Is it time for Kear to go?

[buford t justice]

All more or less unanimous in favour of him going on the terraces today.

How much longer can we the fans put up with him in charge?

[billybulldog]

Definatly

[silverback]

to think how gary thornton got treated after  a run of bad games on the trot i really dont understand why JK is still here, were dire and nothings changed for months.

[Dolmio Babcock]

Find it a tad strange there is a 50/50 vote on this poll there is obviously too many happy clappers at Batley, the coach has to go, we are awful, and in a awful situation, the performances are so bad it makes you so angry, please John for your own credibility, please move on now.

[phildog]

As I have posted in other topics, we have to thank John Kear for coming to Batley, and congratulate Kevin Nicholas pulling off the coup in the first place, it certainly raised our profile tremendously. What is happening at the moment is now considerably deflating that profile and we are going back to the bad times of being the rubbing rags. One opposition fan stated recently that he could only see us winning 3 more games all season; on current confidence and inspirational levels even that's a long shot. John himself must know that he can't inspire the squad anymore, and we must replace the entire coaching team and bring in a modern thinking coach as quickly as possible to give us chance to improve before the 8's to ensure we don't end up at the bottom of the pile in those.

[Bulldog Days]

John Kear - Appointed October 2011.

Season 2012 - Played 29 games (League & Cups). Won 17 = 58% win ratio.

Season 2013 - Played 35 games ( League & Cups). Won 23 = 65% win ratio.

Season 2014 - Played 28 games ( League & Challenge Cup). Won 12 = 42% win ratio.

Season 2015 to date - Played 18 games (League & Challenge Cup). Won 6 = 33% win ratio.

John, where do you feel it is going wrong, and what do you need to sort it? Do you honestly feel that you are capable of keeping us up and sorting the playing situation out? Do you have the necessary support to achieve Championship survival & team rebuilding? Please give us some honesty, as the majority of supporters are long standing, passionate to the core, and care about our Club who have a reputation for fighting, not rolling over.

[buford t justice]

Find it a tad strange there is a 50/50 vote on this poll there is obviously too many happy clappers at Batley, the coach has to go, we are awful, and in a awful situation, the performances are so bad it makes you so angry, please John for your own credibility, please move on now.

Bit of sabotage i'd say Dolmio, either that or theres less intelligent life on here than previously thought.

Some people must watch a different team to the rest of us.

[9' oller]

He should be the best coach in the division with his experience and involvement in media and punditry.

His game plans are too basic or too complicated.

The players either follow his coaching to the letter or go out and do as they please.

There have been far worse squads than this

[buford t justice]

In todays league express hes quoted as saying we dont need another half back.

The man has lost it.

Can any of the ones clicking No who arent Dewsbury fans post their reasoning?

[The Blues Ox]

I said before the season started that Batley's recruitment for this year was poor but I got shot down with some Batley fans saying they would make the top 4. Kear seems to be a 2 season coach at best and it is very rare that after that 2 years he is still able to get the best out of players, the only bright side if you can look at it like that is that its a surprise that Donny and Worky have been as bad as they have and thats really the only reason Batley will still be in this division next year.

[Bulldog Days]

I said before the season started that Batley's recruitment for this year was poor but I got shot down with some Batley fans saying they would make the top 4. Kear seems to be a 2 season coach at best and it is very rare that after that 2 years he is still able to get the best out of players, the only bright side if you can look at it like that is that its a surprise that Donny and Worky have been as bad as they have and thats really the only reason Batley will still be in this division next year.

You may have a good point Blues Ox. Looking at John Kear's Wakefield stats ,

2006. - Played 29 games, won 10. Win ratio of 34%.

2007 - Played 29 games, won 12. Win ratio of 41%.

2008 - Played 31 games, won 14. Win ratio of 45%.

2009 - Played 30 games, won 18. Win ratio of 60%.

2010 - Played 27 games, won 8 . Win ratio of 29%.

2011 - Played 29 games, won 8. Win ratio of 27%.

He clearly peaked in season 2009 after improving seasons, then took a fairly dramatic nosedive in the following 2 seasons before he was sacked. He peaked with us on a 65% win ratio in 2013, and is now in the 2nd 'nosedive' season. The 'whys & wherefores' need to be addressed immediately, and a serious plan of action implemented to stop the rot.

[DewsburyRams4ever]

Us Dewsbury fans think he's doing a marvellous job, and long may it continue!

[GoldDog]

Bit of sabotage i'd say Dolmio, either that or theres less intelligent life on here than previously thought.

Some people must watch a different team to the rest of us.

 

BTF, you can't really organise a poll and then slag off people because the outcome isn't the one you wanted. 

[buford t justice]

BTF, you can't really organise a poll and then slag off people because the outcome isn't the one you wanted.

Get a grip - Surely I'm allowed an opinion too regardless whether i started the poll or not.

This isnt the house of commons, its an internet forum for people to discuss issues and express opinions.

[Lone Drinker]

I'm undecided.

 

Before Summer Bash I would have said 'no', at half-time I was still convinced we would win. As demonstrated above JK's record in those first two years was good and his recruitment worked well.

 

I've always been of the opinion that last season was difficult because of the incredible turnover of players we had, many of whom left for bigger and better things. However, he's had two preseasons since then and I was expecting us to correct some of the mistakes that were made after 2013.

 

I'm tempted to say we don't change just yet but then realistically what is going to change?

 

We've got three of our better players to come back from injury including the key stand-off position. That should provide a boost and maybe trigger some better form. Running with such a small squad and without DR we're seemingly always going to be a couple of injuries away from a crisis.

[DOGFATHER]

Just playing devils advocate here, but we have lost all but 2 games up to yesterday by less than 7 points. We ran a sl club very close in the cup. We had less money from central funding than the majority of teams above us, realistically what did people expect going in to the season? In terms of a hb, southerwood will be back in couple of weeks and nico shouldn't be too far off then either, so we will be back to full strength and we have tried to sign a number of hbs over recent weeks, all of which fell through for varying reasons. The centre situation is still a bit of a mystery, and jk is no different to any other coach, or person for that matter, in having favourites. Personally I have no time for either Leak or Bretherton, both are a waste of a shirt imo, but I'm not the coach. JK seems to think it is good to have a hb making 40+ tackles a game, I would rather they defended like sweepers, like 2nd fullbacks picking up any players who manage to break the defensive line or slow them down enough for a forward to hammer them. He doesn't seem to mind having a centre who has no pace, and therefore struggles defensively and isn't a great distributor either. However one of the rumours going around yesterday for JKs job was Paul March, if he is the option, I'd stick with what we have thanks.

[Johndeere]

Just playing devils advocate here, but we have lost all but 2 games up to yesterday by less than 7 points. We ran a sl club very close in the cup. We had less money from central funding than the majority of teams above us, realistically what did people expect going in to the season? In terms of a hb, southerwood will be back in couple of weeks and nico shouldn't be too far off then either, so we will be back to full strength and we have tried to sign a number of hbs over recent weeks, all of which fell through for varying reasons. The centre situation is still a bit of a mystery, and jk is no different to any other coach, or person for that matter, in having favourites. Personally I have no time for either Leak or Bretherton, both are a waste of a shirt imo, but I'm not the coach. JK seems to think it is good to have a hb making 40+ tackles a game, I would rather they defended like sweepers, like 2nd fullbacks picking up any players who manage to break the defensive line or slow them down enough for a forward to hammer them. He doesn't seem to mind having a centre who has no pace, and therefore struggles defensively and isn't a great distributor either. However one of the rumours going around yesterday for JKs job was Paul March, if he is the option, I'd stick with what we have thanks.

You say you have no time for Bretherton or Leak ......both playing out of position !!....and both would prefer to play in their proper positions I'm sure ....their both putting their future contracts at risk by doing so ....Leak is a hooker as he showed yesterday ...I was told when he moved there yesterday things started to happen and he looked much sharper than the previous hooker

Bretherton I'm sure would like to play where he's happier .....in the pack

It's not their fault their playing there !!

There's many players not playing up their potential ........

[coolie]

In todays league express hes quoted as saying we dont need another half back.

The man has lost it.

Can any of the ones clicking No who arent Dewsbury fans post their reasoning?

Damn!!!

We've been rumbled

I voted no because he's doing a sterling job

No money,very little talent in the squad

And he's still turning out a team and performance's... Yeah often losing ones but as Kevin N pointed out a lot of competing and narrow defeats

Kear can only play the hand he's been dealt thru financial restraints, halfback of a certain quality are not two a penny

You won't go down unfortunately

But need to flush your veins with local talent

As that's what gives you the bulldog bite

Little man syndrome.. Aka classic example Handforth

This is the kind of recruit you need

On the lines of rather than the man himself

[phildog]

Thanks JohnDeere for agreeing with point about those players playing out of position not begging the coach to do so. And for those who say they don't rate leek or Bretherton, neither have let us down when played in their own positions. As someone else mentioned, 40 odd tackles from Leek, the guy's worth a shirt just for that. AND he put the guys in for both tries at Blackpool, plus grabbing a few himself recently. Bretherton at second row has always given 100%, so don't blame players out of position, blame the coach/board/man in the moon for not having the playing strength in the first place. As for players due to return, Southernwood hasn't broken any pots when he's been in the team, I expected more of him attack wise, expected 2 22/23 year old halves to be able to run the show, let's hope that when Southernwood is back they click quickly and learn how to put effective kicks through. If they need help in how to kick aggressively somebody ring Henry Oulton, he'll show them some tricks. Never be afraid to learn from an ex, older player, like the old Stainburn/Geary move, we 've got men who could work that. Anything that breaks up the batter 'em down one man stuff.

[cally]

In todays league express hes quoted as saying we dont need another half back.

The man has lost it.

Can any of the ones clicking No who arent Dewsbury fans post their reasoning?

[cally]

Because I am allowed an opinion as well.we had a very poor run of form before getting to the final with some great results.i still think with southernwood,nico and especially cambell back for the middle eights we will be a match for anyone.

[TheTerminator]

Bring back Peter Regan and Rick Rolt.

[DOGFATHER]

You say you have no time for Bretherton or Leak ......both playing out of position !!....and both would prefer to play in their proper positions I'm sure ....their both putting their future contracts at risk by doing so ....Leak is a hooker as he showed yesterday ...I was told when he moved there yesterday things started to happen and he looked much sharper than the previous hooker

Bretherton I'm sure would like to play where he's happier .....in the pack

It's not their fault their playing there !!

There's many players not playing up their potential ........

I agree with you JD to an extent, but both players have played more out of position than in their so called preferred position. I guess I'm saying at what point do say a player is a halfback or a centre? Blake is another example of this, is he a hooker, hb or loose forward? Since joining us he has probably played similar amounts in all of these 3 positions. So I guess it depends on your definition of what constitutes a players position. In hindsight I should have put a waste of a shirt in the centre and at halfback. Personally I'd have tried brown at stand off before now as he is the best ball handler at the club

[Morleydog]

I'm afraid the time has come.

I certainly don't agree with some of the personal abuse he was getting from some of our supporters on Sunday.

I only hope he didn't hear it.

That is definitely not the way to go about it, but I think it is time for a change.

[greavesy]

Definitely time for a change with rumours of him losing the dressing room and no discernible changes in the way we play. When things are not working he does not appear to have a plan B or any desire to change things. If in life I kept doing the same things over and over and continually failing I would learn by my mistakes and try something different. This does seem to be beyond him.