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I take a passing interest in US politics and the 2016 race is shaping up nicely!

 

The republican candidates (all 17 a this time) will be fighting it out, and usually swinging to the right to gain the nomination.  They then have to swing back to the centre for the actual election (something for Labour to think about?).

 

The Democrats have 8 candidates, though Mrs Clinton is in the prime seat.

 

And then throw in Trump! 

 

By 2017 we could have Trump and Johnson running our 2 countries....

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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I have been putting to the Democrats I work with whether they would like Trump to win the Republican nomination.  It would probably mean a Democrat President, but then there is that risk of him in the White House.

 

The Republicans will come up with someone and that someone is likely to be Jeb Bush.  Hilary Clinton is very unlikeable to me me and many others, which could be a major issue.  Too often this is dismissed as sexism and in some cases it is, but she also is very difficult to warm to.  In the test of whom would I rather have a pint in the pub with, Jeb Bush would win.

"You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014

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I think I'd prefer Elizabeth Warren as the democratic candidate.

 

The republicans will face the same issue they did last time, to get the nomination you need the 'tea party' vote but to win the election you need to be towards the centre.  It's hard to say one thing to the right and centre at the same time.

 

Trump is awful, just awful, but he's leading some polls.

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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I have been putting to the Democrats I work with whether they would like Trump to win the Republican nomination.  It would probably mean a Democrat President, but then there is that risk of him in the White House.

 

The Republicans will come up with someone and that someone is likely to be Jeb Bush.  Hilary Clinton is very unlikeable to me me and many others, which could be a major issue.  Too often this is dismissed as sexism and in some cases it is, but she also is very difficult to warm to.  In the test of whom would I rather have a pint in the pub with, Jeb Bush would win.

I get exactly what you say about Hillary Clinton. She sometimes comes across as very capable and experienced, but also drops a few truly awful clangers and gives off a very detached and impersonal air at times. 

 

Trump comes across to me as a truly awful and unintentionally hilarious candidate, but in politics, being certain often seems to be more important than being right. And I can see how he would appeal to certain areas of the electorate. His repeated anti-Obama showboating since the latter became president may be laughable to an outsider, but given enough power, he could make a bigger mess of the country than he already has as a business disaster area.

Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

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I'm rooting for bernie sanders and he's gaining a lot of momentum pulling in the biggest crowds of not only the democratic candidates but the republicans as well in not just liberal states like Iowa, New Hampshire but in toss up and red states like Arizona, Texas and Colorado.

I think the republican establishment would baulk at the idea of Donald trump getting the nomination just like Sarah palin. These people only appeal to a certain section of the conservatives and are just used to whip up these groups and gain headlines but if we're going to see a republican in the White House then they need to appeal to the African American and Latino voters. As for Hilary Clinton just like Jeb bush they are seen as a safe pair of hands for the elites, the 1% that run the US. In the pockets of Wall Street, corporate America, the MIC, the banks and other various lobby groups like AIPAC and the Saudis.

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It still baffles me that a country with so much wealth & power has so many dumb people who have voted for the Bush's over the years

 

When the alternative is a Sarah Palin or a Donald Trump then a Bush seems a very sensible choice. :dry:

"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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When the alternative is a Sarah Palin or a Donald Trump then a Bush seems a very sensible choice. :dry:

And if all else fails, Bush has the Florida Supreme Court to back him up, just like they did with his brother. :ph34r:

"When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout"

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It still baffles me that a country with so much wealth & power has so many dumb people who have voted for the Bush's over the years

It baffles me even more that so many Americans vote for either party. Both party's couldn't careless about the average working/middle class American, they just serve the elite and 1% with yet even more tax cuts for the super rich and even some corporations paying no tax at all.

Obama is no different to G.W bush and Hilary Clinton will be no different to Jeb bush.

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It baffles me even more that so many Americans vote for either party. Both party's couldn't careless about the average working/middle class American, they just serve the elite and 1% with yet even more tax cuts for the super rich and even some corporations paying no tax at all.

Obama is no different to G.W bush and Hilary Clinton will be no different to Jeb bush.

 

Like the Tories and Labour, they are close in some areas but miles apart in others.

 

Obama has had a good month, but he is struggling with the system.  It's clear he'd love to do more and go further on many issues but lacks the power.  Obamacare is a halfway fudge, but probably the best he could do.

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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The NJ governor Christie is a name to watch

 

He will get attacked due to his weight, his issues in New Jersey and his support of Obama (rightfully in the case of Storm Sandy).

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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It baffles me even more that so many Americans vote for either party. Both party's couldn't careless about the average working/middle class American, they just serve the elite and 1% with yet even more tax cuts for the super rich and even some corporations paying no tax at all.

Obama is no different to G.W bush and Hilary Clinton will be no different to Jeb bush.

It starts to make sense to me when I realize how undemocratic the system is.  Having people registered to their parties helps the tribalism, forming a new party is close to impossible in any meaningful way and the system means that people who vited for Perot ended up with Clinton. 

The final nail is that both parties are funded by the same people.  The famous Kock brothers also fund the Democrats, so they have sway either way.

"You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014

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Bernie Sanders is my man. He will certainly make things interesting for the Democratic vote

He versus Donald Trump would make an interesting Presidential contest.  I certainly know who I think would win.

"You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014

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He will get attacked due to his weight, his issues in New Jersey and his support of Obama (rightfully in the case of Storm Sandy).

yes he is a bit overweight

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FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB HAS DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESSTHEN i DONT KNOW WHAT IS.

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Bernie sanders must be doing well as the attacks from the right wing are ramping up, especially from fox "news". FEEL THE BURN

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Now there's another one:

 

"Ohio Gov. John Kasich on Tuesday announced he will join the 2016 Republican primary race for the White House, telling voters he has the “skills and experience” to restore the American dream."

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It starts to make sense to me when I realize how undemocratic the system is.  Having people registered to their parties helps the tribalism, forming a new party is close to impossible in any meaningful way and the system means that people who vited for Perot ended up with Clinton. 

The final nail is that both parties are funded by the same people.  The famous Kock brothers also fund the Democrats, so they have sway either way.

Its not just a fault of the system, its the stupidity of the people in not knowing how to use it and then complaining their duly elected cant deliver.

The people voted to have a democrat as their president but then stupidly voted to have a republican majority in the senate knowing that they would just block almost every policy a democrat president would try to implement - How stupid are they !

Its like electing a turkey to organise christmas and then bringing in a butcher to look after your turkey  - you just know the butcher will cut the turkeys head off long before christmas arrives !

 

Americans - Dont you just love em !

 

ps. If my American boss in Denver is reading I was only joking about all Americans being stupid -  I assume as your in a Democrat state I wont be  getting a visist from some loonie gun toting republican :D

St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions

 

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The system has another major flaw which, sadly, is shared by the Australian system. By allocating 2 Senators to each state, originally to protect the interests of the states following Federation, they have produced a very un-democratic result. California has 19 million people per Senator whereas Wyoming has only 290,000

 

(In OZ it is just as bad: NSW with 7.5million people has 12 Senators, as does Tasmania with 500K)

 

You can have a majority in the USA Senate representing only about 20% of the population. The obvious area where this comes in is with protectionist agricultural policies.

 

You would need a Constitutional amendment to change this and any change to the USA Constitution is considered almost treasonous by many Yanks - despite the fact that most of the original framers of their Constitution (the Founding Fathers) were still in office when the first amendments were made. If they didn't think constitutional change was such a big deal, why do modern Americans?

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Maybe Trump was right about McCain -

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/29/opinion/selling-off-apache-holy-land.html?_r=0

 

It’s worth noting that Rio Tinto affiliates have been McCain campaign contributors, and that Mr. Flake, before he made it to Congress, was a paid lobbyist for Rio Tinto Rössing Uranium (a huge uranium mine in Namibia). Mr. McCain and others assert that the mining project will be a boost to the local economy, though it’s unclear how many of the 1,400 promised jobs would be local; a Superior-area miners’ group, in fact, opposes the swap on the basis that it won’t help the local people or economy. Rio Tinto, incidentally, has been called out in the past for environmental devastation.

 

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Jeeze this is about as corrup as it gets without earning yourself time behind bars. We get all het up over Lords snorting a bit of charlie with hookers while American brazenly ignore practces like this - unbelievable !

Even Blair and his non-existent WMD's look tame compared to this.

St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions

 

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