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  1. 1. See descriptions in first post! What's your flavour of Brexit:

    • Hard-boiled
      5
    • Medium-hard
      4
    • Medium
      4
    • Soft-medium
      1
    • Soft
      7
    • Raw
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I thought it'd be interesting to get the forum view on your preferred flavour of Brexit.  Here's my definitions, not sure who will agree with them but they're what I see anyway:

 

These are EXAMPLES only to set a rough tone for each level:

Hard-boiled Brexit: no free movement, no single market, we pay the EU nothing and they get nothing special over any other nation in the world.

Medium-hard:  no free movement, no single market but we'd compromise or even pay for customs unions (or equivalent)

Medium:  no free movement, single market would be nice but we won't compromise anything significant to get it

Soft-medium: Single market is a desire and we compromise quite a bit to get it but still free movement would be a last resort compromise

Soft: Single market is a near essential and we compromise a lot for it

Raw: You can take your Brexit and insert it somewhere painful, we're staying in the EU.

"When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout"

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I voted: soft

I've voted, but I'm not telling which way :tongue:  :tongue: :tongue:  :tongue:  :tongue:  

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I thought it'd be interesting to get the forum view on your preferred flavour of Brexit. Here's my definitions, not sure who will agree with them but they're what I see anyway:

These are EXAMPLES only to set a rough tone for each level:

Hard-boiled Brexit: no free movement, no single market, we pay the EU nothing and they get nothing special over any other nation in the world.

Medium-hard: no free movement, no single market but we'd compromise or even pay for customs unions (or equivalent)

Medium: no free movement, single market would be nice but we won't compromise anything significant to get it

Soft-medium: Single market is a desire and we compromise quite a bit to get it but still free movement would be a last resort compromise

Soft: Single market is a near essential and we compromise a lot for it

Raw: You can take your Brexit and insert it somewhere painful, we're staying in the EU.

I'd swap round medium hard and mediun there tbh

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Raw for me as anything from up to and including medium hardly seems worth the enormous effort and cost it's going to take to get us there. The ones beyond medium would leave the UK too isolated and IMO would be too costly to the economy and the fabric of our society for at least my lifetime, possibly beyond.

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Me too - don't want us to leave but I think the ramifications of us ignoring the referendum for a social point of view are too great a risk.

I can see where you're coming from.  But I believe people were misled by the "outers"   I've been watching a documentary about Prohibition in the US.  They used similar tactics to the outers.  Took their time, strongarmed legislators into backing them, and finally got what they wanted.  The people voted for it.  And it was an unmitigated disaster.  I think we should look twice before we leap into the unknown.

Farage was on TV the other night gloating.  He looks very much like I imagine the serpent must have looked when Eve got Adam to eat of the forbidden fruit.

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Raw

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Me too - don't want us to leave but I think the ramifications of us ignoring the referendum for a social point of view are too great a risk.

 

 

Thats about where I am on the subject.

 

Though I doubt the hard brexit lot will ever stop.

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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I'd vote raw.

However, there is a bit of the barsteward in me that wants the hardest of hard exits to teach the brexiters a lesson in 'beware the consequences of your actions'.

Of course, living in Greece, that would really be cutting off my nose to spite my face. Still, I've no intention of entering any beauty contests in the near future!

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Me too - don't want us to leave but I think the ramifications of us ignoring the referendum for a social point of view are too great a risk.

That's my view and why I went "soft".  That said, the persistent and increasing petulance of the Brexiteers is making me more willing to watch the world burn by taking my own extreme position.

"When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout"

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I think this poll is perhaps demonstrating how this forum does not display a true cross section of society???

Actually it's almost spot on. At the minute 17 people have voted for no brexit and 17 have voted for Brexit splitting the vote into all the variations. It's a good example of how difficult it's going to be to please the Brexit voters.

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Actually it's almost spot on. At the minute 17 people have voted for no brexit and 17 have voted for Brexit splitting the vote into all the variations. It's a good example of how difficult it's going to be to please the Brexit voters.

Yup, about 18% look suitable as sympathetic to UKIP when Brexit is "betrayed".

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Actually it's almost spot on. At the minute 17 people have voted for no brexit and 17 have voted for Brexit splitting the vote into all the variations. It's a good example of how difficult it's going to be to please the Brexit voters.

 

Undoubtedly, some of the Brexit votes, particularly those labelled as 'soft', will have been cast by those who voted remain. If I was to correct your assessment I'd say: Its a good example of how difficult it's going to be to please all the voters.

 

I think Ed Balls summed this up quite well for me this morning. He reckoned there was about 10% 2nd referendum hold onto EU membership for dear life, 30% hard brexiteer out as soon as possible, and a further 60% in the middle; who are now just keen to get on with leaving the EU, but are willing to compromise some elements for the best deal possible.

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I thought it'd be interesting to get the forum view on your preferred flavour of Brexit.  Here's my definitions, not sure who will agree with them but they're what I see anyway:

 

These are EXAMPLES only to set a rough tone for each level:

Hard-boiled Brexit: no free movement, no single market, we pay the EU nothing and they get nothing special over any other nation in the world.

Medium-hard:  no free movement, no single market but we'd compromise or even pay for customs unions (or equivalent)

Medium:  no free movement, single market would be nice but we won't compromise anything significant to get it

Soft-medium: Single market is a desire and we compromise quite a bit to get it but still free movement would be a last resort compromise

Soft: Single market is a near essential and we compromise a lot for it

Raw: You can take your Brexit and insert it somewhere painful, we're staying in the EU.

Couldn't really vote for any of your options as they only focus on 2 points, free movement and free market access.

 

For me its about striking a compromise between 4 key elements;

1 - The amount of financial contributions we make into the EU

2 - The level of political influence we allow the EU to have over the UK (whether they can impose directives on us)

3 - Free movement (and the ability to control it I some way) 

4 - Single market access (including how much we pay for it)

 

For me the priority would be points 1 and 2.

I'd want to see significantly lower contributions into the EU coffers as I don't agree with using British taxes to support other EU countries economies. 

Also high on my priority would be the ability to not have any sort of directives imposed on us that we don't want or that are not in the interests of the country (though I would be happy to accept some trade directives in return for full market access).

The ability to have some control over free movement would be nice or at least the ability to be able to discourage free movement by preventing access to our benefits system to those who don't really contribute to the UK economy until they've actually contributed into the system (the unskilled, low paid)

Similarly with the single market, keeping full access would be nice but not at any cost. If the EU ends up demanding more than we pay now then I'd be happy to walk away, but in return it would give us full control over items 1, 2 & 3.

 

Striking a reasonable balance between these 4 items is what I'd be looking for the government to achieve. I don't think we should be going into the negotiations with set demands, leave everything open for discussion but just start with a wish list. But internally have a set of sliding scales whereby if we give up more than we want on one particular item we let it be know that we expect them to compromise more on another.

So for example, if the EU insist there's no movement from them on say free movement then they have to accept we'll contribute significantly less into the coffers. So there's a fair trade off between both parties.

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One of the biggest arguments seem to be about free movement within the EU. I think the first summer that we are withdrawn from the Schengen agreement, and UK Nationals will need a visa to go to Mallorca, Benidorm, Algarve, or France for a game against Catalans, then there will be some disagreement

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One of the biggest arguments seem to be about free movement within the EU. I think the first summer that we are withdrawn from the Schengen agreement, and UK Nationals will need a visa to go to Mallorca, Benidorm, Algarve, or France for a game against Catalans, then there will be some disagreement

We aren't even in Schengen. One of the many carve-outs we have already secured down the years, but which were never enough for the headbangers.

I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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