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Why are Foorward Passes ignored?


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#1 UnionMan

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 05:39 PM

Watched some very good games on the tv over recent weeks but crucial tries have been scored from blatant Forward passes.
Its often hard for the ref as he is 10M back but it seems that the linesmen have been deliberatlely instructed to ignore them as I've hardly seem one given all season by them.
PS I do understand the momentum rule before we start

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 05:42 PM



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Posted 22 August 2010 - 05:43 PM

it is becoming a joke, and similar to how union used to ignore them some years ago, i believe teams now throw deliberate forward passes on the last play because, if a try comes from it it can't be checked.
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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:27 AM

QUOTE (my missus @ Aug 22 2010, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it is becoming a joke, and similar to how union used to ignore them some years ago, i believe teams now throw deliberate forward passes on the last play because, if a try comes from it it can't be checked.


the ref can still call a forward pass! it does not have to be video ref decision.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:31 AM

Very good thread - watching Sky News last night my Mrs even commented on 3 of the Bradford tries being a joke. Not jusdt forward but embarrassingly so - I'm afraid we're similar to the Union days of old
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:47 AM

for years Saints threw forward passes and got away with it. what then happened was other clubs rightly stated what Saints were getting away with, and rather than pull Saints up about it they let the top teams get away with it.
Quins RL, Catalans, Salford, and Bradford do not have the luxury of being let off forward passes like some clubs.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:54 AM

Most "forward passes" in fact aren't, its just fans who don't know the rules.

First off the ball does not have to travel backwards.


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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:55 AM

QUOTE (Padge @ Aug 23 2010, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most "forward passes" in fact aren't, its just fans who don't know the rules.

First off the ball does not have to travel backwards.


ANy more patronising posts today?
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 09:13 AM

QUOTE (Padge @ Aug 23 2010, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most "forward passes" in fact aren't, its just fans who don't know the rules.

First off the ball does not have to travel backwards.


Correct, but it also can't travel forwards. (Patronising return of service).

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 09:16 AM

QUOTE (deluded pom? @ Aug 23 2010, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Correct, but it also can't travel forwards. (Patronising return of service).


Can't it?

The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and
not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running
towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards
a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s
own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the
ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not
passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is
particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high,
lobbed pass.


#11 Hannibal

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 09:18 AM

It's not just in league either.

Did anyone catch the McCaw try for NZ against SA on Saturday?

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 09:19 AM

QUOTE (Hannibal @ Aug 23 2010, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not just in league either.

Did anyone catch the McCaw try for NZ against SA on Saturday?


Indeed!!!
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 09:23 AM



Very hard to tell. Perhaps we should go the other way and penalise anything that might be forward.

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#14 Hannibal

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 09:24 AM

QUOTE (Kenilworth Tiger @ Aug 23 2010, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Indeed!!!

That was as blatant a forward pass as I have ever seen, and made even more noticeable, to everyone except the referee, by the fact that the pass was only about 4 feet long.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 09:26 AM

QUOTE (Hannibal @ Aug 23 2010, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not just in league either.

Did anyone catch the McCaw try for NZ against SA on Saturday?


Presumably McCaw caught it. dry.gif

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 09:27 AM

QUOTE (sallywt @ Aug 23 2010, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can't it?

The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and
not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running
towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards
a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s
own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the
ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not
passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is
particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high,
lobbed pass.



I would have got away with it but for those confounded pesky kids. You know what I mean. It can't travel forwards if there's no momentum involved. wink.gif I pretty sure, although it's just a guess, that there will be some tries that the OP has seen that didn't have any momentum element in the pass.

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#17 Hannibal

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 09:28 AM

QUOTE (tim2 @ Aug 23 2010, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Presumably McCaw caught it. dry.gif

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Actually no, it was in the build up to the try.

McCaw went in at the opposite corner, and despite the fact that his foot was clearly in touch, the video ref didn't see that either.

#18 deluded pom?

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 09:30 AM

QUOTE (tim2 @ Aug 23 2010, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


Very hard to tell. Perhaps we should go the other way and penalise anything that might be forward.



It's a no win situation for the ref but what I can't get my head around is the fact that we can't use the VR for forward passes because camera angles can be misleading but we CAN use the VR to determine onside/offside with those same camera angles. huh.gif

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 01:44 PM

QUOTE (UnionMan @ Aug 22 2010, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Watched some very good games on the tv over recent weeks but crucial tries have been scored from blatant Forward passes.
Its often hard for the ref as he is 10M back but it seems that the linesmen have been deliberatlely instructed to ignore them as I've hardly seem one given all season by them.
PS I do understand the momentum rule before we start



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Posted 23 August 2010 - 01:47 PM

QUOTE (NEIL FOX IS GOD @ Aug 23 2010, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Leeds never score from a forward pass biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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