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I have a friend, from the Wirral rather than Liverpool, who has a season ticket for both Everton and Saints. I accept that this is unusual though.

I'm out; I can't watch this. Hoping for better streams tomorrow.

Springer would have been OK for us in the middle but he has stepped up to full time with Toulouse.Didn't think he would get a SL gig but good luck to him.Brown owes us nowt always played with a smile on his face and interacted with our fans,i will miss him.

Nu Brown is a big loss for mine. I know it comes down to money, but he was class.

Nice of them to promote our big event.

No hoop = Salford shirt. They’ve done that a couple of times, and God only knows what they were thinking. Rovers is either white with a red band, or red with a blue band… I honestly don’t understand why rugby league clubs sacrifice their brand identity so easily, can you imagine Newcastle United wearing a home shirt without black & white stripes, or QPR without blue & white hoops? Just so short-sighted

Not surprising news this but Nu has been confirmed as returning to Australia with his partner. https://www.featherstonerovers.co.uk/news/thank-you-nu-92yGb Had a fine year with us, glad he isn't going to another British club anyway. We look set at half back with Holmes, Chisholm and Smith, so hopefully frees up a bit of money for more signings elsewhere.

Having lived and worked on both sides of the Mersey for nearly four decades I can assure you that Birkenhead is not more upmarket mate. Parts of the Wirral are though and those parts have Rugby Union, football dominates everywhere else on the Wirral and Liverpool. I follow RL as it is in the family, and I love it, we have taken friends and neighbours to watch Super League matches over the years, all say they love it but few stick with it. We even set up a team 20 years ago, Wirral Vikings and played against a Birkenhead Side. It all petered out sadly, maybe because we didn’t really know how to run a club from scratch and no real help was out there. Anyway I digress, a group of us watch Saints from Wirral and Liverpool, I am sure others go and watch Warrington, Widnes and even Wigan. There has always been a passing interest in these parts from some but truthfully, this is getting less and less over time. Football absolutely dominates for those who like their sport in Liverpool but we are also competing with so much more nowadays. As for a pro club in Liverpool…no chance, concentrate elsewhere. Those that are interested have plenty of choice and some great clubs in touching distance.

They've got all the right elements... just not in the right places.

People from outside the Liverpool city boundary might be more likely to be more inclined but within the boundary forget it.

Living here any new sport would have an uphill struggle scousers are obsessed by football and that’s it! you might attract them to odd big games but beyond that football comes first. If no premier league games most would prefer to watch Marine, Prescot or some of the other amateur clubs Saints are trying to do things with the local schools. Not many of them play rugby though so again up against it

Don't you think the loan system will revert to "normal" with a 4 week minimum?

And forced to direct a cruddy kaiju movoe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulgasari

500% right spw1 we keep signing these injury prone players, we should open a a&e ward and start taking private patients in it could earn funds for the club . its just getting worse start of signing 4 descent players then back to normal signing players who are not champ. 1 standard

Is this streaming smoothly for anyone else? It's really jerky for me.

TO were toulouse spacers at the beginning of the 2000’s

I was very impressed with Mustapha in the games i saw him play for KR last season.He was always looking for work and took some tackling.If he keeps improving he has a bright future in the game.

This could be in the "rain" thread! Rother Valley (158th time) for me today and a course PB of 22.44 - by 1 second, the best sort of PB. It was extremely wet and windy so I have to be pleased, but I'm shattered now. Surprisingly my heart rate didn't get into the high zones at all.

And that may well cause a problem as it could be difficult to get a game with Fev unless its cover for injury or other types of absence?

I don’t agree with this. Most people who follow sport don’t only follow one sport. Football is my main sport, just as most others have a main sport, but you rarely restrict yourself to just one. As much as I appreciated the sublime skill of a Zidane, there’s an enjoyable contrast with a Lomu rampaging through an opposition defence bowling them over like skittles. “The Liverpool”...always loved how some Europeans referred to the club in this way (mainly Italians if I’m not mistaken). And just on Salah, he recently became the fastest Liverpool player to score 100 top flight goals, surpassing Roger Hunt from the 1960s. Could a Wigan player break the record (or get anywhere close) of a much more recent player (Offiah) for 100 tries for Wigan? Point is the platform that was afforded to Hunt is afforded to Salah, the same doesn’t apply to the like of a Makinson. Look at the St Helens scoring records, all from years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Helens_R.F.C.#Player_records Its the equivalent to those East German records that still stand in athletics. You shouldn’t be making the game harder, and that’s ultimately the major issue for both rugby codes.

“playing any sport bar basketball on concrete is not fun“ Eh? Street football is played on concrete...Wayne Rooney is one such product. It was easily the surface I played football on most on growing up (home and at school). Besides those two, another popular sport on concrete is rounders (baseball) although it doesn’t have the same mass appeal in terms of gameplay. Swinging a bat is fun, but you are still somewhat limited in what you can do in comparison to having a ball at your feet or in your hands. On the drop in outdoor activity, it’s much more recent than the advent of cars. It’s over the last couple of decades that the change has been ramped up, sparked by the use of hand held gadgets. The change in physique in RU I wouldn’t put down to Pacific Islanders (although they do play a role). Clive Woodward’s England basically won the RUWC playing 10 man rugby (mammoth pack, and the boot of Wilkinson). France have always had better back players, but when you can bypass back players to win they become redundant. France were getting crushed by bigger teams, as were Wales, so in order to compete with the like of England they have had to join them, beef up, become attritional, and unwatchable. The transformation can be summed up in one change in the France midfield, from Phillippe Sella, 12-13 stone of skill, to Bastereaud, 18 stone of brute force. Unlike France and Wales the Aussies to their credit still try to play a more attacking game which, to their cost in the now war of attrition dominated game of RU, has made them far less competitive. Wayne Bennett made England more competitive, and far less watchable. Shaun Wane did similar with Wigan. There’s a lot of cross pollination between the two codes (RL defensive coaches flooding both), and with players getting bigger, faster, stronger, it makes it more difficult for the same attacking play as before. This has contrasted with both basketball and football where attacking play has actually got easier and as a result you see records get broken (in the case of football, Messi breaking Pele’s scoring record for a club, Ronaldo breaking the international goalscoring record, Salah breaking the single season Premier League goalscoring record etc.)...records aided by better playing surfaces than the past, more protection from referees than than the past, laws like the back pass rule being removed so the gk cant just pick the ball up, and whereas in the rugby codes players have got bigger (making the obstacle bigger) the main change to footballers is they are quicker/more athletic, meaning they are at it for the full 90 minutes, and also have longer careers. In basketball you see similar advances that aid attacking players with records being broken by Steph Curry, Lebron James etc. A Jonah Lomu, the last RU superstar, scoring four tries at will vs England would never happen today, he’d run into James Haskell and co., fuelled by whey protein shakes, and get shut down. The prolific try scoring of Offiah, that couldn’t happen today, nor the runs of Hanley through the middle of the field. Those same gaping holes in defence aren’t there. It’s more regimented, structured, tighter, bigger obstacles, the wrestle, slower PTB, just much harder for individuals to shine. Ultimately it’s the on field product that is the best advertiser for a game. Get that right, and allow attacking individuals to stand out and become known (or even a household name) in the process, and you will attract new viewers.

Best of luck Nu . I have been to Os , and the country is fantastic and the weather is great. I can understand him leaving the UK with the weather likely to turn cold soon. He will be missed but hopefully the players we have & have signed will step up to the plate.

Oldham Bears was a classic

Halifax - Blue Sox thought that was bad and so did their fans.

I did get the ferry to Birkenhead where Tranmere play during a Beatles weekend in Liverpool. It seemed more upmarket that side of the river to be playing league

Stan Robin joins Limoux from Villeneuve. Good shout for the Grizzlys. https://treizemondial.fr/stan-robin-quitte-villeneuve-mais-reste-en-elite-1/

Wellington is another very exciting inexperienced player. He's really tall, quick and skillful but bad luck with injuries means he's played very little rugby so far. I'm not too fussed about experience for this coming season. Think this is all about getting ourselves set up to be a sustainable championship club based around young Oldham lads. Looking at some of the players Swinton, Keighley and Doncaster are going to sign automatic promotion looks very difficult for us next year. We've got the right coach to build our team around long term and hopefully we can sort out behind the scenes over this next year and next time we do go up we'll stay there.

Really happy with that he looked class when fit. Would like to see a bit more competition in the back row though but squad looking good.

As someone who has lived in Liverpool for 20 years I can say that it is a non starter. There is zero interest in rugby or any other team sport that isn’t football and that will never change.

Has Tranmere been mentioned yet???

Nah I'd say they're more Cas amber than they are Cas neon orange.

I'm trying to work out whether your just playing dumb & ignorant or you actually are if you think going into schools and holding rugby based fun days & holiday camps doesn't get kids across Liverpool interested in playing & watching RL ? Most of these kids will be from football supporting families who's parents are unlikely to introduce them to RL. I would have thought of all supporters a London fan would understand just how hard it is to get people interested in RL from areas that are dominated by other sports. Lets face it with over 8M people to aim for London's efforts have been pretty dismal over the years. Its not just Liverpool kids either, going back to the 90's and pre-SL era RL barely got a mention in local press like the Liverpool Echo, now thanks to Saints media team there's Saints stories in most weeks during the season. As i've said they'll never turn Liverpool into anything other than a football mad city, but generating interest in Saints & the sport of RL isn't from a lack of effort.

Dune (2021) Yes, of course it's too long! This is the 21st Century, after all, and if you want those sweet sweet shiny awards, you need length as much as quality. Lots of brooding, thousand-yard stares to pad out the running time, like everything else these days. Likewise the desaturated colour palette; another guide to illustrious judging panels that this is a Terribly Serious Movie. However, this really is pretty damn good. The score and the general sound design really works with this movie. The mixture of physical and digital effects, of course, blows previous adaptations out of the water. I am now imagining a time-travelling ideal cast, from this and David Lynch's version. Leto: Jurgen Prochnow - Oscar Isaac is just too young for the part. Jessica - a tie, both are excellent. Paul - close, but Chalumet edges it. Duncan Idaho - always Richard Jordan, even though Jason Momoa does a good job. Gurney Halleck - anyone but Patrick Stewart! As wrong a casting as you could imagine, despite his talent. However, Josh Brolin does reminds me of Rhod Gilbert. Reverend Mother Mohiam - both magnificently cold and calculating. Thufir Hawat - Stephen Henderson. The Baron - Stellan Skarsgard, by a mile. Rabban - a tie, again. Two magnificent brutes who love their job. Dr Kynes - Max von Sydow makes this an unfair contest. Stilgar - again, too close to call. Chani - I'm scared Sean Young will hunt me down and kill me if I don't choose her.

Yes , or you’ve been kidnapped