Dragons too strong for plucky Bulldogs

[Supertyke]

Plenty of merit for the Dogs though, we mustn't forget how well the Dragons have been playing this season....

Just sometimes we make life difficult for ourselves...

 

http://bulldogstalk.net/dragons-too-strong-for-plucky-bulldogs/

[phildog]

Apart from that purple patch at the beginning of the 2nd half (which we had v Fev remember) this was a well contested game. Had we conceded only 1 or 2 tries instead of 4 the score would have been fairer. We came back strong and could have had a bit of luck. Many have had a go at the ref; he did well for me, only one thing though, he should have yellow carded Mason for a high tackle, other than that I felt he favoured us more with penalties.

[ernieone]

After watching the game last night Mr hewer gave us nothing,every free kick was justified.He did not have the bottle to sin bin the Catalans players for various offences and from the recording one or two tries could of been chalked off with the assistance of his touch judges

[Keep The Faith]

https://tombatley.wordpress.com/2016/05/09/dragons-slay-the-dogs/

[Supertyke]

Two Catalan players have been charged for a grade A and grade B dangerous throw...

http://www.loverugbyleague.com/news_21910-two-catalans-players-charged.html

[phildog]

I said elsewhere that refs have to bite the bullet there and then, 'putting on report' is a cop out and does a disservice to the team offended against on the day. A yellow card would have done 2 things: first, given us a rest for 10 minutes in dealing with their pressure and giving us a chance to break them down and second, would have given Catalans warning that they weren't going to get away with it just because they were a Super League side. I think the worst offence was the high shot from Mason: commentators said the tackle started at ball height and slipped up, but it was a reckless throwing out of the arm with no control, so it was obviously going to be high to start with. That was time when, if a team warning had been in place after a few previous high shots, there would have been no option but to have shown a card. Yes, we were 20 odd behind at that stage, and it wouldn't have changed the result but it would have sent out a message that refs ref on what they see not who the teams are. Other than that, I don't think Hewer had a shocker by any means and the penalty count, showing at 5-2 in our favour in the RL press suggests that far from being against us, he looked after us.

[ernieone]

I never said he had a shocker I just gave my point of view. The 5-2 penalty count was nothing to do with Hewer "looking after us" it was because Catalan were not playing within the laws of the game. 

[doggystyle]

Gareth Hewer did not receive the support he needed from his colleagues on the line. The penalty count should have been in double figures and I'm not surprised the disciplinary panel are charging those individuals. Our lads had very little protection from the officials that night and it's not on!

[colinb]

I do feel the assistant referees, bad choice of description, are doing less and less, they look at the defensive lines, see what we see, players way in front,but do absolutely nothing, they see ball reefing and do nothing, they see 3rd man in ,and do nothing. WHY.

Would really appreciate an answer from a touchjudge/assistant referee , any comment Jonny Roberts??

[Bill H]

I said elsewhere that refs have to bite the bullet there and then, 'putting on report' is a cop out and does a disservice to the team offended against on the day. A yellow card would have done 2 things: first, given us a rest for 10 minutes in dealing with their pressure and giving us a chance to break them down and second, would have given Catalans warning that they weren't going to get away with it just because they were a Super League side. I think the worst offence was the high shot from Mason: commentators said the tackle started at ball height and slipped up, but it was a reckless throwing out of the arm with no control, so it was obviously going to be high to start with. That was time when, if a team warning had been in place after a few previous high shots, there would have been no option but to have shown a card. Yes, we were 20 odd behind at that stage, and it wouldn't have changed the result but it would have sent out a message that refs ref on what they see not who the teams are. Other than that, I don't think Hewer had a shocker by any means and the penalty count, showing at 5-2 in our favour in the RL press suggests that far from being against us, he looked after us.

I didn't think that Mason's tackle was malicious and the ref seemed to get that one right judging from the video.  I couldn't agree more, though, with your comment about the "putting on report" system.  Given the resources available on the night Mr Hewer should have been able to give a decision on the spot.  Can referees give yellow cards and a review on a particular incident? A yellow card redresses the wrong done to the opposition but is not much of a punishment if a player has behaved in a dangerous manner.  A red card addresses both issues but needs to be used with caution because referees can get it wrong and it can spoil a game.  Perhaps we should see referees give yellow cards and report coupled with a more forgiving attitude if the subsequent review shows that the ref had been a bit "harsh". 

[Piggy's mate]

I thought by putting a player on report the ref had to sin bin them for 10 mins?

[Bill H]

Forgive any confusion on my part, it would seem not to be the case PM.  For example Taylor was put on report but not sin binned.  

[Bill H]

Forgive any confusion on my part, but it would seem not to be the case PM.  For example Taylor was put on report but not sin binned.  

[Piggy's mate]

Forgive any confusion on my part, it would seem not to be the case PM.  For example Taylor was put on report but not sin binned.  

 

I agree Bi11, but I thought at the beginning of the season any player put on report was automatically sin binned. It's obviously not but by the fact the Ref puts a player on report, especially for an obvious spear tackle there is no benefit to the recipient/team of the foul play. It would make sense to put them on report and rather than send them off at least bin them for 10 mins. I remember (Manning?) being given a straight red against Huddersfield for a high shot some years ago but we never seem to get the same protection! 

[Bill H]

There is an argument, I suppose, that a referee puts a player on report because he is unsure of the incident and that therefore a yellow card would be inappropriate.  I'm with you though, PM, and would like to see more use of the yellow card combined with on report so that the disadvantaged team receives some benefit but also so that there is further action against the offending player if necessary.   

[9' oller]

Mason wasnt worth a yellow but the spear tackle was on keegan.

The forearm smash was aimed at rowes chest and rode up as rowe lowered into tackle + no apparent injury.

Hewer is a poor championship ref never mind televised super league tie

[LongStand]

Important to remember that virtually the same Catalans humbled St.Helens at Langtree Park only three weeks or so back. Our first half performance was as near to SL vs SL as you will witness, .We just lacked that decisive finishing in front of their posts, so clinically executed from them in the second half.  Many positives going into HX game (fingers crossed!) 

[Batley Bob]

Important to remember that virtually the same Catalans humbled St.Helens at Langtree Park only three weeks or so back. Our first half performance was as near to SL vs SL as you will witness, .We just lacked that decisive finishing in front of their posts, so clinically executed from them in the second half.  Many positives going into HX game (fingers crossed!) 

They also travelled to Hull k r and beat them 40.0 on 7th apr , put 30 on saints following week in a 30.12 win then beat salford 42.32 , so we did ok for a championship side

[Supertyke]

"Dave Taylor and Jason Baitieri will both miss Saturday’s game with Huddersfield after being charged by The RFL.

Both players used their early guilty plea following incidents in Friday’s Challenge Cup victory over Batley, with both found guilty of Grade B dangerous throws.

Taylor was not banned for a similar offence that was given a Grade A charge."

Source totalrl.com

[doggystyle]

We all knew at the time that they were guilty. Shame the officials bottled it so that Hudds benefit rather than us. Don't get me wrong, I don't think we would have won but who knows? Means nothing when guys miss following up games rather than doing penance on the day.

[grumpyoldram]

We all knew at the time that they were guilty. Shame the officials bottled it so that Hudds benefit rather than us. Don't get me wrong, I don't think we would have won but who knows? Means nothing when guys miss following up games rather than doing penance on the day.

A bugbear of mine too. It is feasible that the ban taking place for the subsequent match could disadvantage the victims if it meant that the beneficiaries of the ban were effectively strengthened. Could be critical in a relegation dogfight. Well I know what I mean anyway. 

[Piggy's mate]

A bugbear of mine too. It is feasible that the ban taking place for the subsequent match could disadvantage the victims if it meant that the beneficiaries of the ban were effectively strengthened. Could be critical in a relegation dogfight. Well I know what I mean anyway. 

 

I think you need to up the medication GOR

[grumpyoldram]

I think you need to up the medication GOR

On a re - read it sounds like the small print on an insurance policy. 

[Piggy's mate]

I see Mr Hewer got a jolly to Catalans to ref the game against Huddersfield! A coincidence I'm sure

[9' oller]

I hope the french do a sickly garlic jam for the sellafield midget. Hows that for a generalised and judgemental quip