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  1. 1. Do you want Toronto to make it to SL?

    • Yes
      104
    • No
      12
    • I don't know
      5
  2. 2. Would Toronto making it to SL negatively affect English RL?

    • Yes
      13
    • No
      96
    • I don't know
      12


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There's no indication expanding the number of clubs in SL is being considered, so keep that in mind when answering.

Really ?

 

But if this is how the vote continues I'm happy to be proved wrong in my view of RL fans and their positivity towards Toronto and expansion. :biggrin:

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Interesting results so far

Yep. It's also interesting that the people who want Toronto to make it to SL are also the ones who think that won't hurt English RL, which makes me wonder if they'd change their mind about Toronto if it was proven that their presence in SL did hurt English RL.

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Yep. It's also interesting that the people who want Toronto to make it to SL are also the ones who think that won't hurt English RL, which makes me wonder if they'd change their mind about Toronto if it was proven that their presence in SL did hurt English RL.

And what if it was proven that their presence did help English RL?

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Yep. It's also interesting that the people who want Toronto to make it to SL are also the ones who think that won't hurt English RL, which makes me wonder if they'd change their mind about Toronto if it was proven that their presence in SL did hurt English RL.

Are you talking about English RL as a sport, or the National Team? 

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And what if it was proven that their presence did help English RL?

Yes exactly!

 

I did think that   more people would vote, would vote against Toronto and would say they'd harm SL if they did.

 

Maybe the secret against voters are doing a Trump election scheme and turning the vote at the last minute. ;)

 

I take it all back if the result stays :O like this, yes I know! :biggrin:

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Toronto's success is likely to be simply a precursor to joining a strong North American League so it is unlikely to be a long term England RL issue.

If though it brings a 2 tier 20 team franchised SL closer then it will be an excellent thing (those 20 teams including London, 2 French teams and Toronto, leaving 16 pro English clubs - and 15 trad ones plus London...

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Yep. It's also interesting that the people who want Toronto to make it to SL are also the ones who think that won't hurt English RL, which makes me wonder if they'd change their mind about Toronto if it was proven that their presence in SL did hurt English RL.

What's your definition of "hurting English rugby league"? I think you need to be specific.

If,for example, you mean one of the weaker SL clubs loses their SL place, and then contracts to become a club with a similar operation to Fev or Halifax, then it's probably worth the risk, given the upside.

If you mean it will have some sort of widespread effect on a number of clubs then that's something else. But I can't see the scenario where this latter example could happen.

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Yep. It's also interesting that the people who want Toronto to make it to SL are also the ones who think that won't hurt English RL, which makes me wonder if they'd change their mind about Toronto if it was proven that their presence in SL did hurt English RL.

I wanted them, but was "don't know" for hurting English rugby league. 

 

If soccer had not grown, Darwen FC might still be a big deal.  In the same way, a successful Toronto (still very hypothetical) would help English rugby league.  As would a successful Toulouse.  What it would not help is English rugby league as we know it, St Helens and Leigh would not just disappear to gentile decline like a Miss Havisham, but perhaps be pushed aside.  As a St Helens fan, I could accept that, but I cannot speak for other St Helens fans or Leigh fans.

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I wanted them, but was "don't know" for hurting English rugby league. 

 

If soccer had not grown, Darwen FC might still be a big deal.  In the same way, a successful Toronto (still very hypothetical) would help English rugby league.  As would a successful Toulouse.  What it would not help is English rugby league as we know it, St Helens and Leigh would not just disappear to gentile decline like a Miss Havisham, but perhaps be pushed aside.  As a St Helens fan, I could accept that, but I cannot speak for other St Helens fans or Leigh fans.

I can't believe this path in the thread Bob, "but what if's...." are about as useful as the proverbial chocolate teapot. This will never have anything to do with TO or T O. Teams/clubs will be pushed aside because the argument for a 10 team SL is gathering momentum. This is even though the reduction to 12 produced no such result. What did Einstein say about doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result? The reintroduction of P - R has not been shown to improve quality either and the middle 8's haven't had enough of a run to produce anything lasting and are likely to be gone before any benefit will be clear. To be fair to P - R though, which is unusual for me, it was never about improving quality so much as going back to something more comfortable in the British sporting Psyche.

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I can't believe this path in the thread Bob, "but what if's...." are about as useful as the proverbial chocolate teapot. This will never have anything to do with TO or T O. Teams/clubs will be pushed aside because the argument for a 10 team SL is gathering momentum. This is even though the reduction to 12 produced no such result. What did Einstein say about doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result? The reintroduction of P - R has not been shown to improve quality either and the middle 8's haven't had enough of a run to produce anything lasting and are likely to be gone before any benefit will be clear. To be fair to P - R though, which is unusual for me, it was never about improving quality so much as going back to something more comfortable in the British sporting Psyche.

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And arguably Salfords miraculous escape will go down in RL and sporting folklore

It was pretty special, I'd gone to make a cup of tea and when I got back it was game on! So that wouldn't be a surprise.

 

I hope Toronto don't get the blame for that.

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It was pretty special, I'd gone to make a cup of tea and when I got back it was game on! So that wouldn't be a surprise.

I hope Toronto don't get the blame for that.

I just remember watching thinking I cannot believe it!

As good as Ryan Halls try in 2015 for emotive response and heart palpitations for me!

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I just remember watching thinking I cannot believe it!

As good as Ryan Halls try in 2015 for emotive response and heart palpitations for me!

If it wasn't for the context which made it sad I'd have put it down as one of if not the most memorable and hard fought games of the season.

 

Judging by the way the toss of the coin was blamed for the ills of the world let's hope the million pound game is a piece of history by the time Toronto become involved in P - R!!!!

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If it wasn't for the context which made it sad I'd have put it down as one of if not the most memorable and hard fought games of the season.

 

Judging by the way the toss of the coin was blamed for the ills of the world let's hope the million pound game is a piece of history by the time Toronto become involved in P - R!!!!

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I haven't voted yet but the question I pose is this:

If Toronto and Toulouse both join Catalan in the SL then further overseas franchises would be encouraged by their success. Even with 3 overseas franchises we have to consider whether SL becomes a 'Champions League' type competition meaning the UK required a new top division solely for U.K. Based Rugby League Clubs.

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I haven't voted yet but the question I pose is this:

If Toronto and Toulouse both join Catalan in the SL then further overseas franchises would be encouraged by their success. Even with 3 overseas franchises we have to consider whether SL becomes a 'Champions League' type competition meaning the UK required a new top division solely for U.K. Based Rugby League Clubs.

Does that also take into account the greater amount of funding these teams may bring to the game from their own countries? Or that SL might grow to include more teams?

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I haven't voted yet but the question I pose is this:

If Toronto and Toulouse both join Catalan in the SL then further overseas franchises would be encouraged by their success. Even with 3 overseas franchises we have to consider whether SL becomes a 'Champions League' type competition meaning the UK required a new top division solely for U.K. Based Rugby League Clubs.

Of the current 12 SL clubs, no more than half of them are elite sporting clubs, the rest are only in there because we don't have anything better. If (and it's a very big IF), clubs like Toronto and Toulouse got to Super League and replaced some of the weaker clubs, that would be good for the British game. SL would be stronger, and the current SL clubs who dropped out would raise the standard in the Championship.

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It's in the interests of the RFL to maintain as many English sides as deserve to be in SL. We don't currently have an even fixture list (ie everyone home and away once), so the number of fixtures played does not have to increase if the number of teams in SL increases.

 

At the moment we don't have 12 clubs good enough to be in SL, but any less and we'd get even more fed up with repeat fixtures, to get in the number of games TV requires and which some clubs need to generate the corporate/sponsorship income that they can only get from a home fixture.

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I can't believe this path in the thread Bob, "but what if's...." are about as useful as the proverbial chocolate teapot. This will never have anything to do with TO or T O. Teams/clubs will be pushed aside because the argument for a 10 team SL is gathering momentum. This is even though the reduction to 12 produced no such result. What did Einstein say about doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result? The reintroduction of P - R has not been shown to improve quality either and the middle 8's haven't had enough of a run to produce anything lasting and are likely to be gone before any benefit will be clear. To be fair to P - R though, which is unusual for me, it was never about improving quality so much as going back to something more comfortable in the British sporting Psyche.

For a man who complains at others posts so much, you manage to miss the point and be obscure. 

 

The momentum for a ten team Super League has been building since 1995.  That is not saying it will not happen, the momentum for summer rugby took about sixty years.  However, it may not be as imminent as you suspect.  The reason for this stasis is that some clubs have a great deal to fear from the game progressing.  It is not the insanity you suggest, it is a deliberate decision.

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If we ever get in a position where toulouse & toronto are pushing for SL then the RFL are likely to move to a 14 team SL..

Cos its in the best interest of the RFL to maintain 10-11 full time english teams...

The RFL have to answer to the clubs first and the best interests of the game second.  That is not a dig at the RFL, just recognition of the difficult position they are in. 

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For a man who complains at others posts so much, you manage to miss the point and be obscure. That's because I'm so talented!    ;)

 

The momentum for a ten team Super League has been building since 1995.  That is not saying it will not happen, the momentum for summer rugby took about sixty years.  However, it may not be as imminent as you suspect.  The reason for this stasis is that some clubs have a great deal to fear from the game progressing.  It is not the insanity you suggest, it is a deliberate decision. That's all a bit too abstruse for me. :D

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