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Continuity to bring success at Hull under an inspirational young coach?

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My view of Radford is that Peter Gentle should have remained in charge for another couple of seasons with Radford learning under him. Pearson pulled the trigger on Gentle too early and Radford got the gig even though he was woefully out of his depth. We endured a season and a half of the biggest load of garbage I've seen from a squad that had that kind of talent on paper.

But I think gradually he has found his feet. He's instilled a really good culture at the club, there's a good team spirit, a never say die attitude, and no one is looking for excuses when things don't go right. He has to be applauded for the way he's taken criticism on the chin and continued with his job. For the first time in perhaps a decade we are a genuinely good team to watch.

So I've been one of his bigger critics in the past but I can't begrudge him this contract. It gives the club a bit of stability as we try to build further on what we've got, and hopefully push for some silverware in the not too distant future.

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"It was an unbelievably easy decision"

Of course.....

Pearson nails himself to Radford...for a further 3 seasons.....now that's unbelievable.

, was sure he was lined up for Rovers next season!

Still might get him for 2018?

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Pleased for Radders along with Bowden deciding to stay with us for another 3 after Wigan wanted him, Green and Hadley also commiting to the club things are looking up. Pearson said the future of the club should be based on local players with a mixture of quality imports. His plan is coming off nicely. All our coaching staff are ex players with a passion and desire for the club. The knee jerk reaction after the Widnes game was embarrassing on social media. It's ok to be positive about FC give it a go .

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This is classic Hull. They are doing well, but realistically his achievements amount to a couple of good months of form which was punctuated by a month in which they looked decidedly average.

I do find it hard to believe the clamour for Radford's signature was such that they needed to tie him down for three years. I have nothing against the guy and, as I say, they are doing well this year.

I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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Pleased for Radders along with Bowden deciding to stay with us for another 3 after Wigan wanted him

Any proof of Wigan's interest in Bowden?, he's a good lad but I'm always suspicious of player's agents spreading this sort of stuff around hoping for an improved offer. Fair play if the Pies were really sniffing.

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The cynic in me says his Agent contacted his contact in Wigan and at best the reply was keep us informed. Still it worked you have kept him.

Like Just Browny re Radford did they have to handcuff him for 3 years before he has actually won anything or gone close. Hope he negotiated either a top level paydeal or at least big bonuses for achievement.

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This is classic Hull. They are doing well, but realistically his achievements amount to a couple of good months of form which was punctuated by a month in which they looked decidedly average.

I do find it hard to believe the clamour for Radford's signature was such that they needed to tie him down for three years. I have nothing against the guy and, as I say, they are doing well this year.

Last Good Friday Hull lost to Hull KR in one of the most inept performances I've seen from a Hull team. Since then, if you discount the Super 8's last year when Hull were decimated by injury and the youngsters made a good account of themselves, Hull have picked up 34 points from 27 regular season games.

In that same time;

Wigan 40 (one game extra)

Warrington 36 (one game extra)

Saints 34

Catalans 31

Castleford 31

Leeds 25

Huddersfield 24

How much you want to read into that is up to you, but Hull have played like a top 4 team for a year now. It's more than "a couple of months of good form."

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Last Good Friday Hull lost to Hull KR in one of the most inept performances I've seen from a Hull team. Since then, if you discount the Super 8's last year when Hull were decimated by injury and the youngsters made a good account of themselves, Hull have picked up 34 points from 27 regular season games.

In that same time;

Wigan 40 (one game extra)

Warrington 36 (one game extra)

Saints 34

Catalans 31

Castleford 31

Leeds 25

Huddersfield 24

How much you want to read into that is up to you, but Hull have played like a top 4 team for a year now. It's more than "a couple of months of good form."

Excellent post, don't post much but I've championed Radders from the off. Coaches don't just turn into quality coaches over night. It takes time and a patient chairman. I had family play for the club when Radford was in the back room teams, he is reponsible the rise of players like Shaul Bowden etc, there will be blips.

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Any proof of Wigan's interest in Bowden?, he's a good lad but I'm always suspicious of player's agents spreading this sort of stuff around hoping for an improved offer. Fair play if the Pies were really sniffing.

 

If Wigan are/where looking for a young forward I am sure on this years form Bowden would have been in the conversation if not actually thinking of tabling a bid. He looks as good as Taylor and Watts in most games now. Green has always been a bit hit or miss for me and I always felt wasn't quite running his size but again seems a lot more consistent now.

 

Have to say there is a feel good at Hull at the moment. Yes league position helps a lot but its great to see local lads on the pitch. The end of last year with lots of injuries against the best teams in the super 8's was a blessing in disguise. Results weren't great but you could see the promise from the young kids getting that experience.

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Last Good Friday Hull lost to Hull KR in one of the most inept performances I've seen from a Hull team. Since then, if you discount the Super 8's last year when Hull were decimated by injury and the youngsters made a good account of themselves, Hull have picked up 34 points from 27 regular season games.

In that same time;

Wigan 40 (one game extra)

Warrington 36 (one game extra)

Saints 34

Catalans 31

Castleford 31

Leeds 25

Huddersfield 24

How much you want to read into that is up to you, but Hull have played like a top 4 team for a year now. It's more than "a couple of months of good form."

 

Cool, so you've discounted the games where Hull played badly and it turns out they didn't play so badly in the rest. I think other teams have had injuries during that time.

 

Seriously, if Radford is doing such a good job, that's really good news. It's not my perception but it has nowt to do with me.

I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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Good. How can it not be?

Radford opted for, or got thrown into, the deep end when Gentle was kicked out. Kicked out too early by Pearson, who I think realised his mistake for two years afterwards.

Local kids coming through, local back room staff and the team (despite a boatload of new signings) are playing with determination and discipline.

People are wasting their energy with the 'Radford out' campaign, which I think just washes over him now. He's doing a good job and good luck to him.

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Cool, so you've discounted the games where Hull played badly and it turns out they didn't play so badly in the rest. I think other teams have had injuries during that time.

Seriously, if Radford is doing such a good job, that's really good news. It's not my perception but it has nowt to do with me.

When we played Wigan away last year in the 8's we had 7 players who were eligible for the under 19's. The bookies were giving us a 36 start ffs. Funnily enough that period was a blessing for us, because it allowed the youngsters and fringe players the chance to step up and prove themselves. We had 1 win and 6 defeats, but the performances were by and large very good.

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Good news for the club. Radford is refreshingly honest and he has already said if he thinks he is failing he will walk.

 

His honesty and determination have now got through to the players. Some have been shipped out , not always because of attitude etc but of contracts they were on others have been made to face the reality of being proffesional. As you can tell I have a lot of time for him

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I think he deserved a contract extension for sure after the way he turned it round. But three years is way too long IMO. He's not proved anything yet. That's just too long for a coach who has, by most accounts, failed for most of his tenure.

I'd have gone one year extension with an option for a second.

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What? Have I woken up in some alternative universe? Who is this supercoach?

At least you've woken up John. Better than the other alternative lad.

He is young and developing. IMO he is good enough.

Hull have a history of short term coaches. Decisions were made which could have been better.

Gentle is now a key player in Parramattas success. Maybe it would have been better keeping him longer?.

Royce Simmons & Crusher - appointed with very little coaching experience.

McRae - got rid. I will never know why.

Walker & Windley joint coaches - how was that ever going to work? Other issues.

Tony Gordon - better that ex players comment on him.

Brian Smith wanted more money to spend, which wasn't to be, and I am unsure of the Peter Sharp saga. I heard many negatives about John Kear, but I found him to be a decent bloke. Maybe others can fill in the blanks. Would be interesting to hear.

At least now, with a little more success on the horizon, there is continuity. Also, to those who don't like Radford, it gives Pearson time to look around!

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At least you've woken up John. Better than the other alternative lad.

He is young and developing. IMO he is good enough.

Hull have a history of short term coaches. Decisions were made which could have been better.

Gentle is now a key player in Parramattas success. Maybe it would have been better keeping him longer?.

Royce Simmons & Crusher - appointed with very little coaching experience.

McRae - got rid. I will never know why.

Walker & Windley joint coaches - how was that ever going to work? Other issues.

Tony Gordon - better that ex players comment on him.

Brian Smith wanted more money to spend, which wasn't to be, and I am unsure of the Peter Sharp saga. I heard many negatives about John Kear, but I found him to be a decent bloke. Maybe others can fill in the blanks. Would be interesting to hear.

At least now, with a little more success on the horizon, there is continuity. Also, to those who don't like Radford, it gives Pearson time to look around!

Since 2000...

2000-2004 Shaun McRae left to coach in NRL after finishing 3rd twice.

2005-2006 John Kear promoted from assistant. Won CC but had awful SL record. Couldn't string 2 wins together for nearly a year. Boring, conservative style that switched many off. Cup was great, but he had to go after 46-0 at home.

2006-2008 Peter Sharp (NRL assistant) takes the helm. 13 SL wins in a row. Gets us to GF for the first time ever. Arguably our best season. Loses Cooked early in following year. Mass disruption. Poor recruitment after and injuries see us slide near bottom. Sacked.

2008-2011 Richard Agar promoted from assistant. Hailed by many as the reason we started the 13 wins in 2006 (as caretaker), took us to Wembley in the same season. However, couldn't change our form and endured a season and a half of torture. Two mid table finishes after strong recruitment. Boring rugby with no consistency sees new owner give up hope. Did not bring through a single young player in all that time.

2012-2013 Peter Gentle (Aus assistant) hailed as the saviour. Brought some exciting rugby. Blooded youngsters. Didn't recruitment overseas well though and paid over the odds for some dire players. Culture not great. Got us to Wembley but had to go after 76-18 in playoffs.

2014-present Lee Radford promoted from assistant. No experience and poor recruitment sees low table finish. Bloods many youngsters. Gets rid of deadwood. Slow improvement over years to now. Often boring style, but has blamed that on lack of consistency in halves.

Our problem has been that we've employee ASSISTANTS for over ten years IMO. Hopefully Lee will be the last.

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At least you've woken up John. Better than the other alternative lad.

Eh?, who's that referring to?  :huh:

 

I make no secret of my thoughts about Radford, when Pearson first gave him a three year contract, he was a young inexperienced assistant coach taking charge of one of the biggest clubs in the game. This showed for the first couple of years and the dropping attendances and lack of success is surely proof of it. Things have improved this season but I still feel a large part of that may be due to Frank Pritchard's influence, a bit like the Stephen Kearney effect back in 2005. I'm only a humble supporter and am not privy to what happens behind the scenes so I may be way off with that but that's my opinion.

 

There's no doubting Radford's passion but it takes more than that to be a great coach and I happen to think, although he may prove himself sooner or later, he's a long way short of being a great coach at the moment.

 

As Wellsy says, I would have been happy with a rolling years extension as is what I feel should have happened when he was first appointed, but it's Pearson's money to risk, I just hope he doesn't end up regretting his decision.

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Since 2000...

Our problem has been that we've employee ASSISTANTS for over ten years IMO. Hopefully Lee will be the last.

Thanks for the comprehensive list from 2000.

Not sure about the 'culture' thing, re: Gentle though. You have to be part of the Club to know that. Fans can surmise but will never know, really. Maybe Twitter and forums like this give an idea, but, often, not the whole truth.

You can never have just 'Head coaches'. Where do all the assistants go? McDermott, Anderson, Betts and latterly John Monie, Gibson etc etc have all been assistants. Surely there must be a development/succession plan to provide continuity? If Pearson doesn't have one, he should do!

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Eh?, who's that referring to?  :huh:

 

I make no secret of my thoughts about Radford, when Pearson first gave him a three year contract, he was a young inexperienced assistant coach taking charge of one of the biggest clubs in the game. This showed for the first couple of years and the dropping attendances and lack of success is surely proof of it. Things have improved this season but I still feel a large part of that may be due to Frank Pritchard's influence, a bit like the Stephen Kearney effect back in 2005. I'm only a humble supporter and am not privy to what happens behind the scenes so I may be way off with that but that's my opinion.

 

There's no doubting Radford's passion but it takes more than that to be a great coach and I happen to think, although he may prove himself sooner or later, he's a long way short of being a great coach at the moment.

 

As Wellsy says, I would have been happy with a rolling years extension as is what I feel should have happened when he was first appointed, but it's Pearson's money to risk, I just hope he doesn't end up regretting his decision.

Missed a comma between ...alternative and 'lad'. Not aimed at your good self mate. The alternative would be not waking up!

Ok. No worries with the 'great' comments. It's your opinion. But coaches can do more in the long term if they are given a chance. Obviously, if Pearson saw no light at the end of the tunnel then he wouldn't have committed to the 3 year contract......but nowadays, we all know how binding they are.

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