Cumbria1 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 On conference website on about duel reg totally disagree you sign pro forms with a club your not classed as an amature therefore should not be permitted to play for an amature team while still on pro forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Extract:- Dual registration is certainly something about which Super League and the Championship clubs appear to have differing views when considering the success of participation in such arrangements.Yet it would seem that the RFL are keen to enter such an arrangement with the amateur clubs to enable youngsters who are on the fringe of the Championship squads to be able to get some valuable game time whilst awaiting their first team opportunity.This is not something new, and in essence is a throwback to the old “permit” days when a limited number of professional players (two per club maximum) were able to play for an amateur club in the NW Counties League, if their professional club did not need their services.It was a move that had varying degrees of success and which was eventually phased out, particularly following the formation of the National League in 1986, which did not allow “permit” players to be part of their club set-ups.The reasons for this were simple. The NCL wanted to encourage more amateur players into the game at a time when seasoned ex-professionals and a couple of permit players could run amok against a team of naïve young amateurs. This was prevalent particularly in Yorkshire to such a degree, that it was felt they were discouraging future players from taking up the game.But nowadays the aim is to try and open the doors so that youngsters who are part of the professional set-up can maintain their links with their very own amateur clubs, to give them much needed game time whilst continuing their development, at the same time as smoothing a return to the fold if it doesn’t work out for them professionally.Unfortunately too many players get signed up by the professional clubs and then they are left clicking their heels on the side line whilst watching the Championship teams play.But if these players are permitted to play for their amateur club of origin, then at least they will be with their mates and be more likely to continue to play at amateur level if their professional ambitions don’t materialise.Talks are in the infant stage and an understanding of how the arrangements could work and be administered will have to be thrashed out, but NCL President, Peter Moran suggests there is a possibility the system could be one that could work with the right process and management criteria.“It has to be done in a way that protects the interests of the amateur clubs, the players and the NCL League whilst maintaining the integrity of the competition.”Says Peter, ”We have to find a way of getting youngsters on the periphery of the professional squads to be able to play for their amateur club, and thereby bolster the number of players who are available within those amateur clubs, so that they can partake in a meaningful and vibrant competition.“We are not talking about finding matches for such as established first team Championship stars such as a Martyn Ridyard or Tom Spencer, but we are talking about making it easier for those players who have just signed for a club to be able to develop themselves within the professional and their amateur club so that they have the best opportunity of making the grade when they get the chance.“And if that doesn’t happen they still have their roots within their own amateur club.”Such a move may help keep the amateur clubs moving forward as a good number of the players from their Youth sides, which are snapped up by professional clubs on match play contracts, could be available for them for great swathes of the season.“We have to do something to stop large numbers of disillusioned young players leaving the game.”Added Peter. “Too many young players in a professional club get little or no game time and then leave the sport altogether when they inevitably become disillusioned.”“We want to keep players with one foot in both camps so they can move either way as fate decrees.”“Obviously the amateur club coaches would need to have full control off who plays and when, and the League would move to restrict the number per club and the number that can play in a team at any one time.”“But there has to be a way that we can let those players from the likes of St. Pats, Rose Bridge, St. Judes, Leigh East and so on be able to still be a playing part of their clubs if they are not being given full time or considerable part time contracts.”It’s a thought that will gain favour and antagonism in equal measure, but there certainly has to be a lot of thought given to keeping as many players as can be playing Rugby League at whatever level best suits them all.Trevor Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic Rooster Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Ive been involved in Rugby League for 45 years now but if this happens I really don't want to be involved any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbara henderson Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 With players leaving our game at a worrying rate, I would have thought any properly regulated plan to allow young players kicking their heels on the fringe of the professional game, to remain part of their amateur club can only be good for our game, but what do I know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisholm 2 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I forcast years back that the NCL would become nothing more that a reserve league for the pro clubs. This is to save pro clubs money by us providing them with a competition for fringe players. Why do the pro clubs not have a reserve league ? Because it cost a lot of money to run one and mugs ( sorry volunteers ) like us do it for the love of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy1 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I don't see a problem with it as long as lads are going back to their original amateur club. There are obviously questions that need answering, but I'd be open minded about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybison Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 If I played and trained every week for my amateur club and the coach said sorry your not playing this Saturday because S O Else and A N Other from our local pro club need game time I would walk away and not return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 If the pro clubs ran reserve teams where would they recruit the players from? You'd just see NCL clubs raided for players to make up a full squad of 25 when there were maybe only 8 fringe players to begin with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiEgg Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Why sign a player if you can't offer him regular RL ? Scrap the scholarship and academies and only sign players after their 18th birthday this will keep more kids in the game . This to me seems like a veiled attempt to plug the gaps in the NCL due to the failure of the RFL to increase numbers in the community game despite their well documented spin . If you can't offer a meaningful competition don't sign players to kick their heels simples the worlds gone daft . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisholm 2 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Why sign a player if you can't offer him regular RL ? Scrap the scholarship and academies and only sign players after their 18th birthday this will keep more kids in the game . This to me seems like a veiled attempt to plug the gaps in the NCL due to the failure of the RFL to increase numbers in the community game despite their well documented spin . If you can't offer a meaningful competition don't sign players to kick their heels simples the worlds gone Very good points taxi ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbria1 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 If I played and trained every week for my amateur club and the coach said sorry your not playing this Saturday because S O Else and A N Other from our local pro club need game time I would walk away and not return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiEgg Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Are we heading back to 1973 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6brackendale Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Very open minded but must return to their amateur club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCharles Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I find this subject totally ridiculous and misunderstood by many, including the RFL and NCL committee members. The fact that we have so many young players not getting game time or leaving the sport after being in a pro environment is a direct result of scholarships and academies which are competitions administered by the RFL and the participants are from a professional background. If the RFL and Pro clubs now recognize that these young players need game time to develop then create a bloody competition to allow it to happen, alternatively do not keep signing players who are going to be on the periphery of a squad or competition that is facilitated for their development. The fact of the matter is once again the Community game is seen as the cheap/easy option to resolve this issue...........really? Do the maths you morons...............each club can only play a maximum of 2 players in any one game should Dual Reg be brought in at this level, so how many players is that going to cater for in the North West then? 30 maximum in any one week??? How long before that gets increased because it does not meet the demand? How long before we start to build Community Super Clubs as a result of this? If there is any issue revolving around young pro players not getting the required development, game time or otherwise, then that is an issue the RFL and Pro Clubs need to address properly and invest the required funds to create an appropriate environment/competition in which that development can be facilitated at the correct level. Another half cocked, cheap/easy option, that will ultimately be detrimental to those outside of the Pro game is not the option........how many times do these muppets want to balls it up before they engage brain, look at the evidence on the table and realize that they have created a problem that they need to solve that is not at the detriment of the community game!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 The problem is that pro clubs can't just sign a squad of 17 as they need to fill in gaps for injuries. To ban those players who just fill in gaps for injuries from playing for their community club of origin seems excessive, provided we're only talking a small number of players per club (3 maximum I reckon). It does cause problems but I'd have thought either banning players from playing en masse or the pro game raiding the community game for players to fill up reserve squads would be even worse options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCharles Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 The problem is that pro clubs can't just sign a squad of 17 as they need to fill in gaps for injuries. To ban those players who just fill in gaps for injuries from playing for their community club of origin seems excessive, provided we're only talking a small number of players per club (3 maximum I reckon). It does cause problems but I'd have thought either banning players from playing en masse or the pro game raiding the community game for players to fill up reserve squads would be even worse options. Bowes, with all due respect you bore me, you really have no idea of the state of the community game throughout the age groups and like many others live in your own bubble because it suits and defend the morons who are killing the game!!! If the pro clubs want to sign players then they need to stand up and be counted by ensuring they have the facility to develop that player across all facets of their training/ playing requirements. If the RFL and their performance department want pro clubs to sign players then they also need to stand up and be counted and invest, create and administer to ensure those players are developed across all facets of their training/ playing requirements. Alternatively they don't sign them for paltry amounts and leave them to continue their development in the community game. It's that simple. FYI.........I will not be engaging with your ramblings further! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Bowes, with all due respect you bore me, you really have no idea of the state of the community game throughout the age groups and like many others live in your own bubble because it suits and defend the morons who are killing the game!!! If the pro clubs want to sign players then they need to stand up and be counted by ensuring they have the facility to develop that player across all facets of their training/ playing requirements. If the RFL and their performance department want pro clubs to sign players then they also need to stand up and be counted and invest, create and administer to ensure those players are developed across all facets of their training/ playing requirements. Alternatively they don't sign them for paltry amounts and leave them to continue their development in the community game. It's that simple. FYI.........I will not be engaging with your ramblings further! I made one relatively short post. You bore most people on here with long posts making blind opposition to everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiEgg Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Bowes is entitled to his opinion however misguided and ill informed . The simple fact DR will happen especially if we all lie down and die and do not challenge the perverse operational rules which if passed means the RFL will do want they want wether any league approves or not . Del Capo used to post on this forum I would love to know his views on the OR . Reading the news item it seems the NCL management are endorsing the idea, wonder if the NCL have been offered another incentive similar to the travel grant for summer rugby ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Fully agree TaxiEgg, and Trevor Hunt seems to have changed a lot over the last several years, he is turning in to a rfl man, could he be lining himself up for a job in the rfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Dual Reg has proved to be a disaster at championship level,why would it be any different at NCL level ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiEgg Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It seems to be the RFL way ignore the evidence and crack on anyway . The same description of the benefits of DR were peddled out about fringe players and what did we get lee Briers, Chris Bridge and Adrian Morley all seasoned pros and internationals turning out for Swinton. The argument remains the same cut your cloth to suit . The Amatuer game is just that and the DR will give some NCL sides an unfair advantage . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6brackendale Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I might be wrong but I'm sure the president of the NCL said at delegates meetings that the NCL would never have dual reg ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 All of this will benefit the pro clubs but not the amateur clubs, all the championship clubs have already discussed this already at length as one of our local semi pro clubs directors let it slip the other week, it will save them a lot of money and also help keep their fringe players fit and give them game time, this could also keep a amateur player out of his clubs first team, if I was a amateur player and dropped for a championship club player I wouldn't like it and properly walk away from the club, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Perhaps amateur players getting dropped to accommodate fringe/reserve semi pros should find a club at their level i.e. not NCL. Only playing devil's advocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCharles Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Perhaps amateur players getting dropped to accommodate fringe/reserve semi pros should find a club at their level i.e. not NCL. Only playing devil's advocate. And there we have it.............the great divide, created by the RFL and Pro clubs, for the RFL and Pro Clubs...................collateral damage, balls to all those not in the NCL!!! Lets just pull the trigger and blow the other foot off as well after the debacle that is Summer RL!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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