now?  What exactly are "All these things " They " are clamping down on?  Did you see the tackle in question or were you just  listening on Sheep Radio? If you are happy to see the Greatest Game immasculated so be it. Apologies if my employment of words of more than 2 syllables unsettled you. Yours Dave..

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You mean a good tackle!  Didn't even know it had been put on report. The game is going to the dogs. This isn't the great sport I grew up with due,mainly ,to the fact that it is run by morons in suits who have absolutely no idea what life is like in the lower echelons of Rugby League. At this time of remembrance of the Great War I recall the phrase "Lions led by donkeys". I mean no disrespect to the fallen of all sides in that ultimately futile conflict but the sentiment translates to the way our great Game is being ruined by the asses at Red Hall.

Just watched the match highlights Sandy and the throw in question wasn't put on report, and I cant remember JS being cautioned in all the match, so I am assuming Oldham must has mentioned it SS, must be worried what JS can do eh  ;)

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I've seen the tackle SS and in years gone by it was fine but rfl don't like people been lifted and dumped as they fear that the man being tackled loses his protection as his legs are off the floor and therefore he struggles to prevent himself from being tipped on his head or injuring his neck. So as you mull over my comment carry on stroking your white beard thinking over which long word you can pluck from the depths of your mind to make yourself sound cleverer than the rest of us.

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I've seen the tackle SS and in years gone by it was fine but rfl don't like people been lifted and dumped as they fear that the man being tackled loses his protection as his legs are off the floor and therefore he struggles to prevent himself from being tipped on his head or injuring his neck. So as you mull over my comment carry on stroking your white beard thinking over which long word you can pluck from the depths of your mind to make yourself sound cleverer than the rest of us.

Jesus! Will you listen to yourself? So players can't be tackled when their legs are off the floor ? Maybe they should all wear diver's boots to make sure they are ,at all times, in contact with the pitch .  Mulling over your comments  isn't an attractive option given the lack of substance to any of them . You may have seen the tackle in question on some form of highlights but if you'd been there you would have seen nothing untoward. Don't need a lot of beard - stroking to access the appropriate language to meet your input but you do a disservice to many other contributers by including them in your "rest of us "comment . There are some very savvy posters on here who don't resent informed opinion and I give due respect to their views.

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Just watched the match highlights Sandy and the throw in question wasn't put on report, and I cant remember JS being cautioned in all the match, so I am assuming Oldham must has mentioned it SS, must be worried what JS can do eh  ;)

 

 

Was straight in front of me and I thought it a decent strong tackle, thought the rules said above the horizontal, this was not, and Yes they are worried

Roughyeds must have cited Jarrod in the hope of getting him a ban. Those challenges were always part and parcel of the game that I grew up with - Rugby was always old school in Peckham!  Sammut has the pedigree to get us out of this -he has been the difference in our last 3 games. Trying to psyche myself up for another trip down the M6 - gets harder by the day for us old bearded mariners! I remember when we were  escorting a fleet of minesweepers through Scapa Flow ----zzzzzzzzzzz! 

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SS I've been away so to answer a point you made how is discussing the Rfl rules relating to players being dumped on their heads and necks not worthwhile input ?

I don't think in any of my posts I said I agreed with the caution and neither did I say Sammuts tackle was worthy of one.

I agree with you that Oldham were trying it on to see if they could get him banned as they are now looking over their shoulders , let's hope we get the win next week. UTT.

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SS I've been away so to answer a point you made how is discussing the Rfl rules relating to players being dumped on their heads and necks not worthwhile input ?

I don't think in any of my posts I said I agreed with the caution and neither did I say Sammuts tackle was worthy of one.

I agree with you that Oldham were trying it on to see if they could get him banned as they are now looking over their shoulders , let's hope we get the win next week. UTT.

You say you "saw" the Sammut tackle in question,presumably on video, and you say that in "years gone by it was acceptable"implying clearly that these days it isn't. For those who saw it in real time it was nothing more than a good,robust challenge which the match officials treated accordingly . No trauma to the head or kneck intended or caused. The fact that Oldham have tried to have him banned via the back door is even more incentive to beat them next week. My original post on this subject was intended to highlight the undeniable inconsistencies in the way that the Disciplinary Panel deal with referrals from all 3 tiers of Rugby League. Regrettably you chose to reply in a manner which was crass and ageist and implied that this forum has no room for those who are not monosylabic ....( I think that's 5 ). Signing off now as I'm off to have my beard trimmed up Peckham High Street. 

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So did Oldham write to the RFL and ask them to look at it? If the ref didn't put it on report how had it gone further.

The match review panel look at the videos of all games and can recommend action if they think it's necessary.

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So is that how Ward got charged with a grade C ?

Don't know. A player can be referred by the on field officials, the match commissioner who might have seen something the officials missed, or can be cited by the opposition who can ask the panel to look at the video evidence. Could be any one of those methods.

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So is that how Ward got charged with a grade C ?

Don't know. A player can be referred by the on field officials, the match commissioner who might have seen something the officials missed, or can be cited by the opposition who can ask the panel to look at the video evidence. Could be any one of those methods.

The incident was indeed picked up by the RFL's Match Review Panel, whose charge against the Oldham forward carries a recommended sanction of two to three matches.

The case now goes to the sport's Disciplinary Committee on Tuesday­.

Ward has the option of submitting an Early Guilty Plea but even that would carry a two-match ban.

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