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The current protocol of the 'Live On-Field Decision' simply isn't working, as was proved yesterday in the Wigan vs Castleford game.

It's sad when social media is full of abuse directed at Robert Hicks.

Blame the protocol, not the person. Rob just applied the rules to the current letter.

So where do we go?

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I saw that thread but what happened yesterday is more than Robert Hicks guessing.

The protocol is broken.

When did we first see this in action, 2013 with the RLWC? It was fundamentally flawed then. I remarked to myself at the time it will never be used here then lo and behold it was shunted in. I bet there wasn't a single bit of evidence to prove how it functioned better than the protocol it replaced. The mission creep from "professional" referees gilding their roles has been spoken about before and this is a perfect example.

As for Robert Hicks, blame the protocol yes but there was more than enough to show that he never got a finger to the ball.

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Out with the video referee.

 

Spend the money on something worthwhile.

 

Just accept errors,once in a while,from the on-pitch officials.

 

And as soon as a replay shows a try should/shouldn't have been allowed the wailing will start to bring back the video ref.

 

The video ref genie is well and truly out of the botlle and isn't going back in.

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When did we first see this in action, 2013 with the RLWC? It was fundamentally flawed then. I remarked to myself at the time it will never be used here then lo and behold it was shunted in. I bet there wasn't a single bit of evidence to prove how it functioned better than the protocol it replaced. The mission creep from "professional" referees gilding their roles has been spoken about before and this is a perfect example.

As for Robert Hicks, blame the protocol yes but there was more than enough to show that he never got a finger to the ball.

They've had this in the NRL since 2014. We only started using it last year.

It's an absolute nightmare and unless the RFL are going to go down the bunker system route then it drastically needs changing.

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Easy solution as Futtocks pointed out on the match thread; introduce a third call - undecided. That would allow the VR to base his decision entirely on what he sees.

"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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Can you imagine if the score had been Wigan 12 Cas 15 and Hicks had awarded the try?

 

Would that situation have "sharpened his mind" somewhat?

 

The current situation isn't flexible enough to allow for a ref's common sense.

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The laws of the game actually state that a referee cannot disallow a try because he didn't see the ball grounded. If they follow the laws of the game no 'try' should be sent upstairs as a 'No Try' when the ref didn't see it grounded. His position should follow the law and in those circumstances it should always be presumed a try.

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The laws of the game actually state that a referee cannot disallow a try because he didn't see the ball grounded. If they follow the laws of the game no 'try' should be sent upstairs as a 'No Try' when the ref didn't see it grounded. His position should follow the law and in those circumstances it should always be presumed a try.

Always enjoy your efforts Padge but that's like me always presuming I'll win the Lotto.

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The one item which puzzles me, is the fact that if the ref indicates a try, why question and subverse his own personal decision by sending it upstairs?. In my opinion this indicates a lack of responsibility and back bone.

If he is genuinely undecided, for whatever reason, then it should be referred.

Why not have, due to the fact that they cannot keep up with the pace of the game, two refs on the field, thus enabling one to retreat to the goal line area?.

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I saw that thread but what happened yesterday is more than Robert Hicks guessing.

The protocol is broken.

The protocol isn't broken as the VR stuck to it. The Ref gave a try - the VR couldn't see enough, for whatever reason, to disallow it and it was a try.

The Ref is new and from what I've seen will be good. The issue appears to be that he gave 'Try' before sending it up. Down to the refs decision.

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The one item which puzzles me, is the fact that if the ref indicates a try, why question and subverse his own personal decision by sending it upstairs?. In my opinion this indicates a lack of responsibility and back bone.

If he is genuinely undecided, for whatever reason, then it should be referred.

Why not have, due to the fact that they cannot keep up with the pace of the game, two refs on the field, thus enabling one to retreat to the goal line area?.

Do you mean in goal judges?

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The protocol isn't broken as the VR stuck to it. The Ref gave a try - the VR couldn't see enough, for whatever reason, to disallow it and it was a try.

The Ref is new and from what I've seen will be good. The issue appears to be that he gave 'Try' before sending it up. Down to the refs decision.

The ref didn't do anything wrong

The VR didn't do anything wrong

The decision was wrong

Therefore either the system isn't working and needs changing or we just have to live with these decisions after all no system will be 100% accurate

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Again we have people trying to defend a wrong call by allsorts of excuses. Plain and simple Hicks looks at that and can clearly see he missed the ball.All the other things like protocol and the onfield call are irrelevant.

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Again we have people trying to defend a wrong call by allsorts of excuses. Plain and simple Hicks looks at that and can clearly see he missed the ball.All the other things like protocol and the onfield call are irrelevant.

That's a very definite claim you're making. Has Hicks actually said that he knew it was a no try, but still claimed that it was?

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It's not a claim it's what happened clearly on the field and all the replays show that.

I am not a fan of either club but that decision took the shine of a good performance by Wigan and made our officials look embarrassing on prime time TV.

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The ref didn't do anything wrong

The VR didn't do anything wrong

The decision was wrong

Therefore either the system isn't working and needs changing or we just have to live with these decisions after all no system will be 100% accurate

Agreed.

Agreed.

Agreed. But both followed the protocol.

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The laws of the game actually state that a referee cannot disallow a try because he didn't see the ball grounded. If they follow the laws of the game no 'try' should be sent upstairs as a 'No Try' when the ref didn't see it grounded. His position should follow the law and in those circumstances it should always be presumed a try.

Chris (son of Bottleless Get Ronnie) Campbell should not have awarded the try he should have called no try, because at no time did the player's hand appear to bein contact with the ball. (The law says downward pressure).  And then the idiot Robert Hicks (how the hell did he get to be a SL ref?  He was rubbish in the Championship) wouldn't have had a problem.  Cas also scored off a blatant forward pass too!  What a prat.  Come to that it was Gidley who touched the ball last when Widnes were penalised for offside.  Our referees are a joke. 

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Always enjoy your efforts Padge but that's like me always presuming I'll win the Lotto.

 

Don't know get what you are getting at, if the ref follows the law, that is what it says. We now have refs saying no try when he didn't see it and sending upstairs, that is a direct contradiction of the laws. At least before he never offered an opinion.

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Chris (son of Bottleless Get Ronnie) Campbell should not have awarded the try he should have called no try, because at no time did the player's hand appear to bein contact with the ball. (The law says downward pressure).  And then the idiot Robert Hicks (how the hell did he get to be a SL ref?  He was rubbish in the Championship) wouldn't have had a problem.  Cas also scored off a blatant forward pass too!  What a prat.  Come to that it was Gidley who touched the ball last when Widnes were penalised for offside.  Our referees are a joke. 

 

Correct, the laws do say downward pressure, they don't say how much though.

 

I'll repeat this because people seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick. Under the old system it would probably (and correctly in my opinion) not been given, under the current stupid system the VR had no choice.

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Correct, the laws do say downward pressure, they don't say how much though.

 

I'll repeat this because people seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick. Under the old system it would probably (and correctly in my opinion) not been given, under the current stupid system the VR had no choice.

But in this case there was no pressure at all because there was clearly no contact.  I'm reminded of an incident years ago at Burnden park (I think, that dates it)  Dessie Drummond and the ball were in the "in-goal" at the same time but at no point in contact with one another.  The ref gave the try. When the video ref came in I thought, well at least incidents like that are a thing of the past.  Fortunately, in the Wigan-Cas game it didn't affect the result as it did in the Wire-Widnes game.

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