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Reports surfacing that Salford will only be running a first team in 2017 with all youth teams gone

Say what you want about licencing - this wouldn't have happened then

Should there still be a minimum requirement for SL to operate an academy?

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I think every superleague team should have to run an academy and reserve team in addition to the first team as well as meeting minimum criteria for grounds. Below academy i.e. U15's U16's etc I see no reason why clubs can't work with community clubs. If the RFL have to impose a timetable to meet this criteria, say 5 years to meet player requirements and 10 years for ground requirements then so be it, after the times stated then teams that do not meet set criteria should not be in Superleague

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Salford have scrapped the 19s team and dumped their academy kids ! Informed by letter yesterday ! No wonder the game is dying, I wonder how many aged grouped amateur TEAMS fall by the way side because the better players are taken away to early from the team they start their Rugby League journey with. 

 

Since the RFL have wrestled and bribed themselves into control they have changed and moved laws to allow the bigger amateur clubs to poach the better players in their district and even promoted this by directing players at the service area's

 

If the RFL need to control then they need to employ people who are from the coalface and allow them to have their say into how is the best way to run the amateur game because it's clear that the running of juniors is different from running the open-age and running the open-age is equally different from running a professional club, in fact at open-age you have at lease two different levels, the regional teams and the NCL.

 

It's about time Red Hall woke up and realised some people get into Rugby League for the enjoyment and not control

Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.

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On the face of it this is awful for the game in Salford. However, I am hoping they've got a plan to link up with some local clubs in a bid to make a clear route to the club?

Without checking up I think Salford only has the one club, maybe two

Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.

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On the face of it this is awful for the game in Salford. However, I am hoping they've got a plan to link up with some local clubs in a bid to make a clear route to the club?

There won't be any route to Salford. The good kids in their area will be mopped up by neighbouring districts. There's already a bit of a gap from 19s to first team with the lack of reserves, if the academy is not there the gap will be too big

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Reports surfacing that Salford will only be running a first team in 2017 with all youth teams gone

Say what you want about licencing - this wouldn't have happened then

Should there still be a minimum requirement for SL to operate an academy?

How do you know this would not have happened under licencing?

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Salford have scrapped the 19s team and dumped their academy kids ! Informed by letter yesterday ! No wonder the game is dying, I wonder how many aged grouped amateur TEAMS fall by the way side because the better players are taken away to early from the team they start their Rugby League journey with. 

 

The guy from Maryport ARLFC came out the other week and said:-

 

"Participation levels are dropping like a stone below professional level on a national basis"

 

"I fear we will start to see long standing clubs dissapear "

 

"We have been down to 17 players for a third of our season for the last two years"

 

"There is little interest in playing the game from players once they reach 16"

 

It may well be that you cannot blame professional clubs for taking players under their wing at 14,15,16 as most are lost to the game after that anyway according to Mr. Williamson.

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I genuinely think a "manchester" academy is the solution here, Same as Hull. Would also be a good idea for cumbria (I don't know the situation there).

 

The Cumbria situation is dire but they have an academy so there's a conduit for the talent that is still interested .

 

Hull doubled up to one academy because there weren't the numbers in terms of quality. If there were enough quality young players we would not have to import so may overseas players.

 

As went the anecdote the other month, this father was watching his lad at a junior game in west yorkshire and there were scouts from all the local SL clubs all looking at the same players.

 

Imagine any quality young player at say Eccles just close to Barton and the Salford Club. He could take the pitch with scouts from Wire, Saints, Wigan, Salford Leigh and Widnes on the touchline.

 

I'm not sure of what your Manchester academy would replace, but Salford academy can't be far off the same thing Tom?

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On the face of it this is awful for the game in Salford. However, I am hoping they've got a plan to link up with some local clubs in a bid to make a clear route to the club?

 

You can't really keep a number of local clubs to yourself, as above you have a great 15 year old and all the clubs from all around the county will turn up to watch him.

 

Plus let's not believe that all Junior clubs produce top juniors in the same number.  I think that the more serious career minded juniors tend to ensure they play at the top junior clubs some probably don't produce any.

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Reports surfacing that Salford will only be running a first team in 2017 with all youth teams gone

Say what you want about licencing - this wouldn't have happened then

Should there still be a minimum requirement for SL to operate an academy?

Terible news if true.

I'm a fan of the good Doctor ,but ifs its true he got this horribly wrong.

I'm in the camp which thinks that if you don't have your own academies you shouldn't be in Super League

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You can't really keep a number of local clubs to yourself, as above you have a great 15 year old and all the clubs from all around the county will turn up to watch him.

Plus let's not believe that all Junior clubs produce top juniors in the same number. I think that the more serious career minded juniors tend to ensure they play at the top junior clubs some probably don't produce any.

You've hit it firmly on the head there parky .

Thank you for your valuable contribution.

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The guy from Maryport ARLFC came out the other week and said:-

 

"Participation levels are dropping like a stone below professional level on a national basis"

 

"I fear we will start to see long standing clubs dissapear "

 

"We have been down to 17 players for a third of our season for the last two years"

 

"There is little interest in playing the game from players once they reach 16"

 

It may well be that you cannot blame professional clubs for taking players under their wing at 14,15,16 as most are lost to the game after that anyway according to Mr. Williamson.

I think the game has always lost players around that age simply because of starting work and wine, women and song, my concern is the amount of small teams that fold because they are operating with the bare minimum of players, once the bigger clubs get a sniff of a couple of players and the service areas re-direct a few players that team then folds, this has a double affect on the game, we tend to lose the left behind players and also disgruntled coaches and administrator's, for some reason this area/standard of the game doesn't seem to have a priority.  

Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.

http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

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You can't really keep a number of local clubs to yourself, as above you have a great 15 year old and all the clubs from all around the county will turn up to watch him.

Plus let's not believe that all Junior clubs produce top juniors in the same number. I think that the more serious career minded juniors tend to ensure they play at the top junior clubs some probably don't produce any.

you can't keep them to yourselves. But working with your local clubs has other advantages. They are already interested in RL and on your doorstep. They're exactly the people you're trying to get through your gates on match day

If you have no academy why would Salford visit these clubs? Or will they just watch other academies to pick up the dregs?

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The Cumbria situation is dire but they have an academy so there's a conduit for the talent that is still interested .

Hull doubled up to one academy because there weren't the numbers in terms of quality. If there were enough quality young players we would not have to import so may overseas players.

As went the anecdote the other month, this father was watching his lad at a junior game in west yorkshire and there were scouts from all the local SL clubs all looking at the same players.

Imagine any quality young player at say Eccles just close to Barton and the Salford Club. He could take the pitch with scouts from Wire, Saints, Wigan, Salford Leigh and Widnes on the touchline.

I'm not sure of what your Manchester academy would replace, but Salford academy can't be far off the same thing Tom?

I'd envisage a multi affiliated club academy like the Hull model. 4 Clubs contributing to the upkeep of an academy would be more beneficial than no academy at all.

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I think the game has always lost players around that age simply because of starting work and wine, women and song, my concern is the amount of small teams that fold because they are operating with the bare minimum of players, once the bigger clubs get a sniff of a couple of players and the service areas re-direct a few players that team then folds, this has a double affect on the game, we tend to lose the left behind players and also disgruntled coaches and administrator's, for some reason this area/standard of the game doesn't seem to have a priority.

Also I've noticed through my brother that junior (15s and under) RL teams (eg. in Barla cup) are only allowed to name 17 players. This has led to some clubs I know at his age group essentially saying they are "full" at 17/18 so they don't upset people by saying they're not in the team.

Junior RL should be about fun and enjoyment, getting people involved first before winning and I feel the game will lose more players the longer this is not the case throughout.

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Reports surfacing that Salford will only be running a first team in 2017 with all youth teams gone

Say what you want about licencing - this wouldn't have happened then

Should there still be a minimum requirement for SL to operate an academy?

With the weak £ it's obviously costing more to import all the 2nd rate antipodeans !
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Also I've noticed through my brother that junior (15s and under) RL teams (eg. in Barla cup) are only allowed to name 17 players. This has led to some clubs I know at his age group essentially saying they are "full" at 17/18 so they don't upset people by saying they're not in the team.

Junior RL should be about fun and enjoyment, getting people involved first before winning and I feel the game will lose more players the longer this is not the case throughout.

It's usually only at cup games that's enforced. You can normally name more for league games to ensure all kids are playing. Clubs would be daft to only have 18 players in a squad as there's no cover for injury

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Something is very rotten with the game, when 5th-in-the-Championship Bradford are endeavouring to maintain a full academy set-up, and Super Duper League Salford - on a number of times more central funding from Rot Hall - calmly decide they can no longer be bothered? Where will they look to for their young players of the future?  The Bradford Academy, for one?  As well as those of the SL clubs who DO invest a lot in their Academies? 

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.

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Something is very rotten with the game, when 5th-in-the-Championship Bradford are endeavouring to maintain a full academy set-up, and Super Duper League Salford - on a number of times more central funding from Rot Hall - calmly decide they can no longer be bothered? Where will they look to for their young players of the future?  The Bradford Academy, for one?  As well as those of the SL clubs who DO invest a lot in their Academies? 

Hasn't this been happening in the amateur game since the RFL took over ?

Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.

http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

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