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Labour aren't the government, the Tories are, surely after 6 years of the Dave and Gideon show, a more pertinent question would be who trusts the Tories?

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Clement Attlee.

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UKIP have many flaws but they don't have anything on the scale of anti-Semitism in Labour

 

 

Didn't you stand as a UKIP councillor a few years ago?

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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UKIP have many flaws but they don't have anything on the scale of anti-Semitism in Labour

 

Aside from the outright distrust and contempt for foreigners.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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Didn't you stand as a UKIP councillor a few years ago?

Yeah though discovered pretty quickly I'd chosen the wrong party. There are some decent people in there (though many of these have left) but there also some rather dubious characters. I never heard anything racist but left because the party is too economically right wing and there's too much homophobia
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Aside from the outright distrust and contempt for foreigners.

Labour had a speaker slagging off Holocaust memorial day and a platter calling for the expulsion of a Jewish group handed roundat their annual conference.
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Labour had a speaker slagging off Holocaust memorial day and a platter calling for the expulsion of a Jewish group handed roundat their annual conference.

 

I know all that.

 

And I think Labour's handling of it all has revealed something very nasty in parts of the party.

 

But it does pale next to the folk following a man who says on national radio that decent people wouldn't want to live next door to some Romanians (etc)

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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I know all that.

And I think Labour's handling of it all has revealed something very nasty in parts of the party.

But it does pale next to the folk following a man who says on national radio that decent people wouldn't want to live next door to some Romanians (etc)

The main difference being that one party it is the fringe loonies coming out with the nasty stuff (and getting themselves booted out of the party for their troubles) whereas in the other party it's the party leader. :rolleyes:

"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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Ironically I think the labour party have become the very thing a lot of the Marxist/Trotskyite theories suggest in terms of representative democracy being "the executive committee of the Bourgeoisie". In many ways, falling trust in labour has led to a form of "class consciousness" where people are beginning to realise there are other parties out there other than Labour. It happened in Scotland with the SNP, and is happening across Northern England and Wales with UKIP, as well as with the Greens and Lib Dems in various other areas.

Labour are in trouble because they seem to have tried to represent everyone and now truly represent no one; the core slipping away as old allegiances to parties break down.

Though someone like Peter Hitchens proposes that both Labour and the Tories are two corpses locked by rigor mortis (and that if one fell the other would be soon to follow), I can't help but feel Labour are most at threat from voters turning to other parties; especially now Theresa May is Tory Leader.

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Ironically I think the labour party have become the very thing a lot of the Marxist/Trotskyite theories suggest in terms of representative democracy being "the executive committee of the Bourgeoisie". In many ways, falling trust in labour has led to a form of "class consciousness" where people are beginning to realise there are other parties out there other than Labour. It happened in Scotland with the SNP, and is happening across Northern England and Wales with UKIP, as well as with the Greens and Lib Dems in various other areas.

Labour are in trouble because they seem to have tried to represent everyone and now truly represent no one; the core slipping away as old allegiances to parties break down.

Though someone like Peter Hitchens proposes that both Labour and the Tories are two corpses locked by rigor mortis (and that if one fell the other would be soon to follow), I can't help but feel Labour are most at threat from voters turning to other parties; especially now Theresa May is Tory Leader.

Theresa May has been PM for three months, I think it's early days for such judgements. Already with her proposed return to the 11+ she has shown herself to be divisive. To me she has all the hallmarks of the Tory class warrior in the mould of Thatcher, but let's wait and see.  As for writing Labour off, there were plenty ready to do that in 1983, but they came back, saw off the SDP (which is what the '87 election was really about) and thumped the Tories in '97.  Again it's early days/

“Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.”

Clement Attlee.

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And of course there is Brexit.  Who knows what chaos in the economy the so called "hard" Brexit will cause.  If things go t I t s who'll get the blame?

“Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.”

Clement Attlee.

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The number of people trusting Labour continues to decline according to the latest ICM/Guardian poll.

 

Con       43%

Lab       26%

LDem     8%

UKIP     11%

Green    6%

 

Frankly,this is an unheard of lead for an incumbent Govt,mid term - Labour would need to be some 7/8% clear to have any realistic chance of forming the next Govt.That is before the boundary changes negate the inbuilt Labour advantage of 2.3%.

 

Shortly,we will start to hear of moderate Labour M.P.'s opting not to stand at the next election,in order to spend more time with their families,whilst other moderates will be de selected by Momentum.Even the M.P.'s themselves dont trust Corbyn,as he still has failed to fill his front bench,after the sacking of Rosie Winterton and the resignation of two others.Two betting companies are now suggesting that Labour will secure less than 150 seats at the next election.

 

Even the Scots have had enough of the incompetent Labour Party.

 

SNP     50%

Con     21%

Lab      16%

LDem     5%

Green     4%

UKIP       4%

 

Is a split now inevitable,either before or after the next election?

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Similar to your Tory one,you seem quite keen on that one!!

The difference being that the Tories are the government and doing things to spoil people's lives.  Let's reserve judgement on Labour until the Brexit solids his the air conditioner.  All the talk of how well we're doing since Brexit is just that, talk.  We haven't Brexited yet and already the pound has plunged.

“Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.”

Clement Attlee.

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But there is already a labour thread. A quite long labour thread.

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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