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  1. I don't want to sound negative nor do I claim to have a full understanding on all things about SL, living as I do in the antipodes. Do despite that caveat, here goes: There is only one factor that drives any decision in SL and that's money. Some say there are only 12 clubs due to player depth but its really because SL are dividing the central funding up between less teams. They accepted TWP on the understanding they took no central funding and Leigh's being agreeable to taking less than half the funding helped their bid no end. More money to the incumbent clubs. To maximise the Sky payout, so many games have to be played. With so few teams, the same teams play each other repeatedly. This reduces the specialness of key clashes such as Saints and Wigan, not to mention the repetitiveness of the comp in general. In the short term, it means more money per club, the longer term it devalues the comp through too much repetition. The game is tough on the body but with international fixtures needed, when can the be played and not overtax the best players? Short turn arounds between seasons aren't good but the pro game can't do without a long club season to make more money. The international scene suffers. They also waste precious resources at time on people such as R. Elstone who - regardless of what he achieved or not - was to me a luxury the sport couldn't afford. I don't even know why his post was deemed necessary when the SL clubs were going to do whatever was in their best interests anyway, regardless of what he thought. I'm not saying clubs don't have a reason to chase whatever money they can. However, short term gain is ultimately going to hurt the game as a product in the longer term. It's a shame that sport with a good product has got itself into such a dire situation. For how much longer will SL be able to afford 12 clubs? Ever decreasing circles.
    9 points
  2. You seems to know more than me who live in toulouse about toulouse olympique.
    7 points
  3. Yes, I enjoyed that. Surprising win though, considering Oldham's set of forwards....
    6 points
  4. Ironically some teams have used it to improve their grounds and facilities while also investing in reserve teams. Taking Batley as an example they have a fine little ground and are very well run, give them an extra couple of million pound and they would likely be in better shape than Wakefield. Sad isn't it that a Championship team getting millions of pounds less of funding is in better shape than one of our elite clubs.
    6 points
  5. I just want to understand the logic for putting Leigh in SL coz I still don't understand. Toulouse has just signed a 9 year deal with Stade Toulousain that not just allows them to play at the iconic ground but gives them a major presence at the complex. In addition to that they now have backing from the various local authorities which in France is significant. With the partnerships they have in place I'm confident in saying that over the next few years Toulouse will quickly become one of the biggest clubs in Europe. The commercial partnerships that Toulouse have are on a different scale to Leigh's and it gives the RL exposure to the 4th biggest city in France that has a population in the metropolitan area of over 1.3 million, plus many more across the South West region. It would have increased the competition's presence in France and the number of professional players which allows the France national team to become more and more competitive and create a natural rival for England on its doorstep, that has so many commercial benefits in itself to UK RL. We were told over and over that they had an 'oven baked squad' ready to compete. If that's the case why are they now loaning a player from another SL club? On paper, their squad wasn't any better than Toulouse's and they finished below them in the league table in recent seasons. Apparently the bids were assessed by an 'independent panel of experts' yet there has been no explanation into the reasoning behind the decision. To top it all off the majority of people in this country don't even know where Leigh is and thought that the parish of Leigh-on-Sea in Essex had entered a team into SL. It was a terrible decision which says so much about the mindset of people running the sport here. It's several months on and I'm still disgusted
    5 points
  6. The current TV deal provided the perfect opportunity to go to 14 teams. That did give the massive increase in funding that you refer to, to the extent that every team could still have received more money that the previous TV deal even with 14 teams. Instead greed took over and SL clubs decided to pocket an extra £500,000 each. No trying to grow the pie or competition to give more to sell. No real strategy or plan to spend that extra money wisely. Just more of the same.
    5 points
  7. Its why the game is dying a slow death. Pure greed. I laugh when people talk about expanding SL to 14 teams. Firstly that would mean an increase on the TV deal would be needed which will not happen and secondly it would mean the 11 that are in there that do already get the money getting less of it which again is never going to happen. Luckily for the usual suspects Sl decided to throw the Championship a bone this year by including one of them in SL this season albeit on reduced funding. As per the thread, choosing Leigh to be that team was not the worst decision ever, choosing any team and not giving them a fair shot was the worst decision ever and come half way through the season when it is clear that they will be relegated I wouldn't for one second blame Beaumont if he freed up some cash for the rest of the season by releasing players to teams in the Championship and let the remaining team take some blowout scores. that would not be Leigh's fault, that would be the rest of the teams and the RFL's for letting it happen.
    5 points
  8. I don't know about you guys but I love the branding. Two new junior clubs in Coventry and one in Birmingham. This is the start of something really great.
    5 points
  9. Jeez, 1st Watson and now Marshall are apparently 'under pressure' after 3 games in their new jobs, are we trying to turn the sport into football where managers are sacked after 10 games? let's just wait and see what new coaches with new players and new ideas etc do given some time to work rather than doing this to them.
    4 points
  10. Well played Batley thought you were excellent and dominated from kick off to the full time hooter.
    4 points
  11. Hey Langpark I'm in total agreement with everything you said here but I want to challenge those ''others'' who refer to organic (slow) growth as ''boring''. If anyone says that, they are completely discounting the enormous levels of pleasure and satisfaction gained from simply playing the game. When I was young enough to play, looking forward to the weekend's game, occupied 90% of my waking hours. It didn't matter (to me) one iota, at what level I was playing at. I loved it at open age amateur level, semi professional level and at WRL representative level. The standard I played at, at any particular time, had no bearing on the level of my enjoyment. I loved coaching from Little League right up to Senior level. Bug ger me, I even enjoyed refereeing So who says its boring? The armchair critics, who are not really involved in the real game and who have no concept of the sheer uplifting power of Rugby League football, to enhance the lives of our participants are not even qualified to comment on Rugby League. They hold our amateur clubs and players in contempt. How dare they call them boring? They are certainly not true fans of the game, if they don't feel the joy of association that I'm talking about.
    4 points
  12. Really disappointing first half regardless of missing players & injuries. Batley are no better than Swinton but poor discipline & handling & the game is over. Tough 2nd half going uphill need to keep score down
    4 points
  13. I'd say the championship is in pretty good shape, definitely been better value for money than SL when considering the relatively modest amount has gone to them in comparison
    4 points
  14. Yes it would be ideal but where are the players coming from? We have started training now at the Vikings and the majority of the players have no knowledge of RL whatsoever, to the point where they don't know any of the positions or rules or anything. But they are keen to get involved and learn and as long as they enjoy it we will hopefully be able to grow. In time we hope to be able to have junior teams in addition to our open age side. You could cobble together a team to play in League One, but unless it relied heavily on English players we would have a West Wales 2018 scenario. There just isn't the RL background up here to build a team of any real standard. The good rugby union players who potentially could make the transition will already be playing semi pro rugby union. We are just trying to spread the word and lay down some roots. A 6 team competition is a start and hopefully we can grow from there.
    4 points
  15. They need to come back & follow the NRL model,form them in the middle of the pitch,enforce the binding until the ball comes out which has resulted in some great attacking plays.
    4 points
  16. In my view, everything that an SL or Championship club does (or is allowed to do) should be in the interests of their own team, players, fans, sponsors, shareholders and owners. They should be doing this within a set or rules and parameters defined and enforced by the governing body. Those rules and parameters should represent the interests of the whole sport. The governing body should do just that: govern the sport. Ain't going to happen, though.
    4 points
  17. Leigh were put into Super League for 1 reason and 1 reason only, to get relegated. Small time clubs like Wakefield, Hull kr, Salford and Castleford are happy with that as it preserves their Super League status for another year.
    4 points
  18. There is 9 teams in the league this season thanks to the addition of this new club and the reformation of Whitley bay barbarians open age team. I know Yarm wolves haves also started looking in to an open age team so could rise to 10 plus next year all together there is 14 teams operating at various age groups, unfortunately looks like Peterlee pumas might not be running any teams this year which is sad to see
    4 points
  19. All the best for the rest of the season - a well deserved win.
    3 points
  20. If I wasn't being boring I might go over and buy Avignon. Lovely city, can attract decent crowds and produces players already
    3 points
  21. Well done, great to hear! This is real development, organic growth, as "boring" as it might sound to some people. Everyone needs to remember, when it comes to development, we are running a marathon, not a sprint. North-East England is a perfect example. Look at the state of RL there two decades ago (or even one decade ago) and look at them now!
    3 points
  22. I was trying to work out how many clubs there are in North America. 14 in the NARL (I understand I'm jumping the gun here). 7 in California RL. 7 USARL teams not on the NARL. Chicago Stockyarders and Joilet RL. Queen City Royals (yet to play). Utah (Avalanche?) are about to play California. 22 in the Jamaican system. 6 (+1) in Nicaragua. The only one I'm absolutely clueless on is Canada. So there's well over 50 already.
    3 points
  23. I think this is a great sunmary of where things are the moment. The central fund money has been largely wasted on some clubs too with very little in the way of ground improvements and some not running academies or reserves. All is not lost but things will need to change. A 2nd French team plus a successful Broncos would be a start
    3 points
  24. The obsession of having a 'professional' scottish rl club for the sake of it. The game can neither afford it or need it. Far more important to develope some foundations ,in the junior and community game. Really,the game needs to reduce the number of 'semi professional' (paid for by a benefactor,who inevitably is criticised) and strengthen the community/junior game.
    3 points
  25. The SL clubs didnt "throw the Championship clubs a bone", they did it purely for their own reasons not out of charity or the interests of the game. Your Leigh scenario, which I can't see happening on any sort of scale for numerous reasons, would be nothing to do with the RFL. SL could (and in my opinion should) go to 14 clubs. There are plenty of capable and progressive clubs able to step up, but I agree it won't happen as the other clubs simply will not take that cut in central funding. Short term self interest always rules in SL.
    3 points
  26. We were specifically talking about a few for the one off game. Obviously the crowds of Toulouse will need to depend on the city itself. The amount of straw men people throw up on here is tiresome.
    3 points
  27. Interesting game for the unbiased neutral.... COME ON WIDNES!!!!
    3 points
  28. I don’t know why they (or any team) applied, with such a ridiculously uneven playing field.
    3 points
  29. Well done Scotland! Setting up a stable domestic league, then some youth teams should be the plan for this decade. Some people just obsess about SL whenever there is a topic about Scotland or Ireland.
    3 points
  30. How many teams are in the North East League now?
    3 points
  31. When did R&B turn into the zhite they call R&B today.
    3 points
  32. Yep. International RL needs to say once you play an international for one nation, that's it. So players either commit to smaller nations or play high enough to make it to tier 1.
    3 points
  33. There’s no dilemma. It’s Sam Tomkins’ position. Tomkins has been the stand out English fullback in the competition for the past couple of years. Hardaker has played there when French has been injured, he’s done well while he’s played there but isn’t close to taking Tomkins’ jumper.
    2 points
  34. I agree with Jamie Peacock that Sam Tomkins is England's best option at #1 (given availability and form). What I don't agree with is that he and Josh Hodgson are England's best players.
    2 points
  35. I'm always torn when I read posts like this. On the one hand, as a 50 year old, I have to admit that I loved Rugby League in the 1980's. I don't know if it is rose tinted specs or a genuine reflection of the way the game was played but there is something about the modern game that doesn't live up to my memories from 30 odd years ago. Hand on heart I think the game was better then. But then I read people describing modern players as robots and I simply cannot agree with that. Yes, the players are better coached than ever and yes their fitness and conditioning is first class but so is the skill and finesse. I had a VHS video when I was a kid called 101 top Rugby League tries and I would watch it over and over. But last night (for example) we saw a try from Darnell McIntosh of Hull KR. The try went like this... Aiden Sezer slipped a ball to Kenny Edwards who broke the line. As he was tackled, he threw a pass out the back of his hand to Gaskill who then kicked through to the corner for McIntosh to score. That try was miles better than most of the tries on the 101 top tries video. The pass from Edwards was as skillful than any from a second row that I can remember and the innovation and precision for Gaskill to kick through was was first class. I can't be alone in seeing these type of skills week and week out in the Super League and NRL and yet I read every week that modern players are robots. As I say, I loved Rugby League in the 1980's and 90's but I also recognise that modern players are much more skillful than they have ever been and the tactical element of the game just as important. (p.s. yes, the scrum and play the ball are horrible... if only we had the common sense as a sport to sort these out)
    2 points
  36. Fiji have an almost limitless supply of good Wingers so its a good move for Hull to keep signing them up. Hopefully he becomes another SL Star.
    2 points
  37. I wouldn't worry too much about this match. I suspect this is a case of Widnes not being as good as people think and Dewsbury being better than people think.
    2 points
  38. https://www.coventrybearskitshop.co.uk/Coventry-bears-satellite-clubs Some decent kit available (in adult sizes as well) for those who wish to support the Bears further in this superb venture.
    2 points
  39. Surely not when they have David Fifita (goat) in the side.
    2 points
  40. Wests Tigers would have won in golden point literally this morning from a play on ruling by the on field ref
    2 points
  41. Don't worry, there is another half to go yet!
    2 points
  42. Canberra vs Parramatta followed by Batley vs Oldham. No better way to see off a post-beer garden hangover.
    2 points
  43. Lee Jackson's for Hull FC against Sheffield at the Don Valley Stadium in a Yorkshire Cup SF in October 1992 was a tad quicker I reckon. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=555429358676753 From the moment the ball is kicked off to Jackson touching down is around 7.2 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKb4rRrAgZ0&ab_channel=SkySports From the moment the ball was kicked off last night to Crooks touching down is around 7.3 seconds. In the interests of Hull FC/Hull KR rivalry, just thought I'd say like. I was at the Don Valley Stadium that night, along with the entire Australian Kangaroos RL Touring team who were sat behind us. Garry Jack wasn't selected for the touring squad due to him playing over in England and he wanted to prove the selectors made a mistake in leaving him out. Probably not as big a mistake as having his kick charged down to concede a try in the opening seconds of a match though. I must be one of a very few people who watched both record breaking tries live I think. And I know, I need to get out more.
    2 points
  44. No Sheffield vs Wigan isnt even close to a legitimate comparison. Toulouse vs Catalán would be a rivalry game massively promoted. It's the Saints vs Wigan of French RL.
    2 points
  45. 2 points
  46. nrl- they wouldnt be as stupid as to let a team like leigh in to their comp
    2 points
  47. The fact that Toulouse are an overseas team was undoubtedly a major factor in them missing out for 2021. When the decision was made there were still a lot of unknowns with Covid, and the fact that France has now gone into a 3rd lockdown sort of proved their point that it would have been a major risk to fulfilling the fixture schedule by promoting Toulouse. So while they probably were the better option under normal circumstance, their geographical location worked against them for this season.
    2 points
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