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  1. 10 points
    Has anyone seen Wire's tweet to us, and our reply? Class reply Widnes! https://twitter.com/wolvesrl
  2. 8 points
    They will be giving more opportunities to be full time professional RL players not part timers or NCL? For our national team that's fantastic - its no surprise that the countries that are strongest in any sport are those with the largest number of full time professionals driving up competition and standards. That point equally wasn't about expansion, it was about the RFL introducing quota restrictions on English players. The comp expanding its footprint is expansion. Crowds turning up in places outside the M62 is expansion. Interest growing outside of the traditional boundaries of the sport is expansion. There were several posts on the new Wakefield sponsor thread suggesting that whilst our game is relatively cheap to advertise in, its lack of geographic spread is a major detrimental factor. for companies not choosing to do so. Your definition of expansion seems to be player production, which whilst vitally important is simultaneously the longest and hardest to achieve. Judging the first ever team of its kind after 2 and a half years seems a bit premature don't you think?
  3. 6 points
    It’s taken London almost 40 years to field a side with barely a handful of elite homegrown players. Seven years for Canada to be tier one seems wildly optimistic.
  4. 5 points
    Well this is fantastic news to secure 'the big bopper' for three years. However it also shows we have people running the club who are a credit to the game. Here's hoping the club is returning to being a true force in the game once more ,because I have been waiting well over 50 years for it to happen.
  5. 5 points
    Great news for Wakefield. Let's face it, he would strengthen any team and in the past players like that would have been tempted by a bigger club. This is another sign that Wakefield are heading towards being a serious club.
  6. 5 points
    Parky, It appears you are doubting Mr Perez while hanging on to the words of those 'elite' club owners in England. Mr Perez did not own Toronto Wolfpack,and the responsibility for developing the North American athletes from other sports to rugby league seemed to fall under the responsibilities of Brian Noble.I don't think Brian Noble endeared himself to another rich individual,Dr Koukash,in his previous job at Salford. Do you dismiss Mr Perez but believe the owner of the 'elite' club,Mr Pearson,who is going to have our sport match,and surpass,the other code? https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/07/super-league-clubs-transformed-adam-pearson-hull There also appears to have been both disinformation and misinformation emanate from another 'elite' club over salary cap breaches and the position of head coach at that club. Meanwhile,Mr Perez has been going above and beyond getting the sport publicity in virgin territory,being the most positive of rugby league supporters,even after giving the sport more money,and time,than many,and it seems many players from the M62 heartlands,and the NRL,don't seem to be complaining. Better to try,and fail,than never to try at all.
  7. 5 points
    Do you have any evidence Parky? That's quite a damning statement! My assessment is slightly different I feel they're prone to staying at home to cover matches and stories and relying on old data to inform their writing. They also tend to be fans writing about their sport and that makes their judgement questionable at best. Are you saying that such opportunities are now unavailable in the US or just unavailable for RL? So you're maintaining that despite all the evidence that long term targets, commitments and a lot of hard work are the key issues in global marketing and recognition that no jam today means it's failed? I would like to point out that at no time and at no point in the history of our sport has expansion had those three elements in place and has left everything to die on the vine after about five minutes. Which seems to coincidentally be the time span of your limits now, funny that! On what sort of evidence are you basing this idea? Which championship chairman have intimated in any way that they voted this way so SL can derail it all?
  8. 5 points
    England & GB is the same team...by bringing back GB it's created a utterly nonsensical situation of confusion that damages the England brand and a decade worth of development in the home nations... But..ya know...it's not like I've been saying this for 10years...
  9. 5 points
    One of my biggest passions is architecture. My greatest passion is history and the two go hand in hand and it is perhaps that reason I am most heartbroken today. The destruction of a truly iconic and historical building like this is like the death of the history that goes with it. Great buildings are the embodiment of history, of all the millions of people that have been a part of them. I feel their memory lives on within these places. When I walk round a great place in history I am able to imagine the people that were there, what happened there and feel so close to it, almost a part of that history. I went to the nazi rally grounds in nuremberg a couple of years ago. There is a huge concrete podium and banking around a massive square. This is where Hitler addressed thousands of his troops with those powerful speeches he gave. I sat looking at that podium and saw Hitler standing there shouting to his troops, waving his arm around as he did. It took courage for me to walk over to the podium and stand on it and place my hands on the railing. I was stood in the exact spot, the exact spot, where Adolf Hitler had once stood. My feet were touching the exact bit of concrete his had done, my hands the exact railing his had done. I saw those troops out there in front of me. At that moment I was so overcome with emotion and I am man enough to admit I cried. If that building wasn't there anymore I wouldn't have had that experience. I would have shrugged my shoulders and walked past without a second thought. That is just one example of many many similar experiences I have had at these places. My favourite city is berlin. I have walked through the brandenburg gate and down unten den linden like all those great world leaders. I have stood in alexanderplatz and marvelled at that great soviet TV tower. I have touched the last remaining segments of the berlin wall and felt the pain of those imprisoned behind it and visited hohenshonhausen prison where the stasi tortured so many people and in fact met former inmates, listened to their stories and felt a part of that history. I went to devin Castle in Slovakia and stood on the battlements watching napoleon's armies blasting it to pieces. I've been to cologne cathedral and watched the city burn around it as the allies relentlessly bombed it. And you know what other piece of history I've lived? I've been there when napoleon I was crowned at notre dame cathedral. History that people like me might not be able to experience, might not be able to be a part of in quite the same way now as the physical embodiment of that truly mind-blowing piece of human history disappears, "like tears in the rain"...
  10. 4 points
    I get what youre saying but bit harsh on the PIs, for me they are every bit as important and you can't underestimate the amount of people that love to watch and cheer them on. At the end of the day the last world cup would have been a disataster without the heroics of Tonga and Fiji I got into rugby league by watching them play test rugby, not by watching Ireland.
  11. 4 points
    TOXIII Broncos 30- 32 Avignon St Gaudens 24-42 Palau Albi 54-24 Villeneuve/Lot Lezignan 18-14 Limoux Carcassonne XIII 30-22 St Esteve Played this last weekend in Carcassonne. Worth 4 competition points instead of 3. Format was 1 v 2, 3 v 4 et al. Carcassonne xiii were doubtful starters this year and now stand top of the pile. They're playing really well at the moment inspired by their three overseas lads the Papou Lo, Australian Anderson and Kiwi Tumusa.
  12. 4 points
    There’s a lot to like about Trinity right now. Michael Carter deserves all the credit in the world for the good work, some might say God’s work, he’s doing at Wakey.
  13. 4 points
    The best is the better players in the highest standard available. That can be playing for Wigan, London, halifax, or places like Toronto. Toronto are a very good championship team, in 5 years they could be a very good sl team. I believe most supporters will see Toronto like they see London. Another team playing in the league.
  14. 4 points
    Domestic Canadian rugby league will not develop any players of international class until there are enough pro clubs there to fund a sustainable academy style league for 16-20 year olds to play in. That means academy style contracts for 200 or so players, full time coaches and facilities. That is an investment way beyond anything that one or two clubs can fund. If we could get to that point, then the best graduates of those programs can then stay at a NA pro club or cross the Atlantic. But to be an elite RL player you need to be in an elite RL environment from 16 at the latest - possible in the UK, even for players from London/Newcastle etc, but not in North America. Entry level community leagues won't be enough unless the next step on the ladder is there. (And the American football conversion story is a dream and always will be for producing elite RL players.) Now, in my view none of the above is any reason for not allowing the teams in - we need money more than anything else and more money will attract more players into the game. And potentially these teams can generate revenues that British RL can't. So it's worth the risk to me. But we shouldn't kid ourselves about what is possible on the player development front.
  15. 4 points
    Its no loss, never liked Edwards as an individual - arrogant and aloof and has never shown any grattitude towards the game that made him - ditto Farrell.
  16. 4 points
    I visited Harlech castle last week. I spent a while learning about its history in the interactive visitor centre, then stood looking out from the castle walls envisaging what it must have been like in the times of Edward I, Owain Glyndwr, the Wars of the Roses, The Civil War etc. You can really feel 800 years of history under your feet. You just can't get that feeling from a text book or a website.
  17. 4 points
    He hit him in the head , that is all that matters
  18. 4 points
    Am I the only one who isn't particularly interested in Warrington v Wigan? They are already playing each other 3 times this year in the league, and on current form it will be one sided. Bradford v Leeds is a much more interesting tie imo.
  19. 4 points
    I'm going for the same reason I went to Sydney last year and three years ago with Wigan, big events...............you can remember these occasions for the rest of your life............
  20. 3 points
  21. 3 points
    And he's ours for 3 more years. https://mobile.twitter.com/hullfcofficial/status/1118197394615808000
  22. 3 points
    Williams a Dragon, would that be enough to qualify him to play for Wales at the 2021 World Cup?
  23. 3 points
    Whats all this obsession with having Canadian players in Toronto's side, nobody questions Melbourne about the amount of local players in their side.
  24. 3 points
  25. 3 points
    1 city 2 teams, only reason Saints Wigan is seen as the biggest is because they have both always been challenging for top honours. In reality does it matter
  26. 3 points
    It takes 10 years to develop an elite athlete. You'll see very few coming through for at least a decade, and they won't be the top of the elite. They'll be lucky to be on the level of Scotland and Ireland without the expats in such a short time. France, with more players in SL, could have a good chance.
  27. 3 points
    Not a chance could they be number 1 in 7 years. Best case scenario is as good as Wales or France and even that is a huge stretch.
  28. 3 points
    A number of clubs (including Swinton and York) have also posted on their websites to say why they voted yes - mostly along the lines of what a good opportunity this is and it would be unwise to turn it down. The York chairman is on record as saying that "It's more of a risk to say no than to say yes."
  29. 3 points
  30. 3 points
    It certainly is one of those big events and for me the stage is probably the biggest of them all. Never did I think I would see Rugby League at the Nou Camp.
  31. 3 points
    Good grief, what a buffoon! Stick to paddling on the park lake and stop trying to wind up the Raiders fans, by the way which player or coach has become Canadian?
  32. 3 points
    After Bob8. Ahem, my dissertation was on medieval Paris, perhaps I can help. The fire last night is very, very sad. The devastation of such an iconic, beautiful and historic building is very emotive and it must have been very hard to see for local people and the people (firefighters, but not only firefighters) who were working to save the building and its priceless contents. And yet, we do need to be careful about hyperbole. A thousand years of history was not lost last night. The part of the building that I think of when I think of Notre-Dame, the stunning facade, appears to have survived. More importantly still, the entire history of buildings like that is that they are rased, burned down, bombed out, eroded by time. Many of the great buildings we love in Western Europe have burned, been saved, been improved. If it didn't happen now, it would happen in fifty years' time, or in a hundred. Whether Notre-Dame is lost will depend on the reaction of the people who love it (a vast number, some of them very wealthy) and the City of Paris. The reaction we have seen overnight suggests that significant resources will be put towards the rebuild: perhaps it will end up stronger than would have been the case under the renovation that was already ongoing. So yes it is very sad. But the fire and reaction (even Trump's) is a helpful reminder of our common humanity and Notre-Dame will live on.
  33. 2 points
    A few things to clarify here. We may have had 14 teams, but barely 10 of them were spending to cap at that point, not because of availability of players, but because those teams simply couldn't afford to compete. Its not 'going pro' like Sheffield Eagles did a few seasons ago on a shoestring that made them have to let go most of their best players. The NRL cap may have been lower than now but undoubtedly the SL cap has been very low for years (even over a decade?). So on both accounts its not a fair comparison. Moreover, players progress at different rates, you need lower league clubs to be able to offer full time contracts for those who aren't at the top of the youth tree at the 19 cut off point. Troy Deeney just scored to take his team to the FA cup final after playing non-league a few years ago, Kemar Roofe at Leeds united could be playing Premier League next season after playing for Oxford in League 2 4 years ago, in RL an example would be Alex Walmsley, the ultimate in this era has to be Jamie Vardy. The point being that professionalising the game throughout (ie not just SL) increases the competition and opportunities. On sponsorship, in the UK all clubs at the moment suffer from the games low profile. Realistically why on earth should a team in Canada be getting nearly 4x the attendances of a club in the capital of England? Toronto already have a higher profile in their city after 2 years than London do after 30 - as for the 90s, the whole sport had a higher profile. Therefore, none of the above facets of expansion are the only solution by themselves clearly, they need to be combined and harnessed. I'm amazed at what Toronto are achieving. I don't agree that I'm ignorant at all. I've grown up supporting Leeds yet lived and played rugby in Wakefield and Castleford for a decent chunk of my life. I'm well aware of the concerns and fears of whether clubs will be worried about being hung out to dry. Yet I still think this is the best way forward. Continuing with the same old isn't working, impetus has to be given to the game. Due to our own mismanagement of our national profile the chances of this coming from the UK are slim - our game isn't sexy right now, and perhaps the TWP and NYCs of this world are what will change that. Finally, NYC and Ottawa have both specifically stated they want to do development differently to Toronto. Ottawa have said they're prepared to stay in the lower divisions longer than Toronto if necessary. NYC have suggested trials down the east coast and a reserve grade side too.
  34. 2 points
    Yep, so whether they just sell the space to breweries or not they are making a good amount on it. It´s odd in the UK, why almost every football and rugby ground will not offer you decent beer or food. Since I´ve been out of the UK I´ve not been able to see for myself, but I was wondering if any teams in UK had tried to take parts of Toronto´s success on match day experience. I wonder if anyone approached Eric Perez in the last year or 2, even for advice if not a formal role.
  35. 2 points
    It´s interesting you dismiss Lenegan´s comment as PR, but don´t consider that Pearson may not be giving his honest view to the media. It would be prudent for him and Super League in general to be cautious in their statements initially, as they try to negotiate the best possible deal with these new teams to allow them to enter SL in the future. Also, you keep describing TWP as making huge losses, but this likely isn´t true. We know they gave out a lot of free tickets in the first year, but these have decreased significantly since then. They pay minimal costs on the stadium, so much better off than most clubs there. Further, they have some of the best commercial deals in the sport, merchandise appears to be selling very well and must make a lot on the beer sales at the stadium (not sure if the latter is sold by them, or it´s franchised out but either way it´s a good income stream).
  36. 2 points
    Surely the most important measure of expansion would be more nations able to compete with the big 3 in test matches? And I'm not talking about tiny islands, but important and viable national markets.....France? Canada? South Africa? Even the US?........
  37. 2 points
    If French tycoons are willing to give hundreds of millions of euros, strings-free, are you saying Macron should turn them down and charge the taxpayer? You seem very angry about all this.
  38. 2 points
    Sl teams now dont have 100% English and they have been playing for over 100 years in most cases Catalans have a good percentage but not enough and there needs to be.a second elite french team - the french leagues dont cut it at all As for NA - a squad of 24 with 4-5 North American’s in it within 10 years so say 12-15 players across three teams out of potential 72 players —- if Ottawa. Are truly about growing. The Canadian game and are happy to run the same timeline Perez has touted then why not? - they wont be out of the championship inside the next 5 years on his timeline - he has inferred they have had talks with various players and i believe that includes local union teams in that area as well as sevens players. Again why not? If a decent Canadian or USA RU player became available at the right price then I cant see TWP or NYC or Ottawa turning their back on that - player wages arent that good over there from what i have read - especially the recent spats with the sevens teams. so anything between 10% and 20% of squads being North American born in the next 5-10 years would be a winner - watching Catalans play i wonder sometimes how they can field a team with so many non french in it but there you go - if you dont expose your best french players to elite rugby they wont grow and develop - but thats not really the clubs rationale is it? They are there to represent Catalonia via Perpignan and they do that very well. Same goes for Ottawa TWP NYC TOXIII - or London for that matter or Wigan or Leeds. I am not sure demanding teams field at least 50% home grown players is the way to go. I think making sure teams lay down meaningful community links and stimulate the growth of the game at a level below is more achievable and a better measure of what they are doing - a strong amateur presence and a community that supports the elite level TWP are a different model for many reasons and in reality they are a bit isolated from any amateur scene in Canada - but Toronto is the second biggest city in North America -so as a strategic target its bullseye and a success to date - its how that model extends and grows that is important With the new bids its about that sustainable approach as there is an amateur presence in NYC and a league albeit amateur - Ottawa have already put up a model that fixes the many whinges on here My concern is not any of them but TOXIII - they have swum against the tide for a very long time, the refusal to allow the long promised development of their ground was mystifying and very suspicious as they are now dependant on the good will of the french ru teams around them - I appreciate french ru is running out of steam a bit but a wounded snake is something to watch out for. We dont want to lose them now.
  39. 2 points
    PLEASE READ AND FORWARD This something that can’t be ignored for the future of our town and west Cumbria. There’s a chance that we could lose the new stadium and community facilities because of the council elections coming up. The Tories and independent councillors are banding together to stop it happening. They already think they’ve won the election and have been spouting off about it everywhere they can. But it’s they’re just playing politics Sport is a massive part of west Cumbria and it helps put us on the map. If we lose the stadium, Reds will have nowhere to play cos they can’t get a safety certificate, and we’ll lose the Rugby League World Cup games the town put so much effort into to win. Imagine that, missing out on having some of the best in the world playing sport on your doorstep. It’ll be a venue for weddings, events, gigs, concerts and gives us the chance of improving the town and even more investment. It’ll be paid for by the lease of office space by big companies that we seen in the paper. If we lose it they’re taking part of our future, and our kids future away. Think how inspiring it’d be to have that as a place to play local cup finals in, for kids tournaments - we have some of the best rugby players in the country so let’s give them a platform to play For me nowt else matters in the council elections in May, I’m voting Labour to get the stadium built. If we want to see something actually different in the town we can’t let some miserable folk who’d see the town in ruins stop us building a future. I hope you’ll help get the stadium sorted - VOTE LABOUR in May This is doing the rounds on social media!! Please share everyone!
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  42. 2 points
    Never a truer word said. Some seem perfectly happy with the game not trying at all and at best stagnating as a small game in its existing small pockets.
  43. 2 points
    The expansion into North America will massively help the sport long term even if it means a bit of short term pain for whilst they are in the Championships. If we have 3 bank rolled well supported clubs from North America in Super League the sponsorship and TV deal conversations will be in a completely different league to what they are now.
  44. 2 points
    He is Omnipresent so it was the equivalent of scoring an own goal from a penalty.
  45. 2 points
    As someone who reads League Express and RLW etc I don't think its a stretch to say these aren't reaching huge numbers of people, though still a decent chunk of supporters. Clubs have the benefit of social media now. They can speak directly to the fans. If I was involved in the backroom at say Batley or Halifax or Newcastle, I'd be wanting a press release out asap after the vote so that we could set our stall out to our fans. The fact that of the 4 dissenting clubs only Hunslet actually spoke to 1 of the papers is a pretty damning indictment of the cloak and daggers running this. As for the rest, I listened to the 5 Live podcast in which Ricky Wilby, New York's frontman, appeared. A key thing I took away from that is that both NYC and Ottawa have learned from Toronto yet also want to do things differently by learning from their mistakes.
  46. 2 points
    Good team,good people,well organised.However the venue at Halifax Road is not fit for purpose especially at the bottom end where there is potential for a kick at goal to end up on the 268 bus to Heckmondwike
  47. 2 points
    Excellent . Places and buildings resonate and embody history . They form a huge part of informing us of history . It’s the nearest we get . Some places can’t escape it , you’re taken back through being there . Not just a building or an environment , they tell a story and losing them destroys what they’ve embodied and you lose part of your history . Rebuilding is brilliant , but it’s never the same
  48. 2 points
    Either that or a penny counter from Yorkshire!
  49. 2 points
    Not if it's had all its teeth knocked out
  50. 2 points
    Bradford vs Leeds... cracking tie. Awesome for Doncaster away at Catalan.

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