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Has he not got over being suspended?

With Halloween coming up I decided to go to my local fancy dress shop to see if I could get a Dracula costume. After a few minutes the assistant handed me a Hull KR shirt asking "Is this suitable?", I replied "I think you may have misheard me, I said I wanted to look like a count."
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No doubt this will allow the story behind the suspension to be suppressed.

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Just a bit too hands on for a non playing rfl member

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I want to express my appreciation for all the service he has given to the game. Referees have an often thankless task and do not take up the whistle for either popularity or fortune. Rugby league is not awash with high quality, experienced officials; losing one of those we do have is definitely a setback for the game.

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Jumped before he's pushed (so to speak)

 

Why, was he down to ref Josh Charnley's next match?  :ph34r:

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Why, was he down to ref Josh Charnley's next match?  :ph34r:

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With Halloween coming up I decided to go to my local fancy dress shop to see if I could get a Dracula costume. After a few minutes the assistant handed me a Hull KR shirt asking "Is this suitable?", I replied "I think you may have misheard me, I said I wanted to look like a count."
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Without compromising themselves or him anyone know what the background to this is?

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I understand it was an incident at the Magic Weekend.

 

Seeing as he hasn't reffed since then it would appear that might be correct.

 

I'll pm you what I've heard as it wouldn't last long on here.

With Halloween coming up I decided to go to my local fancy dress shop to see if I could get a Dracula costume. After a few minutes the assistant handed me a Hull KR shirt asking "Is this suitable?", I replied "I think you may have misheard me, I said I wanted to look like a count."
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I understand it was an incident at the Magic Weekend.

 

Seeing as he hasn't reffed since then it would appear that might be correct.

 

I'll pm you what I've heard as it wouldn't last long on here.

PM me too please OF

 

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What I have read Silverwood seems to have fallen foul of a climate at the RFL within a group of senior Referees. Ganson was an early example but I was told on the day leading up to the Magic Weekend that there had been a lot of fun and games in and around the Hospitality Suite at Wembley last year. Power and "fame" can be difficult to handle for some. It is ironic that those who are responsible for discipline on the field seem to let themselves down off it!

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What I have read Silverwood seems to have fallen foul of a climate at the RFL within a group of senior Referees. Ganson was an early example but I was told on the day leading up to the Magic Weekend that there had been a lot of fun and games in and around the Hospitality Suite at Wembley last year. Power and "fame" can be difficult to handle for some. It is ironic that those who are responsible for discipline on the field seem to let themselves down off it!

 

I'm sure there is more to this than meets the eye. I have a heard a couple of (poor behaviour) stories about Ganson - when he was a ref and since he gained control.

 

George Stokes resigned suddenly with no further comment since - wonder why? (Cue comments about his reffing)

 

I have no idea what has supposed to have happened beyond the rumour and speculation.

 

What I do know is - a lot of former players and referees are wishing Richard Silverwood well on his time line and he had gained a lot of respect on the pitch.

 

I have long speculated and still believe the RFL is rotten to the core - and for the forseeable future will stay that way.

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I'm sure there is more to this than meets the eye. I have a heard a couple of (poor behaviour) stories about Ganson - when he was a ref and since he gained control.

 

George Stokes resigned suddenly with no further comment since - wonder why? (Cue comments about his reffing).

There was a brief statement about George Stokes. From what I did hear, he didn't really want to leave his job to be a full time ref in SL. His job was a pretty good high paid job and he decided to continue down that route instead. He could still ref part time in the Championship if he wanted.

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I suspect a deal has been done to let him leave without any fuss, as part of that deal he leaves with "honour" and the RFL thank him for his efforts, and everyone signs a non-disclosure agreement about what actually happened.

 

I have issues with that.  Firstly, given this is about refereeing, which I agree is a thankless and difficult task having tried my hand at it years ago, there can be as US President Richard Nixon put it, "There can be no whitewash at the White House".  The same applies to Red Hall.  The disciplinary actions around referees have to be heard in public, harsh as that seems it hs to be done so everyone knows that any issues affecting refereeing are towards conduct off the pitch, personal issues, or other and NOT, most definitely NOT regarding their actions on the pitch.  There are fans of clubs, both Hull clubs for certain, who would suggest that in their opinion that there was little point attending games he refereed for the sides as a loss was almost guaranteed.  That is their opinion, they are entitled to that opinion, as are fans of other clubs.  

 

But the secrecy that surrounds the dealings of referees, especially with recent high level resignations, has to be dismantled so that rumour and supposition are put down quickly and clearly and that the custodians of the game on the pitch are seen to be above reproach, are seen to be unbiased, are safe hands to run the matches, and that the inevitable errors that are made refereeing matches are genuine, the result of human error, blocked vision, lack of clarity in the video replay, or other benign reasons.  Otherwise people will feel that their fears are being realised.

 

There are people of ill intent that would look to skew results for the sake of betting results, on the most obscure of events, looking back within the NRL there was the Ryan Tandy incident in 2010, the betting scandal in 2004 with Sean Long and Martin Gleeson, thankfully incidents that are rare and severely punished.  But we have to know there is no taint in the pool of referees, they have to be above suspicion, they have to be seen to be clean.  Hiding things, letting people resign to avoid further action, which may or may not be the case here, is not the way to conduct matters, it leads to speculation, rumour, and falsehood that is more damaging to the sport. 

 

Refereeing needs to be more open to scrutiny by the public to ensure our ongoing confidence in what is a difficult and thankless job, that is healthy for the sport.  We would all be reassured if matters were dealt with openly and that incidents on or off the field are down to human frailty ir a failure of the technology, and not due to suspicious circumstances, the involvement of betting syndicates, or other elements we don't need in the sport.

 

I shall clamber down off my soapbox and have a cup of tea.

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I suspect a deal has been done to let him leave without any fuss, as part of that deal he leaves with "honour" and the RFL thank him for his efforts, and everyone signs a non-disclosure agreement about what actually happened.

 

I have issues with that.  Firstly, given this is about refereeing, which I agree is a thankless and difficult task having tried my hand at it years ago, there can be as US President Richard Nixon put it, "There can be no whitewash at the White House".  The same applies to Red Hall.  The disciplinary actions around referees have to be heard in public, harsh as that seems it hs to be done so everyone knows that any issues affecting refereeing are towards conduct off the pitch, personal issues, or other and NOT, most definitely NOT regarding their actions on the pitch.  There are fans of clubs, both Hull clubs for certain, who would suggest that in their opinion that there was little point attending games he refereed for the sides as a loss was almost guaranteed.  That is their opinion, they are entitled to that opinion, as are fans of other clubs.  

 

But the secrecy that surrounds the dealings of referees, especially with recent high level resignations, has to be dismantled so that rumour and supposition are put down quickly and clearly and that the custodians of the game on the pitch are seen to be above reproach, are seen to be unbiased, are safe hands to run the matches, and that the inevitable errors that are made refereeing matches are genuine, the result of human error, blocked vision, lack of clarity in the video replay, or other benign reasons.  Otherwise people will feel that their fears are being realised.

 

There are people of ill intent that would look to skew results for the sake of betting results, on the most obscure of events, looking back within the NRL there was the Ryan Tandy incident in 2010, the betting scandal in 2004 with Sean Long and Martin Gleeson, thankfully incidents that are rare and severely punished.  But we have to know there is no taint in the pool of referees, they have to be above suspicion, they have to be seen to be clean.  Hiding things, letting people resign to avoid further action, which may or may not be the case here, is not the way to conduct matters, it leads to speculation, rumour, and falsehood that is more damaging to the sport. 

 

Refereeing needs to be more open to scrutiny by the public to ensure our ongoing confidence in what is a difficult and thankless job, that is healthy for the sport.  We would all be reassured if matters were dealt with openly and that incidents on or off the field are down to human frailty ir a failure of the technology, and not due to suspicious circumstances, the involvement of betting syndicates, or other elements we don't need in the sport.

 

I shall clamber down off my soapbox and have a cup of tea.

 

Whilst I agree there should be more transparency on referees, Silverwood left for off-field indiscretions which therefore have no impact upon the actual game, so much like the Bateman incident, should be left to be dealt with behind closed doors

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Whilst I agree there should be more transparency on referees, Silverwood left for off-field indiscretions which therefore have no impact upon the actual game, so much like the Bateman incident, should be left to be dealt with behind closed doors

Different circumstances I understand.

 

With the Bateman incident, the "complainant" was another player that presumably was able to be pursuaded by the Wigan club not to pursue the matter.

 

With the Silverwood incident, regarding the "complainant", I have a feeling it's not quite as straightforward as that.

With Halloween coming up I decided to go to my local fancy dress shop to see if I could get a Dracula costume. After a few minutes the assistant handed me a Hull KR shirt asking "Is this suitable?", I replied "I think you may have misheard me, I said I wanted to look like a count."
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I suspect a deal has been done to let him leave without any fuss, as part of that deal he leaves with "honour" and the RFL thank him for his efforts, and everyone signs a non-disclosure agreement about what actually happened.

 

I have issues with that.  Firstly, given this is about refereeing, which I agree is a thankless and difficult task having tried my hand at it years ago, there can be as US President Richard Nixon put it, "There can be no whitewash at the White House".  The same applies to Red Hall.  The disciplinary actions around referees have to be heard in public, harsh as that seems it hs to be done so everyone knows that any issues affecting refereeing are towards conduct off the pitch, personal issues, or other and NOT, most definitely NOT regarding their actions on the pitch.  There are fans of clubs, both Hull clubs for certain, who would suggest that in their opinion that there was little point attending games he refereed for the sides as a loss was almost guaranteed.  That is their opinion, they are entitled to that opinion, as are fans of other clubs.  

 

But the secrecy that surrounds the dealings of referees, especially with recent high level resignations, has to be dismantled so that rumour and supposition are put down quickly and clearly and that the custodians of the game on the pitch are seen to be above reproach, are seen to be unbiased, are safe hands to run the matches, and that the inevitable errors that are made refereeing matches are genuine, the result of human error, blocked vision, lack of clarity in the video replay, or other benign reasons.  Otherwise people will feel that their fears are being realised.

 

There are people of ill intent that would look to skew results for the sake of betting results, on the most obscure of events, looking back within the NRL there was the Ryan Tandy incident in 2010, the betting scandal in 2004 with Sean Long and Martin Gleeson, thankfully incidents that are rare and severely punished.  But we have to know there is no taint in the pool of referees, they have to be above suspicion, they have to be seen to be clean.  Hiding things, letting people resign to avoid further action, which may or may not be the case here, is not the way to conduct matters, it leads to speculation, rumour, and falsehood that is more damaging to the sport. 

 

Refereeing needs to be more open to scrutiny by the public to ensure our ongoing confidence in what is a difficult and thankless job, that is healthy for the sport.  We would all be reassured if matters were dealt with openly and that incidents on or off the field are down to human frailty ir a failure of the technology, and not due to suspicious circumstances, the involvement of betting syndicates, or other elements we don't need in the sport.

 

I shall clamber down off my soapbox and have a cup of tea.

 

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This is what I thought at the time;

 

"I'm sure there is more to this than meets the eye. I have a heard a couple of (poor behaviour) stories about Ganson - when he was a ref and since he gained control.

 

George Stokes resigned suddenly with no further comment since - wonder why? (Cue comments about his reffing)

 

I have no idea what has supposed to have happened beyond the rumour and speculation.

 

What I do know is - a lot of former players and referees are wishing Richard Silverwood well on his time line and he had gained a lot of respect on the pitch.

 

I have long speculated and still believe the RFL is rotten to the core - and for the forseeable future will stay that way."

 

Amazed to see that the article regards the Referees Dept this weekend hasn't generated a thread - but there you go.

 

Appalling report - and under any other circumstances - there would be a chance that change may follow on the back of it.

 

However, as the RFL constitution states they only answer to themselves - I have no doubt it will continue as is - depressingly.

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Amazed to see that the article regards the Referees Dept this weekend hasn't generated a thread - but there you go.

I've not seen it. Which article?

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This is what I thought at the time;

"I'm sure there is more to this than meets the eye. I have a heard a couple of (poor behaviour) stories about Ganson - when he was a ref and since he gained control.

George Stokes resigned suddenly with no further comment since - wonder why? (Cue comments about his reffing)

I have no idea what has supposed to have happened beyond the rumour and speculation.

What I do know is - a lot of former players and referees are wishing Richard Silverwood well on his time line and he had gained a lot of respect on the pitch.

I have long speculated and still believe the RFL is rotten to the core - and for the forseeable future will stay that way."

Amazed to see that the article regards the Referees Dept this weekend hasn't generated a thread - but there you go.

Appalling report - and under any other circumstances - there would be a chance that change may follow on the back of it.

However, as the RFL constitution states they only answer to themselves - I have no doubt it will continue as is - depressingly.

Article?

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