Bob8 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 OK, fellow forumites. Every two years or so, there is an Euro or World Cup and we people start saying "And of course, people still think England will win, snort, snort". In fact, I have never known an English adult confident that England will win any tournament. I spoke with my Dad about this and he assures me that in 1966, it was a surprise to English people. There have been times when England could have been and were expected to do well, such as 2000 and 2006. In 2000, going out at the semis when hosting was still seen as satisfactory, when it was all that Sweden had achieved four years earlier. Equally, no-one expected England to win in 2006, but those they should have done better and being disappointed was reasonable. That people were joyous over a semi in 1990 shows people are not that unreasonable. But, if anyone declares that "In England, we always think we are going to win", challenge them to name who it is exactly. Which mutual acquaintance. Then punch them. You have my permission. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Qtr final fodder at best "I love our club, absolutely love it". (Overton, M 2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 Qtr final fodder at best Indeed. That would be pretty good. There might be some newspaper articles saying otherwise, but people in England accept their team are not that good and always have done in my memory (and my Dad's). "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 OK, fellow forumites. Every two years or so, there is an Euro or World Cup and we people start saying "And of course, people still think England will win, snort, snort". In fact, I have never known an English adult confident that England will win any tournament. I spoke with my Dad about this and he assures me that in 1966, it was a surprise to English people. There have been times when England could have been and were expected to do well, such as 2000 and 2006. In 2000, going out at the semis when hosting was still seen as satisfactory, when it was all that Sweden had achieved four years earlier. Equally, no-one expected England to win in 2006, but those they should have done better and being disappointed was reasonable. That people were joyous over a semi in 1990 shows people are not that unreasonable. But, if anyone declares that "In England, we always think we are going to win", challenge them to name who it is exactly. Which mutual acquaintance. Then punch them. You have my permission. yep, living in Scotland i hear this ###### all the time. I always try and challenge it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WearyRhino Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Are we talking soccerball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 Are we talking soccerball? Yes. I bet you knew that already. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damp squib Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 yep, living in Scotland i hear this ###### all the time. I always try and challenge it. It's the same in Ireland. It is largely driven by the English tabloid media - remember the "EASY" headline in The Sun when the WC 2010 group was announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 yep, living in Scotland i hear this ###### all the time. I always try and challenge it. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Then utter the word 'Peru' to the breeze blocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Surely the classic trope is for England to beat a small country team in a warm-up and then say, "England are definitely going to win it then, snort snort" ? It is annoying. I always enjoy a Five Live phone-in after an England loss though, especially if Chris Waddle is on. He is my favourite. I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clwydianrange Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I have worked up in Scotland and have many Scottish friends. Their take on this is that it's not the English fans but the press that build up any English team as potential world beaters and inevitably we fail much to the delight of our Celtic cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 It annoys me most when you hear it in England. I think it started when soccer was working class and the middle class would sneer at working class people getting excited. The media are a big cause. That is not just the UK. I was in Australia in the run up the World Cup in 2006 and Rebecca Wade had a large article reporting that everyone in England thought they would win the it easily, but as an expert she knew out in the quarters was more likely. She ridiculed the English for their arrogance and pumped up sense of their own ability and tipped Australia to be the team to knock England out to get through to the semis. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 I have worked up in Scotland and have many Scottish friends. Their take on this is that it's not the English fans but the press that build up any English team as potential world beaters and inevitably we fail much to the delight of our Celtic cousins. Fair enough. Many people recognise this. Many do not and they must be punched for their own good. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I have worked up in Scotland and have many Scottish friends. Their take on this is that it's not the English fans but the press that build up any English team as potential world beaters and inevitably we fail much to the delight of our Celtic cousins.a lot of Scottish people i know hide their irrational hatred of the English by disguising it as hatred of the media or westminster. The Anyone but England brigade that appear during every tournament give the game away though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Wales v England should be interesting. Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 On the other hand, following the Scotland Football team is not the wonky-wheeled rollercoaster ride it used to be. They used to struggle against bad opposition one week, then play like absolute champs against a big name the next... before snatching defeat (or possibly a draw) from the jaws of victory. Scotland used to be quixotic, infuriating, brilliant, awful, hilarious, tragic, insane and downright illogical. Now they're just a bit dour and ordinary. And Football is the poorer for it. England, over the years, have had some exciting times (1990 and 1996, for two), but only the most professionally-excited tabloid hack would claim that their recent campaigns have looked even remotely like delivering the team's second real trophy in their history. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Rhino Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 ...they must be punched for their own good. Hooligan! 2014 Challenged Cup Winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 She ridiculed the English for their arrogance Do they not do irony in Australia then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 England stands no chance at Euro 2016 because it hasn't noticed it starts today. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 On the other hand, following the Scotland Football team is not the wonky-wheeled rollercoaster ride it used to be. They used to struggle against bad opposition one week, then play like absolute champs against a big name the next... before snatching defeat (or possibly a draw) from the jaws of victory. Scotland used to be quixotic, infuriating, brilliant, awful, hilarious, tragic, insane and downright illogical. Now they're just a bit dour and ordinary. And Football is the poorer for it. England, over the years, have had some exciting times (1990 and 1996, for two), but only the most professionally-excited tabloid hack would claim that their recent campaigns have looked even remotely like delivering the team's second real trophy in their history. But but but didn't we win every qualifier for the Euros so simply have to turn up to be awarded the trophy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 But but but didn't we win every qualifier for the Euros so simply have to turn up to be awarded the trophy? Stay there, I am going to send a forumite round to punch you. Or you can produce someone who actually thinks that without being paid. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 But but but didn't we win every qualifier for the Euros so simply have to turn up to be awarded the trophy? I didn't realise that, so NOTHING CAN POSSIBLY GO WRONG NOW!!! Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 World Rankings: 1 Belgium 2 Argentina 3 Spain 4 Germany 5 Chile 6 Brazil 7 Portugal 8 Colombia 9 England 10 Austria 11 Uruguay 12 Switzerland 13 Ecuador 14 Netherlands 15 Italy 16 Romania 17 Wales 18 Croatia 19 Côte d'Ivoire 20 Hungary Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Italy 15???? Wow! "I love our club, absolutely love it". (Overton, M 2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Italy 15???? Wow! FIFA rankings. Literally nobody takes them seriously. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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