Maximus Decimus
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Excellent plod along attitude.
So we shouldn't only have to meet the set RFL criteria on and off the field, we should have to try and satisfy every Championship club's fans as well?
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Do you mean like the previous season when you finished err 5th or was it 6th
good job your loanee's won you the NR Cup. So we didn't meet the minimum criteria then?
Also Mick, please stop lying. Especially when it can be easily disproven by a simple internet search, it doesn't make your argument any better. It was 4th.
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Oh well
I just find it amusing that a Widnes fan can state anyone else knows very little, when we have Widnes coaches and Widnes fans totally ignoring the junior set-ups at other clubs (IE. Cullen stating Featherstone had no future as we had no academy). You're fans are just totally ignorant, good luck in Super League, no doubt you were better candidates than Crusaders last time, but Jesus Christ you lot had no trouble in telling us that.
Did I say that? It's amazing how one person's opinion can stand for thousands of people.
Do Widnes not have a better junior set up than Featherstone regardless of their junior set-up? We don't ignore it but the fact is that we have a better one than it.
If you had bothered to read the post, you would see that I was addressing somebody who was suggesting that we have to refer to 1990 to try to boost our position, when we don't. He then went on about on the field nonsense again which does show how little he understands.
As for the last line, it goes both ways, Widnes have been favourites from day one and as such have been attacked from other fans, looking to trip us up wherever possible and make out like we're not good enough. It all comes from jealousy. Widnes fans of course aren't allowed to point out the obvious flaws in the argument or stick up for their own club.
We'll see how much you all love Halifax when they are the favourites for promotion.
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Priceless coming from a Widnes fan
So what of the actual post did you disagree with?
Emoticons are not an excuse for an argument.
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I think the RFL should look at the overall package, and not primarily OFF the field things. A club needs to be able to cope ON the pitch as well. Certainly it is ludicrous to promote a club that is 15-20 points short of the league leaders and only have a win rate of 50% compared to 89.5% as the leaders Fev are and 79% as Fax are.
This is why the P+R argument has its strength because the on the field performance is of primary concern whereas a team that are only in the middle of the table are more likely to be whipping boys upon promotion, and therefore be of little benefit to the higher division.
Nonsense.
So if we did have P & R then do you think Widnes would have exactly the same squad as they do now? Do you think that the clubs would have voted to reduce the cap to 300k as well?
Final question, how many players do you think Featherstone or Fax would retain if promoted to Super League, with potentially an extra
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Enlighten us all please.
Enlighten you about what? The way to conduct yourself on a forum without looking like a childish brat?
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I'm a Featherstone Fan, so it didn't double my teams crowd.
Mentioning that you have an under 15's / 16's academy et all, well so do we!
We don't go around saying we have this, you don't, we have bigger crowds than you, we won the WCC in 90's blah blah. I personally find it funny that have to stoop to that level to make Widnes look actually good. IMO you don't deserve a license, on the field you've been poor, you had a good spell, when you had your loan players from Warrington and that has been it.
I honestly don't think any team in the Championships are ready for the top division yet, a lot of off the field work has to go in and i'd probably say all of them aren't ready yet, in 2015 i'd say 2 or 3 would be.
This shows how little you know or understand.
We actually mention that we run youth at all levels not just U15's and U16's. You're saying we have to stoop to a level to make us look good, which is nonsense. What about crowds, stadium, youth development doesn't make us look good in comparison to other clubs in this league? Winning the WCC adds nothing and people don't mention it very often despite you're mentioning that we do. When it is it's simply to say that Widnes are a famous name in RL and much more so than the other clubs we're up against it.
How many times does it need to be pointed out that on the field is not what licensing is about? We don't have P & R anymore, get over it. In the words of the RFL, there is a minimum criteria and Widnes have met it. We are dealing with a salary cap of 300k in comparison to
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Silly old me, what a dumbarse
Still not found the plot then Mick?
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I personally hate the 10m rule, which was brought in by the Aussies, and benefits them most of all
It only seems to work when you have two very evenly matched teams, who are fit in the sense of running backwards and forwards. If we'd been a global game with RL the number 1 sport in many countries, it would have been perhaps a logical way forward. However we are not. Now its almost impossible to see cup or international shocks, based purely on this silly 10m fitness and the knock on effect of the added momentum. The best way to grow the sport are to make suprises more plentiful by encouraging the skill side of the game
The negatives are plently:
- Widens gap between full time and part time encounters (bad for cup matches and internationals)
- Causes more injurys (players used to play far more games even when they were part time)
- Leads to more blow-out scorelines
- Makes it too easy to score (on the whole)
- Bad for encouraging people to take up RL for leisure/amateur level. Also people retire sooner or go off and play Union when they get older
So although maybe 20% games in SL might be superb spectacles under the 10m rule, you'll end up with far more blowouts, silly scorelines, no cup shocks and no international shocks which doesn't help develop the game. On the whole I could take a slightly less open game if the scorelines were vastly reduced with more shocks
Get shut of it now
I'm not convinced that 10 metres is best for the game but I think you're guilty of what net geeks like to call a 'Post hoc ergo propter hoc' argument, assuming something is the cause of an event merely because it happened before that event.
There are many other reasons for the lack of shocks, full time professionalism being probably the main one. This has fundamentally changed the way the game is played. The game used to be more off the cuff and obviously skillful to the untrained eye but somewhere along the line somebody has come along and realised that a structured game plan produces better results, everybody then changes suit. Later, somebody realised that wrestling techniques would improve defence and then everybody changes suit.
The game constantly evolves and full-time professionalism linked to the mass availability of games on TV and the internet has seen this happen at a much quicker rate than before. You just need to look at how Football, Union, Tennis, Golf etc have all changed relatively rapidly also in the past 15 years.
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Horrendous news.
Sincere condolences to Paul and his family.
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Don't get me wrong, Ray French talks a lot of sense about RL. He really does. His weekly column is one of the few good things in the League Weekly. Unfortunately, as a commentator his best days are well behind him. His player recognition is at times embarrassing. If he were commentating on a more high profile sport, he would've gone years ago.
Just a point about the Leeds away kit. Do away kits have to be a different colour from the main kit, because the Leeds one seems to be just a variation of the normal colours. As shown with the clash with Warrington's kit, it's no real alternative to the home one.
I thought that, as an away kit this proves it doesn't work. Although they are used differently nowadays, they are still meant to be used when a colour clash occurs. However their kit still results in just as bad a colour clash.
If the RFL had any sense they would switch this right away, to Wire's genuine away kit.
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At the end of the day if there was any justice Fev would be playing at the top table next season with the team who finishers bottom of SL going the other way
Simplistic.
Not to take anything away from Featherstone's achievement but if we didn't have licensing we probably wouldn't have a 300k cap and would see very different squads as clubs would prioritise differently.
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Yes I ill pay the
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I asked a simple question and you have - like a poilitician given an irrelevant reply. Kindly answer the question.They have a more realistic chance of presenting a successful SL club in my opinion.
Salford have more potential but by that token Harlequins have the largest potential in the league.
I've said previously, if Salford have the stadium then they should be given a license. My opinion is that if they don't have the stadium then they are the weakest.
The answer was in there, but I had to also explain how in reality 'potential' is a get out clause to make up for current failures.
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OK I will accept the wager at a 50% increase on this years attendances for
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Well you keep bashing and bashing don't you? Do you have share is Castleford or something? Very simply ...........as it stands.........the Stadium will be finished by the 2012 season. If Peel are taken over then I obviously cannot confirm whether the new Owners will complete on time! All being well we will be snugly sat down to watch our opening game in front of 12,000 fans in 2012.
One final question - Do you honetly believe that Castleford have MORE POTENTIAL than Salford to sell the game to NEW fans from their respective new homes? An honest answer please MD.
They have a more realistic chance of presenting a successful SL club in my opinion.
Salford have more potential but by that token Harlequins have the largest potential in the league.
I've said previously, if Salford have the stadium then they should be given a license. My opinion is that if they don't have the stadium then they are the weakest.
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OK then lets make it a third - OK with that?
No, my point was to show you up for making ridiculous statements like they could go up 50% next year.
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Maybe bit optimistic at 50% but what I will do is have a wager of
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Never realised this but winning the league should of course mean a box ticked. It's arguably the hardest of them all.
Well done Fev, very well deserved victory.
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Gotta feel for the man.
They'd generally only put these incidents on report these days.
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My head says that for the sake of RL a Wire win would be best. It would mean a probably sellout at Wembley between two massive clubs in comparison to a probable damp squib where Leeds would walk it.
I just can't support the Wire though, come on Catalans!!!!
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We work with Buckingham's quite a bit and I've heard people at work mentioning the Salford stadium a few times, if anything more substantial comes to light I will inform.
People often get criticised for suggesting that Salford's stadium might not happen.
The fact is that the vast majority, myself included, have no idea how the process works. What we have seen and heard though are countless releases about the stadiums and numerous reassurances from fans about how certain their stadiums are to be built. However 10 years on in some instances the stadiums have still not started.
Salford's stadium could be 100% nailed on certain to be built by 2012, I honestly don't know. When I've read the recent statements it seems that they are. However I've thought this before, at the last round of licensing for instance. All the arguments we're hearing now we heard in 2008 and the reality is they won't have delivered on those promises.
Therefore if there are any delays meaning that the stadium will not be ready for the start of the 2012 stadium then they should definitely be dropped. Without it they are by far the weakest of the 3 main contenders to go down.
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as accessible , I believe as the Trafford Centre, which get crowds even bigger than Leeds. I think the Salford and Warrington cases are different. I think that Salford has fans who were originally within walking distance of the Willows but have moved away owing to housing redevelopment and related issues. I'd expect them to find the new location to be OK.
I also think that a new ground in a more amenable location will attract new spectators from surrounding areas. I suspect also that away fans are more likely to attend games ( Saints, Wigan, Warrington, etc) as the new location is easier to get to and again, more amenable.
For those travelling by car it will be infinitely better. It is doable by public transport but not ideal, before I drove I had to go once and it was quite a trek.
The key is of course going to be fans from Salford and Manchester. They are moving 3/4 miles down the road with will exclude the fans which would usually walk to games. The important thing to note is that a stadium alone is not the answer and Salford need to realise this. They have shown very little else to suggest that they could make the most of it. Wakefield, Cas, Wire and Hull all tried to make the most of their poor surroundings and managed to improve before they moved elsewhere or planned to. Salford haven't.
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Warrington were mentioned in regards to a club moving to a new ground and having an upturn in attendances. The big advantage Warrington have is that the HJ is as close to the town centre as it could've been. It's an easy ground to reach for local people, especially for those who don't have, or don't wish to use the car. For away fans Central station is 30 seconds down the road.
I'm no expert on the geography of Salford. but whenever the new site at Barton is mentioned, the closeness to the M60 is always spoken about. Is the new ground easily accessible without a car?
I have some experience of this and it's not particularly easy.
The nearest train station is Urmston, probably a mile and a half from recollection. There are buses from the city centre, not as regular as you'd think and quite expensive.
Hopefully they have the forsight to put extra buses on.
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So as I suspected, you have no argument.
If you can't be bothered to read it, don't make pointless little comments like the one you made.
Once again, 'one of your lot,' so people don't have their own opinions any more? I'm sure every fan of your club speaks for you as well. Whether or not a Widnes fan comes in spouting nonsense, it doesn't excuse the lies and further nonsense that comes in reply.