Lowdesert Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 News yesterday of the Club in turmoil and confusing comments within l'Independent, 18.9.16, alluded to Taylor being asked to leave the Club. "Taylor and Carney on departure" - "But another player says goodbye to Gilbert Brutus yesterday. The mainstay Dave Taylor, yet under contract, is bound. His gesture of annoyance when his coach asked him to leave testifies to its bad state of mind". "Finally, Todd Carney will also be part of the convoy of starters and players leaving the club, knowing that Super League clubs are already positioning themselves to enlist. "It is true we are looking for a team manager to work in tandem with Frayssinous.....". (Mick Potter). "The Dragons have therefore initiated a profound change with the arrival of a team manager and confirmed departures of Escare, Munis, Mason, Richards, Maria, Elima, Stewart and Robin and future of Carney and Taylor." On top of the aforementioned, Pellisiers agent is still openly touting him around SL clubs. Begs several questions for me. Where does Guasch seem to think he can get another quality stand off? Or is a deal done? Discounting Mason, they will be losing 6 forwards. 3 of those, Elima, Taylor and Stewart can still do the business. One ex Cats player muted to return. 6 forwards! Where will these come from? Is Guasch doing a Marwan by too much influence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 News yesterday of the Club in turmoil and confusing comments within l'Independent, 18.9.16, alluded to Taylor being asked to leave the Club. "Taylor and Carney on departure" - "But another player says goodbye to Gilbert Brutus yesterday. The mainstay Dave Taylor, yet under contract, is bound. His gesture of annoyance when his coach asked him to leave testifies to its bad state of mind". "Finally, Todd Carney will also be part of the convoy of starters and players leaving the club, knowing that Super League clubs are already positioning themselves to enlist. "It is true we are looking for a team manager to work in tandem with Frayssinous.....". (Mick Potter). "The Dragons have therefore initiated a profound change with the arrival of a team manager and confirmed departures of Escare, Munis, Mason, Richards, Maria, Elima, Stewart and Robin and future of Carney and Taylor." On top of the aforementioned, Pellisiers agent is still openly touting him around SL clubs. Begs several questions for me. Where does Guasch seem to think he can get another quality stand off? Or is a deal done? Discounting Mason, they will be losing 6 forwards. 3 of those, Elima, Taylor and Stewart can still do the business. One ex Cats player muted to return. 6 forwards! Where will these come from? Is Guasch doing a Marwan by too much influence? Elima is no longer effective and has hardly played this year so no loss. For me Maria, Taylor and Stewart are the only real losses; Stewart's reasons for leaving are understandable and if Taylor is a bad egg then that too is understandable. In the forwards, I would expect with another off season, more the academy to step up. I'm sure more will be seen of Navarette, DeZaria, Seguir, and possibly Belmas, with Margalet and Perez to return. Mickalezyk may even make the step up. Garcia will move back from the centres too. Obviously those players aren't of the same quality as Stewart and Taylor so they'll need to recruit too, but their backs are more of a concern in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevereed100 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Kevin Larroyer to return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Kevin Larroyer to return? Probably. Not really seen much of him, but he seems to be mentioned more than most. I doubt Springer will want to leave Cas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Wiganer Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Well, they have a lot of potential new recruits. This clear out may be exactly what they need. I thought Carney might have visa issues, but he is far too talented not to have a very long queue of clubs after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Well, they have a lot of potential new recruits. This clear out may be exactly what they need. I thought Carney might have visa issues, but he is far too talented not to have a very long queue of clubs after him. Hardly, any well respected club wouldn't touch Carney with a barge pole. Some desperate struggling club will want him though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx RL Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Hardly, any well respected club wouldn't touch Carney with a barge pole. Some desperate struggling club will want him though A signing that will shock the world of rugby league about to be made public... - Adepto Successu Per Tributum Fuga - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Eel Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 A signing that will shock the world of rugby league about to be made public... More shocking than LE's news that was going to rock the rugby league world to the core? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 More shocking than LE's news that was going to rock the rugby league world to the core? Don't hold your breath on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 If Taylor's shown poor attitude in the club's eyes, it hasn't been on the pitch. He's bust a gut, when the Catalans were doing well, and also when they started to fall apart. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 If Taylor's shown poor attitude in the club's eyes, it hasn't been on the pitch. He's bust a gut, when the Catalans were doing well, and also when they started to fall apart. I don't honestly believe the majority of Cats fans would know a good player when they saw one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I'd have Taylor at Hull in a heartbeat. Can you imagine him in our already massive pack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I'd have Taylor at Hull in a heartbeat. Can you imagine him in our already massive pack? I'm not sure you could fit the food bill under the salary cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabbitRhinoovOZ Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 It wont happen but Castleford would be the right place for Carney under DP's guidance. I will never understand Dave Taylor he should be spoken of as the best RL player in the world with his size and skill set but he just drifts from club to club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 It wont happen but Castleford would be the right place for Carney under DP's guidance. I will never understand Dave Taylor he should be spoken of as the best RL player in the world with his size and skill set but he just drifts from club to club. Quite clearly can't fit in. If he has form for this no one can blame cats for letting him go... Same with Carney, only there as he can't get a gig at home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Quite clearly can't fit in. If he has form for this no one can blame cats for letting him go... Perhaps he keeps pinching his teammates' lunches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookey Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm amazed that many RL clubs,not just Catalans,dont take more notice of character/personality/family/past injuries/disciplinary record etc,when they sign a player.They seem to repeatedly sign players based solely on their playing ability and then somehow hope that their history/problems dont reoccur.Maybe it's down to the limited supply of suitable players but no other profession would sign people who have repeatedly failed elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnyia Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 They're putting this year down to experience ! As a self employed plumber It's difficult enough forcing yourself to go to work in summer down here so imagine only working 3 hours a day,being a star,single and in a holiday resort! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnyia Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Also getting players with a wife, and children of school age to come to a foreign country with a foreign language must be difficult, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm amazed that many RL clubs,not just Catalans,dont take more notice of character/personality/family/past injuries/disciplinary record etc,when they sign a player.They seem to repeatedly sign players based solely on their playing ability and then somehow hope that their history/problems dont reoccur.Maybe it's down to the limited supply of suitable players but no other profession would sign people who have repeatedly failed elsewhere. Rhubarb. Taylor's played at 4 Clubs. One well known coach, at Brisbane, thought he was one of the most naturally gifted players. Maybe that why other clubs have signed him? Myler has played at the same number of clubs. Does that make him a failure or even Ian Henderson, where Cats where his 5th Club? Players are absolutely signed on their ability and feedback from others who know that player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvy wg Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Also getting players with a wife, and children of school age to come to a foreign country with a foreign language must be difficult, Either you sign a player with no wife and he'll roam the coast to find one or you sign a player with a wife and kids and it's too difficult for them. Louis Anderson has 7 or 8 kids, speaks French and even a fair bit of Catalan. It's all about how much they want to put in. Unfortunately, Carney and Taylor are lazy. They want the most while doing the least. Whitehead doesn't speak French, drinks a lot (of beer, the Rosbeef!) and actually played like a god. He wasn't lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gates1 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Also getting players with a wife, and children of school age to come to a foreign country with a foreign language must be difficult, If you think it is hard attracting players to live in the South of France I can only assume you have never been to Cas, Salford or Wigan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvy wg Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 If you think it is hard attracting players to live in the South of France I can only assume you have never been to Cas, Salford or Wigan! I think Barnyia has had his fair share of English clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapski Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Catalans lose a few games and a few players and in so called turmoil. Goodness knows how this place will go on if they got relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnyia Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I mean the language ! I'm originally from wigan/ Leigh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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