Brexit & Super League Europe feat.Catalans (Merged threads)

[BenGilesRL]

How, if at all, would Brexit affect Super League Europe and Catalans Dragons,including the French players playing in UK rugby league.

I was just wondering,,,

[Bearman]

How does it affect Norwegian, Swiss etc soccer teams playing in European cup competitions?

I was just wondering too...

[Chronicler of Chiswick]

Wouldn't affect the French players as the Cats are a French team, whether the changes in free movement of labour would change their ability to sign Brits and possibly Australians is another matter although it would probably take years to sort it all out.

[BenGilesRL]

Wouldn't affect the French players as the Cats are a French team, whether the changes in free movement of labour would change their ability to sign Brits and possibly Australians is another matter although it would probably take years to sort it all out.

 

Sorry, I meant the French players at other clubs like Fages, Bartau, Julien, Simon etc

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

Wouldn't affect the French players as the Cats are a French team, whether the changes in free movement of labour would change their ability to sign Brits and possibly Australians is another matter although it would probably take years to sort it all out.

 

Plenty of non EU passport holders come to Europe to play other sports without much fuss....... and I'm not sure how a Brexit would have any effect on the ability of a French team to sign Antipodeans?

[The Future is League]

If we exit the EU the labour laws will change where you will have to offer British people the first chance.

The days of the has been and the never was player from the NRL will slowly come to an end.

Certain clubs will have to get serious about junior development.

[Saint Toppy]

The leading Brexiters have already said any changes wont be retrospective, so any French players currently playing for British clubs will be able to continue to do so. One would assume the French would apply something similar to Brits currently in France like Myler & Broughton.

 

Where it may have an impact is where Catalans currently sign Aussies with somewhat dodgy characters (or criminal records) where they wouldn't ordinarily get a British visa the French are less choosy in who they let in. Technically those players could be banned from entering the UK to play for Catalans in all away games.

[Manx RL]

The leading Brexiters have already said any changes wont be retrospective, so any French players currently playing for British clubs will be able to continue to do so. One would assume the French would apply something similar to Brits currently in France like Myler & Broughton.

 

Where it may have an impact is where Catalans currently sign Aussies with somewhat dodgy characters (or criminal records) where they wouldn't ordinarily get a British visa the French are less choosy in who they let in. Technically those players could be banned from entering the UK to play for Catalans in all away games.

 

A criminal record used to be mandatory for Australians

[Tommygilf]

I don't see why anything dramatic would change?

Soccer Teams go on world tours and don't seem to have a problem why should being outside the EU affect it?

[Griff9of13]

Plenty of non EU passport holders come to Europe to play other sports without much fuss....... and I'm not sure how a Brexit would have any effect on the ability of a French team to sign Antipodeans?

 

Not true. Plenty of Antipodeans have had problems/delays in getting visas to play in the UK. The same could happen for French players coming here and UK players going there. It won't necessarily stop them, just make it a bit more of a hassle (the same as anyone else wanting to work elsewhere in the EU should we leave).

[northernmouse]

Would it depend on whether the SL is counted as a British League or EU one? ie how do you make the distinction - is a player working in UK or EU? If it was a UK comp then any non UK players would need work permits to play in UK, as would all staff etc. I presume French clubs would apply same work permit rules as football, where a non EU citizen has to play x number of times for their national side. I dunno. It's a fairly unique situation where a league (as a opposed to a cup competition) is spread between two countries.

[Scubby]

The rah rahs will do all the leg work for us. Nothing to worry about.

[JoneslessBishop]

Will have little I'm pact on Ftench players as they are all pretty regular Interntionals and would meet any stricter visa requirements. Probably more so than Aussies and Kiwis who are rarely regular internationals when they come here

[Futtocks]

For the imports, it'd just mean different paperwork and different regulation changes to keep up with each year. Same with other sports.

 

The Leave lot wouldn't want to antagonise Football fans, and that sport has more imports than both Rugbys put together.

[Scubby]

Does this mean the end of NSW Cup players being signed on second generation Greek passports? Gutted.

[Hvy wg]

In case of Brexit, SL would be the least of my concerns. 

[Southern Reiver]

Would it depend on whether the SL is counted as a British League or EU one? ie how do you make the distinction - is a player working in UK or EU? If it was a UK comp then any non UK players would need work permits to play in UK, as would all staff etc. I presume French clubs would apply same work permit rules as football, where a non EU citizen has to play x number of times for their national side. I dunno. It's a fairly unique situation where a league (as a opposed to a cup competition) is spread between two countries.

The NRL?

[Bearman]

The NRL?

And American/ Canadian ice hockey? EUFA champions LEAGUE?

[Manfred Mann]

The main impact of Brexit will be the decline in British prosperity, which will mean less government and private money available to support Rugby League.

[Tommygilf]

The main impact of Brexit will be the decline in British prosperity, which will mean less government and private money available to support Rugby League.

Oh because trading with the 6.5 billion people that live outside the EU in the continents that are growing faster than europe (as well as the 500 million that also live in Europe) will mean that Britain will gradually decline from the 5th biggest economy in the world into a 3rd world nation where RL cannot afford to be played?

[Evil Homer]

Oh because trading with the 6.5 billion people that live outside the EU in the continents that are growing faster than europe (as well as the 500 million that also live in Europe) will mean that Britain will gradually decline from the 5th biggest economy in the world into a 3rd world nation where RL cannot afford to be played?

 

No, but the fact that the country would almost immediately go into recession again would greatly affect the already fragile finances of all the clubs here.

[Tommygilf]

No, but the fact that the country would almost immediately go into recession again would greatly affect the already fragile finances of all the clubs here.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't remember the vast multitude of clubs which collapsed as a direct result of the greatest recession since the inter war period leading to RL being less well funded than before?

Business is business and the market will dictate what amount of funding RL gets inside or outside the EU. Scaremongering that TGG will be on its knees as a result of a leave vote isn't helpful I'm sure you'll agree and actually detracts from genuine issues facing our sport such as participation numbers.

[Evil Homer]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't remember the vast multitude of clubs which collapsed as a direct result of the greatest recession since the inter war period leading to RL being less well funded than before?

Business is business and the market will dictate what amount of funding RL gets inside or outside the EU. Scaremongering that TGG will be on its knees as a result of a leave vote isn't helpful I'm sure you'll agree and actually detracts from genuine issues facing our sport such as participation numbers.

No, they didn't "collapse", but people (both individuals and businesses) having less money clearly hurts the sport, probably more than any other sport TBH because RL in the UK continues to be pretty much an entirely working class sport, and especially given that we're already facing a much greater threat of player drain to the NRL than at any point in history. The game obviously wouldn't collapse and die but it would undoubtedly be worse off, as you say the market dictates the amount of funding and if the market is bad then the funding is bad, not a difficult correlation. Also lol at you using the word 'scaremongering' to refer to something you don't like to hear, classic Brexit.

[Tommygilf]

No, they didn't "collapse", but people (both individuals and businesses) having less money clearly hurts the sport, probably more than any other sport TBH because RL in the UK continues to be pretty much an entirely working class sport, and especially given that we're already facing a much greater threat of player drain to the NRL than at any point in history. The game obviously wouldn't collapse and die but it would undoubtedly be worse off, as you say the market dictates the amount of funding and if the market is bad then the funding is bad, not a difficult correlation. Also lol at you using the word 'scaremongering' to refer to something you don't like to hear, classic Brexit.

Thats ironic considering Lord Rose (leader of stronger IN) said that wages will rise after a Brexit vote, surely affecting working classes more?

The market with Europe would be very unlikely to change massively considering the trade deficit currently running between the UK and EU (although the inability to set our own tariffs to protect industry may have also contributed to this). Arguably nearly 5 million french and german jobs in the motor industry for example rely on UK exports for the success of their brand and it would be economic suicide for them to advocate a trade partnership that wasn't mutually beneficial. With elections looming in Germany do you honestly think Angela Merkel would risk an increase in unemployment based on a disagreement with the British people over the EU?

Its scaremongering because you and I both know that the doom you predict is not guaranteed or (if you want to be optimistic) even likely?

[Evil Homer]

Thats ironic considering Lord Rose (leader of stronger IN) said that wages will rise after a Brexit vote, surely affecting working classes more?

The market with Europe would be very unlikely to change massively considering the trade deficit currently running between the UK and EU (although the inability to set our own tariffs to protect industry may have also contributed to this). Arguably nearly 5 million french and german jobs in the motor industry for example rely on UK exports for the success of their brand and it would be economic suicide for them to advocate a trade partnership that wasn't mutually beneficial. With elections looming in Germany do you honestly think Angela Merkel would risk an increase in unemployment based on a disagreement with the British people over the EU?

Its scaremongering because you and I both know that the doom you predict is not guaranteed or (if you want to be optimistic) even likely?

No, it's not guaranteed. If you take up smoking it's not guaranteed you will die from cancer, but it's much more likely and therefore all the experts would tell you that it's not a good thing to do. If you honestly believe that Brexit would do anything other than harm the British economy in the short and medium term then you are either delusional or completely burying your head in the sand, you've been given this information by numerous reputable sources with pretty much no credible sources supporting the arguments put forward by the opposite side, which largely seem to be based on cherry-picking facts to use out of context or completely making things up.