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This is a really interesting turnabout and unfortunately means this story will be around even longer! Still it does provide another space for attacking you know who! On another website someone said "Money talks yet again!" Oh, well!

 

The use of new operational rules of the RFL is interesting, and the number of days they're supposed to have been over the cap is something new to me.

 

I'll be really interested though to find out what will happen if the points are reinstated? I mean on forums and how it's reported rather than "They'll go up the league!"

 

No doubt someone will be along in a minute ordering me to stop telling everyone what they can think! ;)

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Its interesting as somebody here will lose credibility. If the appeal is successful then Koukash's claims of unfair treatment becomes credible, if an independent tribunal finds him guilty then he will look rather silly and will no longer be able to just blame the rfl victimising him

Very interesting to watch either way.

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Its interesting as somebody here will lose credibility. If the appeal is successful then Koukash's claims of unfair treatment becomes credible, if an independent tribunal finds him guilty then he will look rather silly and will no longer be able to just blame the rfl victimising him

Very interesting to watch either way.

Had you heard about the number of days and SC breach Dave? As I said it was a new one on me?

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Had you heard about the number of days and SC breach Dave? As I said it was a new one on me?

no, still hadnt, apart from your mention and Red Willow below. Is there any more info?
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How can you exceed the cap by only 8 days ? either you break it or you don't.

 

Glad when this is resolved.

I found this difficult too, but if true and relevant it matters.

 

I suppose if two players contracts overlap? But please don't take this as any kind of knowledge!

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no, still hadnt, apart from your mention and Red Willow below. Is there any more info?

Apparently from the Press Conference Dave and it appeared on the Sky report as a mention? url below,

 

http://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/news/12204/10293867/salfords-appeal-against-a-points-deduction-to-be-heard-by-independent-body

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Wood's head on the chopping block if the appeal is successful?

No I don't think that's necessarily so or so necessary.

 

This story doesn't need more drama or blame game approaches it needs a solution that works for the game.

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I don't know about that - the RFL is an opaque body doing some things - record magic and international crowds (and the disciplinary committee) very well as far as I can tell. I am not sure how much money they have and how they spend it. They may not have much and be doing a decent job in the circumstances.

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You praying out loud again?

 

Haha I wish! Serious question really considering Koukash is pushing for a no confidence vote... if he's successful and the RFL are proven to be wrong, he proves his concept that the RFL led by Wood are incompetent.

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I don't know about that - the RFL is an opaque body doing some things - record magic and international crowds (and the disciplinary committee) very well as far as I can tell. I am not sure how much money they have and how they spend it. They may not have much and be doing a decent job in the circumstances.

Absolutely right EW The RFL do quite a few things well that they're not always given credit for!

 

But you haven't accused anyone from Red Hall of being a yoonion troll you're slipping! :D But you'll have to excuse me now cos I'm off to post a new thread telling everyone what they must think according to me, "The Thoughts of Chairman Oxford" soon to be a book, and a film!

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I found this difficult too, but if true and relevant it matters.

 

I suppose if two players contracts overlap? But please don't take this as any kind of knowledge!

It revolved around Kevin Locke and Jake Mullaney. Salford informed the RFL they wanted to de register Mullaney when they signed Locke. However they never submitted the paperwork so he remained on their cap. The OR's are clear that a player will not be deregistered for cap purposes until the club lodges a formal termination agreement (compromise agreement) signed by both parties. Salford didn't do this until some 3 months later which meant Mullaney was still a registered player and therefore on the cap.

Koukash's argument is that if the RFL had deregistered Mullaney at the time then they wouldn't have been over the cap for so long. But basically that's saying that the RFL should have ignored its own rules. It's not the RFL's fault if the club could not submit the correct documentation on time. As soon as they did so he was deregistered the same day. Koukash is trying to lay the blame for the incompetence of his ex CEO (Vickers ?) at the RFL's door.

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How many breaches were they found guilty of? Have more details emerged?

At the start of the press conference he wrote the 5 things they were found guilty of on a flip chart, can't remember the exact details. He said they were mistakes rather than deliberate breaches. But he concentrated on the Locke/Mullaney thing because that was the bulk of the value.

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At the start of the press conference he wrote the 5 things they were found guilty of on a flip chart, can't remember the exact details. He said they were mistakes rather than deliberate breaches. But he concentrated on the Locke/Mullaney thing because that was the bulk of the value.

did the Puletua issue form one of the 5?
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I don't understand why for the appeal to be upheld would automatically mean the RFL is incompetent.  If you are convicted in a court of law and then successfully appeal, it doesn't follow that the judge at your original trial and/or the jury and/or the whole criminal justice system was incompetent.  It is commonplace in civilised societies to allow a degree of second-opinion-taking, which is surely what an appeal process is. 

 

It is commendable to go outside the RFL 'establishment' for this service.  Some posters above are asking where does a successful appeal leave the RFL.  Given the 'neutrality' which has now been brought into the process by Sports' Resolutions' appointment, if the appeal fails, then one would have to ask where that leaves Dr Koukash!

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did the Puletua issue form one of the 5?

Curiously enough it wasn't mentioned at all, but I did hear they got off with that on a technicality - the technicality being that they never actually honoured the second contract so didn't pay anything out, which is what he took them to a tribunal for.

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Even so do the members of the Total RL Jury truly believe that t is right & just to deduct 6 points from Salford`s 2016 performance in respect of `mismanagemet` in 2014?

 

The 2 year absence for me should have been penalized in a different way. If `Guily` Maybe a hefty fine to be shared equally by all Championship 1 clubs would have been far more sensible

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I don't understand why for the appeal to be upheld would automatically mean the RFL is incompetent.  If you are convicted in a court of law and then successfully appeal, it doesn't follow that the judge at your original trial and/or the jury and/or the whole criminal justice system was incompetent.  It is commonplace in civilised societies to allow a degree of second-opinion-taking, which is surely what an appeal process is. 

 

It is commendable to go outside the RFL 'establishment' for this service.  Some posters above are asking where does a successful appeal leave the RFL.  Given the 'neutrality' which has now been brought into the process by Sports' Resolutions' appointment, if the appeal fails, then one would have to ask where that leaves Dr Koukash!

The one question is really as silly as the other. The result does not logically imply anything for either party unless you're fonder of drama than reality. And it would mean amazing things like the RFL still in office and MK in charge at SRD! Read all about it!

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Even so do the members of the Total RL Jury truly believe that t is right & just to deduct 6 points from Salford`s 2016 performance in respect of `mismanagemet` in 2014?

 

The 2 year absence for me should have been penalized in a different way. If `Guily` Maybe a hefty fine to be shared equally by all Championship 1 clubs would have been far more sensible

Difficult one to answer without knowing the full facts really. Was their deception ? Was it deliberate ? Those sort of aspects have a bearing on sentence.

I don't actually blame Koukash, I reckon your ex-CEO has a lot to answer for during his time at the club as he seems to have totally mismanaged everything with a staggering level of incompetence for someone who held a senior council position for so long. Not just the salary cap issue but everything about the club during his tenure seems to have been completely cocked up.

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