Hvy wg Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Escaré, who has 2 years left on his contract, has been told he can go and has been put on the list. Leeds and Castleford are reportedly interested.Eloi Pelissier, whose contract ends this season, has not been offered a new deal. Is this what we're going to be? Throwing our local guys out of the window when they're having bad times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark S Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 The obsession with Austrakisian players at Le Catalans is what is holding the national team back. Wasn't the idea of having a French team in SL to help improve the national team, not give Aussies a paid, extended holiday in France? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gates1 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Crazy, especially Pelissier IMO. I get Escaré to an extent, strikes me as a confidence player and his confidence looks shot it may be that a change is needed to help build this back (certainly a change of coach is likely to help). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvy wg Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 The obsession with Austrakisian players at Le Catalans is what is holding the national team back. Wasn't the idea of having a French team in SL to help improve the national team, not give Aussies a paid, extended holiday in France? Ahem. We have this debate every time. I'd just say that we have Albert, Da Costa, Yaha, Dezaria and Romano knocking on the door while our U19 are going great guns. Escaré and Pelissier have been identified as the players that do not have the level required to get silverware by the staff so they're pushed out. This is coming from a club that though Willie Mason was a good idea. Crazy, especially Pelissier IMO. I get Escaré to an extent, strikes me as a confidence player and his confidence looks shot it may be that a change is needed to help build this back (certainly a change of coach is likely to help). To me, Castleford would be better than Leeds. The coach is top notch and they're used to small fullbacks. They'll know how to play with Morgan in the team. Plus, I don't think Escare's english is very good and Gadwin would help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I'd take a punt on Escare, like you say he's a confidence player however. With regards to the French national team as long as Catalans are producing the French talent to the market for all clubs then this will be good for them. In fact exporting players to SL and then the NRL should be the aim of the FFRXIII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoneslessBishop Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Wild have thought there might be some logic putting him on wing with Richards retiring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Escare is understandable; letting Pelissier go would be a shocking decision - quality player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvy wg Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 Wild have thought there might be some logic putting him on wing with Richards retiring? Who? Escaré? It could be a smart move if he learns how to defend at wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrywebbisgod Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Who? Escaré? It could be a smart move if he learns how to defend at wing. Going by recent form,just learning to defend would help. I can understand the club letting Escare go (not Escargot)his confidence looks shot and that may be down to how the club have handled him. I'd rather have Pelissier at Leeds than Escare. Thank you for your valuable contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnyia Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I read that they've not started negotiating with pellisier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Escaré, who has 2 years left on his contract, has been told he can go and has been put on the list. Leeds and Castleford are reportedly interested. Eloi Pelissier, whose contract ends this season, has not been offered a new deal. Is this what we're going to be? Throwing our local guys out of the window when they're having bad times? Saints need another hooker. We'll look after Eloi for you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvy wg Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 I read that they've not started negotiating with pellisier. Too much feud between him and M.President. Escare; a fullback who can't pass or tackle isn't that much use. He has never been a strong defensive fullback but it's becoming worse and worse. He can pass, he's pretty decent at passing and kicking. The thing, the "playing system" at Catalans wants a fullback that keeps the ball and hits the line, hence why they love having Gigot at the back. We have forwards playing in the three quarter line. Catalans strategy is : take the ball, go in a straight line. Repeat. Wait for Taylor to pull a magic trick. And that's why they don't want Escaré anymore. Because he can't hit the line. Throw Escaré in a team that knows how to play with three quarters and a "linking" fullback and you'll see Escaré shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvy wg Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 Saints need another hooker. We'll look after Eloi for you guys. Do it. Just do it. Fages + Eloi + Nzoungou. Send me a Saints jersey to wear at the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yakstorm Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Whilst it's never great to see Catalans let go of French talent, hopefully it just means they both get signed up by another club. A successful France won't happen if all the talent is af the Catalans. We need the talent to be decentralized to a point. One so Catalans can keep introducing new players to Super League, and secondly so the players are exposed to different playing styles and coaching techniques. As a few have already said, Escare doesn't fit the Catalans game plan, but there is no reason why he couldn't thrive at Castleford or Leeds. PACIFIQUE TREIZE: Join the team by registering as a fan today at pacifique13.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParraEelsNRL Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Honestly as long as they are still playing the game, who really cares, Catalans are a club thus they should look for the best available talent, the National team is different and I for one am happy that there seems to now be as many French players in non French teams as there are in Les Catalans. A few years ago France struggled to have a full professional 17 on the park, in fact they were at least 5 or 6 players short, these days without having to rely on the one team to feed the French national side, they can look at dozens. Same thing happened in NZ, it was a trickle for a good while then all of a sudden you look and every team had at least one if not two or more Kiwis in their start on side let alone squad. It's all good as long as they stay in the game, doesn't matter what colours they are wearing until they all put the same colour on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longboard Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 To me, Castleford would be better than Leeds. The coach is top notch and they're used to small fullbacks. They'll know how to play with Morgan in the team. Plus, I don't think Escare's english is very good and Gadwin would help with that. Is Morgan Escare the new Greg Eden? Imagine Escare and Eden in the same team! That would be interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Badrinath Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Letting pelissier go would be madness. I know he's got his temper, but there's a bloody good player in there, i imagine there's going to be a scramble for his signature, and as much as it galls me to say he'd be perfect for st helens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvy wg Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 Is Morgan Escare the new Greg Eden? Imagine Escare and Eden in the same team! That would be interesting... Many players in SL would love to play 6 games for Brisbane like Eden did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackknife Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Eden n Escare are similar players that can be either brilliant or rubbish both have undefendable attacking abilities but there defense isnt up to sl standard COME ON THE CORN CLASSY CAS 4EVA Go Go Go York City Knights! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Cool Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Escare's a far better player than Eden, for me Eden isn't a Super League player and I can't see him being one. Escare has bags of talent and is going through a poor run of form, which has coincided with a change of tactics at Les Cats. Escare's a SL player, not sure he'll ever be a top 4 player though. And Les Cats have bags of French players in their 19 every week so there's no argument to be had there any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I'm not entirely surprised by this but I am saddened by it. Super League fans tend to turn on their local products first for some reason, and the Catalans supporters (and shockingly their staff) seem particularly prone. Escaré, for me, is Kevin Penny MkII: fantastic skills that would improve any side, but obvious flaws too. I was sad that my club didn't see fit to coach the other parts of his game, but obviously delighted that he showed enough character to fight his way back in. To lose someone with Escaré's speed and evasion without trying to help him is criminal. Likewise Pélissier. His case is arguably more extreme, as not only is he nearly the complete player, but the Dragons have on their coaching staff one of the best hookers we've had in Super League (Michael Monaghan). He arguably possessed the skills that Pélissier lacks - a cool head, leadership, a tackling technique which hardly ever conceded a penalty - so if Monaghan can't help him, I don't think anyone can. I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Evans Thigh Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Bizarrely this is actually really good news for the French national team. The more French players in the league the better. Catalans will only regularly play 9 or 10 so getting more into other clubs getting coached by different people will increase the pool and should make them more competitive. Similar to NZ with more kiwis playing in the NRL. Formerly Alistair Boyd-Meaney fifty thousand Poouunds from Keighley...weve had im gid." MIPM Project Management and Business Solutions " Discounts available for forum members contact me for details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoneslessBishop Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 If Toulouse go up I wonder if these players might be tempted to go there? Not like their places in the French squad would be under risk, and salary cap change means Toulouse could in theory afford them. Playing at a lower level than Gigot might put Escare at a disadvantage for first XIII, but you suspect France need to find space for both In their team, and Gigot may be playing 2nd fiddle to Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvy wg Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 If Toulouse go up I wonder if these players might be tempted to go there? Not like their places in the French squad would be under risk, and salary cap change means Toulouse could in theory afford them. Playing at a lower level than Gigot might put Escare at a disadvantage for first XIII, but you suspect France need to find space for both In their team, and Gigot may be playing 2nd fiddle to Stewart Gigot needs to play centre at international level. We do not have many centres and Gigot is worse than Escaré at catching bombs so it's a no go for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_57 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Assuming they both stay in Rugby League and Super League or Toulouse this isn't so bad. A new environment and coaching structure could be just what they need. In 5 years time hopefully Toulouse are in SL or making at least the middle 8's regularly and the French national team could be something like 1/3 Catalans, 1/3 Toulouse & 1/3 Other SL clubs. The wildcards being Carcassonne/Cathars and a revamped Elite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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