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Ye Olde Blackpool Bash......profit or Loss ?


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I read on the Dewsbury forum that they had posted a loss of £4,000 on the Blackpool Bash weekend..

that is quite worrying.. especially as they did not have to fork out Winning pay..

I quite enjoy the Blackpool Bash.. win or loose.. and we took a few hundred supporters.. some good banter in the pubs and clubs..

the days attendance for our match was 6,391 and I take it that income is split 6 ways..?.. although I am not sure how or if the RFL share the takings..

KN said that if we didn't purchase our tickets from the Mount the club would not get the benefit and the RFL would take it...

Surely the RFL would not invite the clubs along to Blackpool and not pick up some if not all the bill...( obviously not the bar or hotel bill if clubs stay over )...IMO of course..

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without been privy to what losing pay the rams get , costs for the day would be same as an away game as hire of charabanc and payments for physio etc... cost of stewarding would be down to RFL as their event... and as KN said tickets brought from the club would benefit the club ... so going on that cost of a luxury chara for the day is about £800 so that would mean about 3200 plus whatever they made on ticket sales for 18 man squad losing pay and aux staff wages for the day

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The Dewsbury loss was based largely upon the requirements of the RFL for all of the clubs involved to pay out £6500 for tickets which they then had to subsequently try to sell. For that reason next year's Rams  season tickets will include the cost of a ticket for the Blackpool bash as the RFL has agreed that this can constitute a home match for all of the clubs involved (??). I suspect that other Championship clubs will do the same with their ST's.

 

Clubs aren't invited along to Blackpool but compelled to attend - it is a home game after all.

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So in reality

The rfl was making the club's stump up brass in advance to cover their expenditure costs of arranging the event thus in a indirect form of blackmail??

We're got a ridiculous idea

Now your going to fund it and risk any losses

Flip side

How much money did clubs recieve from the event as a whole??

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Never been probs due to the locality! Whitby or filey man myself

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Never been probs due to the locality! Whitby or filey man myself

 

Whitby and Filey would be nice ... but they would have to play on the beach!!  I can't think of a ground in the area!!   Now then Cleethorpes!!  ... East Coast and a decent ground ( Grimsby ) .... I don't like Blackpool,  ... anyone want to buy a ticket ???  ( discounted)

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So in reality

The rfl was making the club's stump up brass in advance to cover their expenditure costs of arranging the event thus in a indirect form of blackmail??

We're got a ridiculous idea

Now your going to fund it and risk any losses

Flip side

How much money did clubs recieve from the event as a whole??

 

 

MS said that the proposition was put to all of the clubs before they voted to accept it. Despite what many think the RFL cannot simply dictate terms to clubs, they are simply the executive who implement the decisions taken by all of the clubs. The problem that Dewsbury, and many others, had was that the fans didn't support the fixture in sufficient numbers (mea culpa).

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On the Rams forum it states that Dewsbury had to purchase 1000 tickets! Neither Batley or dewsbury has a home following of 1000 and certainly not to travel to Blackpool!

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On the Rams forum it states that Dewsbury had to purchase 1000 tickets! Neither Batley or dewsbury has a home following of 1000 and certainly not to travel to Blackpool!

 

 

Yeah, I was only there listening PM, so you must be right.

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Yeah, I was only there listening PM, so you must be right.

So did the Rams have to purchase 1000 or not BSJ? Was there any number given or is it a smoke screen. Good job there's a car boot 12 months of the year etc or the Rams would be busted eh! Goodness knows what would have happened if you hadn't got 50k for thacks eh you'd have needed them buckets from Fax

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So did the Rams have to purchase 1000 or not BSJ? Was there any number given or is it a smoke screen. Good job there's a car boot 12 months of the year etc or the Rams would be busted eh! Goodness knows what would have happened if you hadn't got 50k for thacks eh you'd have needed them buckets from Fax

 

Read what I posted PM, that's what was said.

 

Straw man arguments are a bit weak don't you think - or is it going to be a looooong close-season.

 

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So did the Rams have to purchase 1000 or not BSJ? Was there any number given or is it a smoke screen. Good job there's a car boot 12 months of the year etc or the Rams would be busted eh! Goodness knows what would have happened if you hadn't got 50k for thacks eh you'd have needed them buckets from Fax

 

PM, if all clubs had to cover their share of the expenditure (£6500 according to BSJ), then they'd have to sell around 540 tickets to break even (at an assumed average cost of about £12 each). Having to sell 1000 tickets sounds like the usual ignorance coming from certain parts of certain forums.

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Didn't realise clubs were forced into and so responsible for purchasing a set number of tickets by the RFL, sold or not. If you look at home support of each of the 12 clubs only Leigh and maybe Bradford on the odd occasion would get a 1000 through the gate, which makes the RFL look a bit stupid in assuming that just because they take everybody to the seaside every club's support will increase by around 35% for the day. By all means give clubs an allotment but on sale or return. Less profit on the sales but a profit due to not having to stand the cost of unsold tickets.

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Didn't realise clubs were forced into and so responsible for purchasing a set number of tickets by the RFL, sold or not. If you look at home support of each of the 12 clubs only Leigh and maybe Bradford on the odd occasion would get a 1000 through the gate, which makes the RFL look a bit stupid in assuming that just because they take everybody to the seaside every club's support will increase by around 35% for the day. By all means give clubs an allotment but on sale or return. Less profit on the sales but a profit due to not having to stand the cost of unsold tickets.

 

 

The BB was an initiative springing from a desire by the Championship clubs to have something to emulate Magic Weekend in SL as this was seen to be a sinificant promotion of the competition with TV exposure etc. Clubs felt that marketing and promotional opportunities would spring from this venture.  As such the RFL said that it needed to be self-sustaining, notwithstanding any sponsorship income. Hence the clubs weren't "forced into" anything - it was their initiative; if they wanted to abandon the concept (possibly after a 2017 review) then they can do so.

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The BB was an initiative springing from a desire by the Championship clubs to have something to emulate Magic Weekend in SL as this was seen to be a sinificant promotion of the competition with TV exposure etc. Clubs felt that marketing and promotional opportunities would spring from this venture.  As such the RFL said that it needed to be self-sustaining, notwithstanding any sponsorship income. Hence the clubs weren't "forced into" anything - it was their initiative; if they wanted to abandon the concept (possibly after a 2017 review) then they can do so.

Personally I'd be happy for the Big Bash to be abandoned.

1. It spoils the symmetry of each club playing each other home & away before breaking into the super eights.

2. To be equitable, clubs should be paired with a team of equivalent standard. There's no guarantee this will be achieved.

3. It's a long season - let the players have a holiday.

4. I'm always away at Spring Bank- so cannot attend.

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It needs changing to this

Yeah I know folk need notice

So I've taken into consideration this fact

1 vs 2

3 vs 4

5 vs 6

7 vs 8

9 vs 10

11 vs 12

This will be chosen at 5pm on the Sunday 2 weeks prior to the bash from that weeks league table

Personally I'd like it the week before but someone would moan

It would almost guarantee every game almost means something, if only a position.

Also move the challenge cup from bank holiday weekend in August

Really only a numpty would expect everyone to pay top dollar to go...there's gotta be easier weekends for the final

Jolly boys club of the rfl and it's hanger on's might enjoy their London freebies hobnobbing with the cockneys.. Having afternoon tea on the lawn at lizzie & phils gaff ;)

Earlier in the season would also help all

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Probably the best time to have it from a gate point of view would be opening day. Everyone is starved of rugby after the winter break and still full of enthusiasm from the close season signings. Trouble is, Blackpool is grim in August, it would be a real test of endurance trying to sit through more than one game on a cold and wet weekend in February.

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it would be a real test of endurance trying to sit through more than one game on a cold and wet weekend in February.

You'll be upsetting BSJ with that kinda of chatter DF how he longs for the heady days of winter rugby

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Personally I'd be happy for the Big Bash to be abandoned.

1. It spoils the symmetry of each club playing each other home & away before breaking into the super eights.

2. To be equitable, clubs should be paired with a team of equivalent standard. There's no guarantee this will be achieved.

3. It's a long season - let the players have a holiday.

4. I'm always away at Spring Bank- so cannot attend.

 

I agree on all four counts, and in particular 1 & 2. Add to that the fact that next season ST holders will be paying for the privilege whether they attend or not.

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Except BSJ wouldn't be wanting to sit down for three games of winter rugby, PM.

He'll be standing.

 

 

In my soft youth I actually sat in the old stand at Crown Flatt until it got burned down. A couple of winter seasons on the long stand toughened me up no end though.

 

Not wishing to stray off topic (too much) but what real benefit has summer RL brought to the game as a whole?

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I enjoy going out and watching a game a lot more in the summer. More opportunities for the clubs to have additional entertainment on like the singers we've had this year. I probably wouldn't buy a season ticket if it was through winter. Just go for the odd game.

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Not wishing to stray off topic (too much) but what real benefit has summer RL brought to the game as a whole?

Personally I'd prefer the season to start in September and end in May (like the good old days). There are plenty of things to do on a summer afternoon other than watch RL. And not much in the middle of November.

 

That said, it's easier to coax a ten year old daughter to Mount Pleasant in summer than when the weather's cold enough to make brass monkeys wear their thermals.

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