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Saw on the main forum that they have allegedly written to all the players asking them to take a pay cut next season to avoid going into administration.

 

If true, will they ever learn? Whilst a lot of their supporters seem to have a chip on their shoulders, I do feel a tad sorry for them as the club really is run very poorly.

 

Wonder if we can pick a couple up on the back of this? I'd imagine there will be a few leaving if true.

What we're dealing with here is a complete lack of respect for the law

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I think there a majority of sports clubs that are run with passion rather than brains

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I bet Grady is chuffed, having just signed on for them. Never mind, Blues Ox will be along shortly to tell us it either isn't true, or it is all just part of the Fax master plan to reduce costs.

I may be well off the mark, but I can't help thinking they thought the top 4 was a formality and budgeted accordingly. Makes you wonder whether the players will accept, and if they do what effect it will have on morale during the season. If the players do not accept the reduction in wages, would I be right in thinking that they become free agents?

In other news, Wilko's superstore have reported a huge surge in the sale of buckets emanating from the Calderdale region today.

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Who we going to hate in our division now leigh stepped up. Oh heck fax it is then.... "by a country mile"

'Shaw cross juniors, Birkenshaw, Mirfield, Heckmondwike Panthers, Stainland Stags and then the Heavy woolen donkeys... WARDY, STOZZA, GT, KARL OR KEAR MUST OF DROPPED A DIGIT FROM MY MOBILE NUMBER! :clapping:

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I bet Grady is chuffed, having just signed on for them. Never mind, Blues Ox will be along shortly to tell us it either isn't true, or it is all just part of the Fax master plan to reduce costs.

I may be well off the mark, but I can't help thinking they thought the top 4 was a formality and budgeted accordingly. Makes you wonder whether the players will accept, and if they do what effect it will have on morale during the season. If the players do not accept the reduction in wages, would I be right in thinking that they become free agents?

In other news, Wilko's superstore have reported a huge surge in the sale of buckets emanating from the Calderdale region today.

 

Its partly true, the only bit that has been added in is the part about having to do it to avoid administration - things have not got that bad yet. From what I can gather all the squad got asked to take the pay cut mentioned and if they didnt accept they would be free to join any club that came in for them. 75% of the squad have already agreed with the only ones still not to agree the ones that are on holiday although they are aware of it and expected to agree back. The new contracts will be more incentive based with all of them getting the money they would lose back should we make the top 4 next season.

 

They did not earn the money they got paid last season with 99% of the squad agreed on that which will be one of the reasons they feel that maybe they owe the club something for the faith that were put in them last season. We will be sniffing around the top 4 again next season just we will be paying out a hell of a lot less than the season just gone.

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I thought last season might have got rid of that green eyed monster once and for all. :tongue:

So Funny..

Batley Fans are not jealous of Halifax...but for you to think that ..just shows what most of us do think....that you are up your own Bottoms....

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So Funny..

Batley Fans are not jealous of Halifax...but for you to think that ..just shows what most of us do think....that you are up your own Bottoms....

I reckon Halifax and others are actually jealous of Batley. What we have achieved and how we have achieved it is behind this .Developed ground. Improved playing squad consistently. Been successful on and off the field. And free of debt.

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And yet , still "little old batley" to many set ups.

I dont frequent any local watering holes but do we still have the "batley? There s5ite" moniker

'Shaw cross juniors, Birkenshaw, Mirfield, Heckmondwike Panthers, Stainland Stags and then the Heavy woolen donkeys... WARDY, STOZZA, GT, KARL OR KEAR MUST OF DROPPED A DIGIT FROM MY MOBILE NUMBER! :clapping:

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Don't know 9' oller, there isn't that many local watering holes left locally, now it's different if you want a quick take away, but then again looking after your health this is out of the question, so it looks like this can't be answered B) 

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In my drinking days proudly wearing the batley replicas you would get " how did WE get on today" after a game!

Or im not going up there and wasting my ale money there sh5te

'Shaw cross juniors, Birkenshaw, Mirfield, Heckmondwike Panthers, Stainland Stags and then the Heavy woolen donkeys... WARDY, STOZZA, GT, KARL OR KEAR MUST OF DROPPED A DIGIT FROM MY MOBILE NUMBER! :clapping:

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Some interesting comments.

 

1 ) Halifax havent been a big club ever. We had some success in the 80s & 90s but thats it. Most Fax fans I know have a similar opinion with a couple of exceptions. On paper over the last 15 years, Fax have had a better squad than Batley. But despite that Batley have always caused Fax problems. Most Fax fans I know have a lot of respect for Batley. What a couple of people on a forum put does not mean thats the view of many. 

 

2 ) Halifax announced they would be staying PT and the money used elsewhere. They did add to the squad but hardly blew a load of money on it. Some debts were paid and some money spent on better nutrition and Assistant Coaches etc. Fax like all no doubt targetted a top 4 finish at the start but for various reasons this didnt happen. Fax are not near to going Bust despite the sad fact some people would enjoy that. Fax Main Sponsor hasnt paid up. Tony Abbott is gone and the club has less money. Its had to cut its cloth to fit the change of financial position. The fact that most players are happy to accept a new contract on less money seems to me that the financial trouble is not that bad as has been reported. As usual people add things to rumours. The Gossip talk in the papers is based on nothing but second hand info. I doubt they even asked the club or any directors what the true story is. 

 

3 )The reality is the game is in a mess and there is NO money for the Championship and no real help either for any of us. Most clubs are one step away from Financial problems - Sheffield, Featherstone, Halifax, Bradford, York, Workington etc. Batley are going OK, but the reality is they have no money or support to be a SL team. Take Kevin Nicholas away or your major sponsor away and thinks do not look so good. Take Sky money away from Cas, Wakey etc and they are no better than any of the Championship clubs. Its a shame that the game is dieing. DR has ruined the Championship. No Reserves especially at SL level is a disgrace. If Fax, Keighley and Dewsbury can manage it then why not the SL Clubs. Can understand why Dewsbury gave up midway through the season. No money, No help, No real idea where the game or the future of the Championship is heading. Does anybody really care at Red Hall? I fear we will be seeing clubs disappear in the next 10 years as things are so bad.

 

4 )I am envious of Batley as are many fans who support different clubs. Well run, Nice ground and have probably done way better than expected. On paper Bradford should have walked in to the Top 4- but they didnt and Batley did. Great to see and wish my club at times was like Batley. But the fact of the matter is the likes of Fev, Fax, Batley, Dewsbury etc are staying in this division for a long time to come. No real hope of SL despite a top 4 finish. Is there any point in being FT? Is there any point to running a reserve grade? Is there any positive future for our clubs to grow attendances and grow as clubs? I just cant see it sadly. I wish Batley and the rest all the best, no matter what happens at Fax. Any success then you have earned it and hopefully it can help a club in the short term. 

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Well said and put  Lounge Room Lizard, I have been saying for awhile the RFL an SL don't give a dam and yet the rugby served up by the Championship is very good.

 

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Some interesting comments.

 

1 ) Halifax havent been a big club ever. We had some success in the 80s & 90s but thats it. Most Fax fans I know have a similar opinion with a couple of exceptions. On paper over the last 15 years, Fax have had a better squad than Batley. But despite that Batley have always caused Fax problems. Most Fax fans I know have a lot of respect for Batley. What a couple of people on a forum put does not mean thats the view of many. 

 

2 ) Halifax announced they would be staying PT and the money used elsewhere. They did add to the squad but hardly blew a load of money on it. Some debts were paid and some money spent on better nutrition and Assistant Coaches etc. Fax like all no doubt targetted a top 4 finish at the start but for various reasons this didnt happen. Fax are not near to going Bust despite the sad fact some people would enjoy that. Fax Main Sponsor hasnt paid up. Tony Abbott is gone and the club has less money. Its had to cut its cloth to fit the change of financial position. The fact that most players are happy to accept a new contract on less money seems to me that the financial trouble is not that bad as has been reported. As usual people add things to rumours. The Gossip talk in the papers is based on nothing but second hand info. I doubt they even asked the club or any directors what the true story is. 

 

3 )The reality is the game is in a mess and there is NO money for the Championship and no real help either for any of us. Most clubs are one step away from Financial problems - Sheffield, Featherstone, Halifax, Bradford, York, Workington etc. Batley are going OK, but the reality is they have no money or support to be a SL team. Take Kevin Nicholas away or your major sponsor away and thinks do not look so good. Take Sky money away from Cas, Wakey etc and they are no better than any of the Championship clubs. Its a shame that the game is dieing. DR has ruined the Championship. No Reserves especially at SL level is a disgrace. If Fax, Keighley and Dewsbury can manage it then why not the SL Clubs. Can understand why Dewsbury gave up midway through the season. No money, No help, No real idea where the game or the future of the Championship is heading. Does anybody really care at Red Hall? I fear we will be seeing clubs disappear in the next 10 years as things are so bad.

 

4 )I am envious of Batley as are many fans who support different clubs. Well run, Nice ground and have probably done way better than expected. On paper Bradford should have walked in to the Top 4- but they didnt and Batley did. Great to see and wish my club at times was like Batley. But the fact of the matter is the likes of Fev, Fax, Batley, Dewsbury etc are staying in this division for a long time to come. No real hope of SL despite a top 4 finish. Is there any point in being FT? Is there any point to running a reserve grade? Is there any positive future for our clubs to grow attendances and grow as clubs? I just cant see it sadly. I wish Batley and the rest all the best, no matter what happens at Fax. Any success then you have earned it and hopefully it can help a club in the short term.

Very good post,and so very true,but they will still be clubs out there spending money they haven't got,chasing there dream.

At our fans forum the other week our chairman Mark Sawyer said they where many clubs in serious financial trouble.

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I disagree with a few points. It's easy to say the rfl don't care or help the championship clubs but let's go back a couple of seasons and teams in our division were only getting £90k and this season Batley got over £500k. To me that is progression. I like the new system. It's entertaining and gives a chance. In encourages clubs in our division to improve on and off the field.

Some people will moan at the RFL for whatever reason. But if over the next 5 years they increase the funding down the divisions it will be a step in the right direction. The structure is good imo

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So Funny..

Batley Fans are not jealous of Halifax...but for you to think that ..just shows what most of us do think....that you are up your own Bottoms....

 

Not sure where the rolly eyes things is on here but..............

 

I have never had and probably never will have any problem with Batley or its fans and I can never fathom where this little bit of dislike or whatever it is towards Halifax comes from. Im not even sure I have ever heard a Fax fan say anything bad about Batley and the poster above is correct that this last season I have been a bit envious of them, who wouldnt be?

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Not sure where the rolly eyes things is on here but..............

 

I have never had and probably never will have any problem with Batley or its fans and I can never fathom where this little bit of dislike or whatever it is towards Halifax comes from. Im not even sure I have ever heard a Fax fan say anything bad about Batley and the poster above is correct that this last season I have been a bit envious of them, who wouldnt be?

 

Every cloud has a silver lining Ox, while ever they are giving you lot stick they are leaving us alone - for the time being anyway.  :tongue: FWIW, I've always found the Fax fans OK - now Whino's fans .......  :no:

Censorship ends in logical completeness when nobody is allowed to read any books except the books that nobody reads.

 

George Bernard Shaw.

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its the " we should be beating teams like Batley comments " that wind up some Batley fans mate , as tho were a level below you , not on the same level

 

Ive heard a lot of fans from other teams say that about numerous other teams, its not just Batley. We at Fax had it against Bradford for about 5 games, "We should be beating Fax". They probably should but who cares, thats just stuff that RL fans say in general. Any Fax fan saying that about Batley has obviously not watched our games over the past few years.

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Every cloud has a silver lining Ox, while ever they are giving you lot stick they are leaving us alone - for the time being anyway.  :tongue: FWIW, I've always found the Fax fans OK - now Whino's fans .......  :no:

 

I think we took a lot of stick because we were in SL for so long and when we dropped down opposition fans seem to have thought of us as big time charlies yet anyone speaking to Fax fans in general would know that was not the case in the slightest. We have had too many ups and downs over the years to believe we "belong" in the top division or are better than any team in this one.

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I disagree with a few points. It's easy to say the rfl don't care or help the championship clubs but let's go back a couple of seasons and teams in our division were only getting £90k and this season Batley got over £500k. To me that is progression. I like the new system. It's entertaining and gives a chance. In encourages clubs in our division to improve on and off the field.

Some people will moan at the RFL for whatever reason. But if over the next 5 years they increase the funding down the divisions it will be a step in the right direction. The structure is good imo

Has it been announced/published that we have received over £500k, MH? I don't recall seeing an actual figure anywhere.

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I think we took a lot of stick because we were in SL for so long and when we dropped down opposition fans seem to have thought of us as big time charlies yet anyone speaking to Fax fans in general would know that was not the case in the slightest. We have had too many ups and downs over the years to believe we "belong" in the top division or are better than any team in this one.

Halifax have been in and out of financial crises since 1999, coincidentally since they vacated the old Thrum Hall ground and went into bed with the football side of the town and the local authority in the form of the redeveloped Shay Stadium. They had a healthy boost from the Thrum Hall trustees of £1.1m in 2001/2 from the sale to Asda, 'for the development of Rugby League', and no one seems to know where this money actually went. Since then at areas of financial responsibility regarding the main stand and the rent share of the ground have been very blurred, and over the years legal threats and counter threats have been common in this sad scenario.

I am surprised that Michael Steele, the Fax Chairman and former lawyer, has been unable to unravel this situation and resolve a legal and financial 'straight edge' on behalf of his Club, as he appears to be a decent individual, as indeed are the majority of Fax supporters.

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You can extend that date to the late eighties and beyond if you really look hard enough. We are the classic example of a team doing well with a money man and then struggling without. We went from winning the league then cup the following year to getting relegated and nearly going belly up within about 3 seasons as Brook's money dried up. We then had the boom and bust of the nineties as Tony Gartland made us in to one of only a few clubs capable of paying out 6 figure transfer fees only for us to be left in a mess once again as he was hounded out of the club.

 

In my eyes the biggest mistake our club made was probably one of the best the club had made financially in many a year and we had a group of local business men that came in and started to unravel all the hidden debts and look to get us on the straight and narrow unfortunately in doing that we started living to our means and ran a very small and young squad enabling us to pay off debts but ultimately costing us our SL status, ironically the only real bad year we had in SL, and the money that came with it. I believe if we had not done that we would still be in SL in a similar way that Wakey have managed to get by. Im not saying thats the right thing to do but as we have seen its certainly possible. We are where we are though and Im not going to complain too much as I see myself very lucky in that I have seen my team win the 1st division, the CC, play the Aussie national team, win the grand final and NRC at this level and play the NRL champions and yet some of our fans still complain about the quality of players we are signing at the moment. They really do not know how lucky we have been.

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Has it been announced/published that we have received over £500k, MH? I don't recall seeing an actual figure anywhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/04/batley-featherstone-rugby-league-qualifiers

This is the only thing I have seen regarding the prize money, and MH is correct, according to this article although not official, we will get £550k, £400k more than we received last year.

For the life of me though, I can't understand how such disparity can be good for the game. We are doing very well out things currently. Large amounts of central funding and a pretty good draw in terms of league finishing positions at the bash weekend. Why the bash idea is not swapped for a 9s competition, as a show case event, like the Auckland 9s is also a little beyond my comprehension, it does not seem fair Bradford have to face HKR 3 times this season whilst we get 3 games against the Rams.

Whilst it is never easy playing a derby game against Dewsbury, I'm not sure how pleased I'd have been if we'd had to play Hull KR or London 3 times during the regular season. Especially given how tight the top 4 was last year.

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Thanks DF. I hadn't seen that, only seen numbers being banded about on various message boards. You would think though that the financial distribution in relation to placings at the end of the season would be announced at the start of the season and be available for all to see so that everyone, including the main sponsors of RFL (spectators) are aware of what is at stake.

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