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  1. 4 points
    I'm conscious that we seem to have folk who come on here, who for some strange reason can't be arrised with reading the previous 73 pages of this thread. And so have to waste valuable time composing from scratch their scathing post attacking the RFL and the Bulls for the clear favouritism that is being shown. Therefore, in a generous gesture for saving such future posters time, I thought I would cobble together a standard template for them to use. It is based on the 2,376 previous posts saying almost exactly the same thing: This is a [insert expletive] disgrace! Yet again the RFL are showing blatant favouritism to their pet [insert name of animal] club Bradford. Anyone suggesting that the RFL plan is probably the worst option for Bradford, saying they face a horrid season and almost certain relegation at the end of it, is clearly talking [insert suitable word meaning male gonads] and is [insert term suggesting either mental health issues or self-pleasuring] and can go [insert action that is anatomically impossible] and then stick their argument up their [insert orifice]. No one supported [name of club] when they were in difficulty in [insert year and century]. No-one offered to buy [name of ground]. No one from the RFL offered to help anyone else that was in the poop, least of all [insert name of club, area, region, county or planet]. Instead, we/they [delete as applicable] had to cut their cloth/live within their means/sack the tealady/run naked down the town hall steps [delete as applicable] and if that meant sleeping in a cardboard box in t'middle o'road, so be it. Bradford must be punished/relegated/wound up/shot [delete as applicable] and made to start again in Championship 1/Pennine League/Mongolia/Hell/Wakefield [delete as applicable]. That is what happened to every other club when this happened, and anyone who proves it was otherwise is a [insert abusive term], especially that Adeybull [inset seriously bad abusive term] who seems obsessed with spotting straw men (each to his own I guess...). The RFL rules state quite clearly that, in this situation, a club should be relegated/have all their points removed/have all their bits removed [delete as applicable], and again anyone who proves it was otherwise is a [insert term already used to describe Adeybull, with additional naughty adjective]. [Insert name of club, provided it is not your own] should be immediately promoted to the Championship to replace Bradford, regardless of whether they can afford it/they want it/they are prepared for it/their chairman has got a clue what league they are in anyway [delete as applicable]. Whatever income is lost to other clubs because of removing Bradford should be paid to the clubs by [insert name of anyone but yourself] and recovered by [insert description of medieval punishment, not involving removal of more that four parts of the anatomy and preferably not involving lingering death] inflicted on the Bradford fans. They were clearly all complicit and anyway, and are all moaning how [insert whinging term] their club has been treated and how Bradford should anyway be back in SL/allowed never have to pay any creditors/given extra points/given a new stadium/allowed to pee on everyone else/survive [delete as applicable]. Even if it is proven to me that none of them ever said any such thing. And most of those fans were stolen from Halifax/Batley/Keighley/Dewsbury/Brighouse/Tunbridge Wells/Mars [delete as applicable] so it serves them right anyway. The RFL is a [insert libelous desription that could get the forum sued] and should be shut down because of the corruption that goes on/blatant favouritism/excessive pie bills for the CEO/responsibility for global warming, world poverty, Trump and Brexit [delete as applicable]. It is a scandal, and I'm so angry I have just thrown my teddy out/kicked the dog/trashed my car/hacked the Pentagon and started WW3 [delete as applicable, including yourself for the last option] . I hope this helps, and saves some time?
  2. 4 points
    Should be showing names now, same as the old system. Also, I've changed it so you can 'like' as many posts as you want now, not limited to 10 per day, to try to encourage people to be nicer to each other on here. Spread the joy.
  3. 3 points
    might i recommend eating raw jelly cubes as a fingernail strengthener? cos if this season is going to be owt like last, your nails are going to be whittled away to stubs.....what an amazing adrenaline filled way to prove youre alive! better than extreme sports for that rush any day of the week!
  4. 2 points
  5. 2 points
    But its OK to go after the Police and blame them for killing him based on no evidence? Why is it OK not to judge a known violent Criminal, but OK to Judge the police in a dangerous situation, where they are risking the life of themselves and others? It seems some people are just happy to blame the Police and ignore the fact this guy was a lowlife scumbag that has a history of violence and using firearms as well as being a major drug dealer. The Police make mistakes and there are bad cops. But to paint all Police as corrupt is in my experience very much wide of the mark. Most of them are top people that put themselves at risk for the benefit of us to have a safer society. Hopefully the bad cops are weeded out. But I so far see no evidence of corruption in this case except those that have an agenda.
  6. 2 points
    In November 2010 Crusaders enterd administration to protect themselves from being wound up by a petition from HMRC and possible action from Leighton Samuels. They faced a 6 points penalty for the next season following their failure. However Owners Geoff Moss and Ian Roberts, after talks with administrators, agreed to take on some of the debt which the RFL saw in a favourable light so gave them a 4 point penalty In July 2011 Crusaders withdrew their application for a Super League license for the 2012 to 2015 season. At the end of the 2011 season the club resigned from the RFL after the owners wound up the business. A new club was formed for season 2012 and the club was offered a place in tier 3 but they requested that they enter at the second tier, the RFL turned them down and they entered in tier 3. As the original club had been folded and resigned from the RFL there was no justification for a points sanction and a place in tier 2, though under RFL rules they could have done that and maybe that was an option offered , we just don't know. Wakefield entered administration in Feb. 2011, HMRC were owed £300,000 the move was to avoid a winding up petition over their unpaid tax. At the time the automatic penalty for this type of discretion was set at 6 points. As with the Crusaders Wakefields dealings with administration saw that they only received a 4 point and not the 6 point deduction. In November 2013 London Broncos announced that it would have to enter administration if an new owner was not found in the next 10 days. In December 2013, London Broncos announced, a further notice of intention to appoint administrators but owner David Hughes later decided to carry on pumping money into the club. This all came about because Hughes was unhappy at having the gaurenteed SL status via licensing removed. They did not enter administration. SL clubs do not have to be members of the RFL, this means that the RFL removing membership from an SL club does not stop them being allowed to compete in SL. There is a cavaet that members of SL must agree to abide by the RFL operational rules, be they members of the RFL or not. So for those trying to compare club with club and punishment with punishment, I put it that Bradford have probably been treated the harshest. They have been thrown out of the RFL, they will be deducted 12 points, 3 times previous punishments and the owners of the new club are going to be taking the punishment though they had nothing at all to do with the previous failings. Yep that's being let off lightly.
  7. 2 points
    Re No 2, I'm struggling with 10 worse......
  8. 2 points
    London Broncos remained in the same division Mr know-it-all. Be careful what you wish for,NO club is immune 'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool then to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.
  9. 2 points
    No, it has our code as having more people trying it than if we turn our nose up at rugby union clubs playing over their off-season. Given time, they may decide they actually prefer league, but that isn't going to happen if they don't try it in the first place.
  10. 2 points
    North Wales Crusaders had a 'difficult' year financially last year and has ongoing financial management to deal with in 2017. We have geared up for a tough year in League 1 but are in the process of becoming our own stakeholders by setting up a Supporters Trust. 2017 would be far too early for us for promotion to the Championship.
  11. 2 points
    that's just not true. This article from April 8th details the proposal: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/the-revolution-starts-here-1614896.html 14 club SL starting in March 1996 Proposed line-up of: Wigan St Helens Leeds Calder (merged Cas, Wakefield and Fev) London Cumbria (4 merged clubs) Toulouse Paris Manchester (Salford and Oldham) Cheshire (Warrington and Widnes) Humberside (Hull FC and KR) South Yorkshire (Sheffield and Doncaster) Halifax (maybe merge with Hudds or Bradford) Bradford So mergers very much were part of the plan. As part of the original plan, Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Bradford, Halifax, London and Paris made the start line in their proposed form. You could probably suggest that 3 of those clubs are at least as strong 20 years later (Wigan, Saints and Leeds), we all know about Bradford's plight, but Halifax and Paris were flops and London are not where we want them to be. Out of the proposed new clubs: Calder, 2 of the clubs are now in SL, with average crowds in poor grounds - probably not what we would class as 'Super' clubs, although Cas are performing well in relation to some competitors. Manchester - Oldham were in there and flunked. Cheshire - Warrington are now much stronger than they were in 1995, so should be classed as a success - whether they are stronger than a merged team - I'd suggest yes. Humberside - Hull FC are strong and between them and KR they have been delivering 17-18k fans regularly. Would they have become a real force together - who knows? South Yorkshire - Sheffield were in and it's never taken off. Doncaster struggle. So my view is that the original plan wasn't that good tbh - it as too much of a mish-mash rather than a proper clear strategy. The unknown is around the likes of creating a Manchester club, or a Cumbria SL team - but ultimately this was still a league that would face the criticism of being an M62 comp in the main (10 of the 14 clubs being in that region). We have tried placing new clubs in South and North Wales, Gateshead and Paris - and they just didn't work - I have seen literally nothing to suggest mergers work. I also think it is wrong to suggest that it was a wasted opportunity. The initial proposal wasn't that radical.
  12. 2 points
    If your engaged in criminal activity (which it appears he almost certainly was) and are prepared to carry an illegal, loaded firearm in public then you should firmly expect to find yourself on the wrong end of a police marksman's gun and have your life taken. Yes the police have made mistakes in the past and shot unarmed people, and quite rightly those officers and forces had action taken against them. But when they shoot dead an armed drug dealer then all I can say is good on em, you've done the public a favour. The #### bag wont be missed by anyone except maybe his family.
  13. 2 points
    I agree with your last sentence; other than that.... I'm not sure you'd find many people who would agree that regional franchises have "saved" RU in Wales and Scotland. Scotland's ended up with 2 clubs, neither of which are in its RU heartlands. They get decent gates, but from memory overall spectators and participation in RU up there are through the floor. Scotland were the last to go professional/honest - and then it was mainly driven by an aspiration not to lose all their players to clubs paying more in England. As it is, with only 2 clubs, they could arguably not have bothered and just called players back from "abroad" for internationals - it's basically what they do with many of them now anyway. Regionalisation in Wales has been a disaster. Scarlets has worked because, alone among the franchises, it basically is Llanelli anyway. Ospreys still struggle with gates because of the number of people in Neath and Swansea who won't follow them (and the youth may well not remember the time before the Ospreys but they've been hoovered up by the meteoric rise of Swansea City anyway. Dragons are from the playing heartlands, and have small gates because everyone is either still playing, or spectating in penny packets across the large number of Principality Premiership clubs. Wales in particular is used by English RU fans as a reason *not* to go down that route. Ireland did work, after a fashion, but some of that was down to the fact that they were doing expansion anyway, so grafting in an "all in Ireland must be near top flight RU approach." If the RFL was going to (quietly) take lessons from RU, then look at Ireland and for god's sake don't pray Wales/Scotland in aid. Incidentally, before we all beat ourselves up too much, it might be instructive to note that there is a groundswell of opinion in RU looking over the fence and quite liking the 8s as a concept, and way to hold something out to championship clubs who can't aspire to actually get promoted to the Aviva. The grass appears to be greener on both sides of the fence depending on which side you're looking from.
  14. 1 point
    Is anyone on here actually looking forward to this season? All I see is doom and gloom. Bradford is overshadowing any chinks of positivity. Instead of wallowing in self-pity why don't we make an effort to big up our game? I'm bored of all the hand-wringing. Can't wait for the season. Swinton have the first friendly against Oldham Sunday and it can't come soon enough. Really like the look of our team and the league is right open below Hull KR and London. Plus Toronto coming in is exciting for everyone (except the flat cap brigade who are desperate to see them fail). Bring on the season!
  15. 1 point
    All the insolvent companies were liquidated. That is invariably the end result of administration. In each case, a Newco was formed to buy the going concern off the administrator, and the shell that was left passed to a liquidator for winding up.This always happens. Bulls were exactly the same, and will be again if someone takes over. There is absolutely nothing different about the insolvency process this time with Bradford. Even if the punishments meted out to Bradford by the RFL have each time been far more severe than any other clubs suffered. crusaders first insolvency, they were readmitted to SL. Same division. The second time was very different, because there was no purchase of the going concern by a Newco. It was a totally new start, after a gap. Totally different situation to all the other insolvencies, and more akin to what happened to Bradford in 1963, a new club being formed 1964.
  16. 1 point
    skolars played in kazan in 1997 a great trip
  17. 1 point
    Must be old news. Sam is going nowhere.
  18. 1 point
    We are still working on getting a game on 15/1 at home against former Bradford players. Players & coaches want to play but we are waiting for Rfl approval. More news Monday but not reliant on a new Club being formed next week which i think is wishful thinking. If it doesnt happen it certainly will not be for lack of trying.
  19. 1 point
    Yes, I would take it all day long... it's what sport is about. It may not be the most sensible thing to do, but I am a supporter. I want to watch my club as high as it can go...
  20. 1 point
    Your version reads so much better than the original. Well edited Maureen.
  21. 1 point
    That was 24 years ago in the last century. I think also you are treading on dangerous ground with this " The RFL is an East of Pennines Cartel and should be shut down because of the corruption that goes on. "
  22. 1 point
    Agreed - looking forward to the new CC1 season at Queensway, plus the rest - the big question is can we win the WC? I'm currently reduced to watching re-runs of last season's NRL games on Premier Sports!
  23. 1 point
    Regardless of being in a position to accept it, the wider issue falls under "well, it would be nice to have been asked".
  24. 1 point
    Nice one Gaz.An oldhamer as well, especially one from moorside.Get in!!!.
  25. 1 point
    Infrastructure spending for ports access has already been increased in recent years. Heysham has just had the new link road built to link it directly with the M6 and bypass Lancaster, funding for the new lorry park to get rid of 'operation stack' has been approved to ease Dover, and the next phase of upgrading the road network into Liverpool docks has received funding with designs due to start shortly.
  26. 1 point
    Good shout this, be a good leader will Gaz. Performed consistently for us and an Oldham lad to boot. Good stuff.
  27. 1 point
    Pettit's job is to attract bids and get the best deal for creditors. Having received them he can only put them to the major creditor for consideration. Technically the administrator can accept a bid without consulting Green but then Green could throw it out at the mandatory creditors meeting within 14 days by rejecting the proposals and it'd be back to square one, so the administrator will be consulting Green now given the timescale involved to the start of the season. Make no mistake, given the situation, the power rests with Green where the oldco is concerned.
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  29. 1 point
    Cheers mate. I think we have plenty of that stuff in the wind over this way too! To be honest, I suspect the council would not take much convincing. The sticking point, to me, has always been that great big hole in the ground with a serially-defaulting rugby club sat in it. Find a way of getting Bulls (and now RFL) out of Odsal, without further damaging either, and the ducks suddenly start looking better lined-up?
  30. 1 point
    Phone wallpaper of new strips
  31. 1 point
    I have done as you asked and realise that I have taken you out of context, reading previous posts on here suggesting that the police may have stepped outside of their lawful remit then seeing you mention capital punishment lead me to decide to look up actual facts rather than opinions, for misrepresenting your post I apologise unreservedly. I have seen the documentary on Mark Duggan and I am aware of problems that arise, of course that police, like anyone else, make mistakes, but I think the figure I quote shows how often they get it right in extremely difficult circumstances. I also hope it never becomes like the USA As an aside, after seeing the BBC documentary on Sellafield, much of which I know to have given a totally inaccurate picture, I am much less likely to believe 'facts' presented by BBC documentaries, which is a real shame but I guess that is for another thread.
  32. 1 point
    No disrespect but until Kevin or the club says so anybody can say owt they want.
  33. 1 point
    I reckoned the captain would come from one of the players who spend most time on the field of play. So I was thinking about the half-backs and maybe one of the forwards who put in long shifts. I'd dismissed the hookers due to the in-game rotation but since Scott is happy for his captain to spend time off the field during the game, Gaz is an ideal choice. An Oldhamer leading out an Oldham side. That'll do for me
  34. 1 point
    Don't worry, Toppy's fallacious arguments (as well as a platoon of straw men in support) have already been comprehensively flattened on this thread.
  35. 1 point
    Yes, indeed. One thing I could never understand was why the administrator turned down a bid, for what was presumably the going concern, to instead opt for liquidation. I cannot recall a situation where a going concern sale ever realised less than liquidation. But I guess we do not know any of the terms of the RFL-accepted offer, so it is very hard indeed to form a view. If the rejected offer included, for example, playing at Odsal, and /or paying 100% of the £50k rugby creditors (we must assume it offered to honour season tickets) and guarantees on other things like personal guarantees, bonds, commitment to academy, working with the RFL to sort the Odsal problem once and for all - who knows? - then it might just be this was a much better deal fpr the RFL and the game, but the no better than liquidation for the creditors? Creditors in this context meaning Green, since it seems probable he could control a creditors' meeting quite apart from being first in line anyway. But we must now wonder whether the administrator was aware of (one hesitates to suggest complicit in) this apparent new bid, at the time? And hence knew he was on safe ground - and safe from legal challenge - within his remit, in rejecting the other bid? Bearing in mind the administrator does not necessarily have to LIKE the propspective purchaser or agree with his/their objectives and intentions. He has a job to do, as laid down in the legislation. And has to apply a process that, whilst IMO is totally unsuitable for rescuing an ailing sports club, is currently the only process there is. Seeing that company registered yesterday, my first thought was that the administrator must have agreed to it, because of the use of the name. And that, therefore, he was clearly working with someone. Some other pointers towards that, as well. What happens next must presumably depend on the extent (if at all) the RFL have been involved in any of this process? And, if they were not involved, whether whatever terms the new bidder wil propose are ones the RFL can live with? Maybe the lack of an announcement that the administrator has accepted a bid reflects giving the RFL opportunity to state its position? And, should it reject the bid, then wait for the huge outpouring of "RFL condemns Bulls by rejecting lovely new offer" headlines? If the RFL effectively threw the administrator a hospital pass before Christmas, in that case he will have thrown an even bigger one back? nd of course, in any stadium negotiations, any threat to play in Coventry not Bradford would doubtless concentrate minds...? And we may never know for sure, whatever any final announcements say! I had been hoping, in all of this, that any deal would get the Bulls out of Odsal, the RFL off the Odsal/conflict of interest hook, and allow a process to begin that would lead to a new stadium for the Bulls and a solution for the Council to a raft of issues. The win-win-win I keep harping on about. I had hoped a bid agreed by the RFL might just involve this. If this seeming new bid does not, then unless some other deal is cut for getting out of Odsal (I really doubt a stadium development would ever happen on the site) I struggle to see the long-term. I will leave it to others to speculate about the role of Green in all this, and what the reaction of fans, and the game, and Sports England, would be if he was to re-appear? EDIT: what I forgot to add: another possibility is that the administrator was playing an even more clever game? That it was a genuine bluff, rejecting that bid, to try and either force the bidder to improve the offer, or to flush out one of the other interested parties to come back with a new offer? It remians a possibility that the "new" bidder is the same as the one rejected? Or that it was part of a wider scheme to effect the leaving of high-earning (unaffordable?) players without anyone having to assume any liabilities for that? (I have seen someone suggest that somewhere, and the more I think about it the more I see his point...) Whatever the truth, and whatever the outcome, someone has been very clever in engineering all this.
  36. 1 point
    As a Barrow fan no its too late
  37. 1 point
    Great news that KISS will be working with the new owners of the club and also raising funds for squad builder.
  38. 1 point
    Their websites were very rugby union how? I don't think teams starting as rugby union clubs keeping fit in the off-season is a massive issue, as long as they have the opportunity to progress from that if they wish.
  39. 1 point
    Nope. Nobody said disaster apart from the squawkers yelling PROJECT FEAR over everything. But, knock yourself out with it if it helps you. What people said, and is still true, is lower investment, weaker pound, less growth, greater uncertainty, bigger risk ... which given that we now have a looming credit bubble, growing inflation, higher deficit and a need to raise interest rates ... means that even without A50 being trigged plan-less inside three months that 2017 is looking like being quite rocky for the UK.
  40. 1 point
    All the signs point to Marc Green trying to back the RFL into a corner here by various underhand tactics. They should stand firm and say congratulations on buying a logo and a website from the administrator but you haven't bought a RL club.
  41. 1 point
    I think he will do fine, and if he does end up playing in the pack he'll still be an excellent cover guy for Ulugia/Misi and it will be a more natural switch than those involving Hardman/Tagg/Snitch/Cording that we've seen over the last couple of years.
  42. 1 point
    I've also signed in (obviously) but going back to the forum page boots me out.
  43. 1 point
    A very Happy New Year to you all I shall be at my usual place on Sunday, steps to the cottage end terracing, for the sole purpose of collecting jars. should there about 30 mins before kick off. Regards Ricardo
  44. 1 point
    Hi. Lots going on behind the scenes. 2/3 amateur lads and 3/4 pros hopefully over the line shortly. The world of signings has had a good shuffle in the last week or two due to the Bradford situation.
  45. 1 point
    ... And we haven't left the EU yet.
  46. 1 point
    That there it is a significant deal when the police shoot someone is right and important (certainly in contrast to the USA). However, it should not be seen as a requirement to eulogise that person. The implication is that if he was a significant drugs dealer, then the shooting would be OK.
  47. 1 point
    Both sides seem to have strong opinions on two men they had not previously heard of.
  48. 1 point
    But it did save the game overall in those countries. And they now have fans who have only ever known the Ospreys or Scarlets, rather than Neath, Swansea or Llanelli. Even taking into account Union bias and all that, these clubs show how the smaller nations with smaller resources took on the issue of long term club and national competitiveness with England and France and sacrificed for a wider gain. It wasn't perfect at the start but after those problems were dealt with a strong competition emerged and Wales Ireland and Scotland remain (largely) competitive internationally, as per the original plan. It is sad that the now second tier clubs have declined, but the rise in the other clubs is astronomical. The problem with SL was that ostensibly international performance was not at the heart of it; it was all about clubs.
  49. 1 point
    It is likely that the actions of the man now dead precluded a trial.... that sometimes happens when violent men carry firearms. We will know more when the facts are reported....
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