Trojan
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Barrows discipline was poor!
I had 2 old fellas behind me whining on and on about Ronnie! Thing is, and this is where being a neutral makes these specs much clearer to see through, he got almost all his calls correct!!
I didn't think he did. First half he seemed to favour Batley, and didn't punish a blatant knock on or a high tackle. Second half he seemed to favour Barrow and allowed a score off a knock on and once again ignored a blatant high tackle. Plus of course the penalty count second half was 7-1 to Barrow - don't know what it was first half. I went specifically to watch Barrow. Either Batley are a lot better than I thought they were or Barrow are a lot worse. Certainly second half, up the slope Batley's defence was awesome.
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I've looked the word "derby" up in the Concise Oxford Dictionary. A "derby" match is any important match. A local derby is a match between two local rivals. So I guess you have to define local. How far from New Craven Park to the KC? How far from DW to KR? How far from Odsal to Headingley? If it wasn't for Hanging Heaton Church you could see New Crown Flat from Mount Pleasant. And as I said earlier it's about three miles from Wheldon Road to P O Road.
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Batley comprehensively outplayed Barrow today in every department. Forced to defend for almost the entire second half up the slope, on the back of a 7-1 penalty count in Barrow's favour, the did it manfully, and also scored two breakaway tries. Perhaps Barrow aren't all they're cracked up to be. But Batley can only beat what's put in front of them. If they play against Widnes like they did today, I wouldn't like to forecast the outcome.
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Wrong again, its not "what I say it is", and I haven't said what I think it is, I have quoted both Collins and The Oxford English dictionaries which give you definitions.
You are the one being stubborn and wanting to re-write the OED.
No just winding you up Dave
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For sheer venom between the two sets of players and supporters, both inside the ground and out, I dont reckon any Saints/Wigan or FC/Rovers comes even close to a Widnes/Dire, having attended all of the above.
You've obviously never been to a Fev/Cas game
Most Fev fans won't even type the word "Cas" on their posts on this forum. -
I went to a sportsman's evening with Shaun Wayne a couple of years ago. Shaun said that when the Wigan directors came down his street to sign him the kids flocked around their BMW. They'd never seen a tax disc before.
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Why should I care, I couldn't give a toss.
For some bizarre reason people won't believe what the dictionary tells them, a derby game is not defined as a game between two teams from the same city.
The OED says d. Applied to any kind of important sporting contest
You should give a toss because according to your posts on this thread a "derby" is what you say it is. (no change there then)
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It's not compulsary to have a derby game.
OK who will be described as Leeds U's derby game
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no John Newlove, Don Fox, Steve Nash so many great players to pick from
All great players indeed but who played before the time that I supported Fev.
Gerry Round
Ken Hirst
Neil Fox
Alan Skene
Jan Prinsloo
Harold Poynton
Keith Holiday
Jack Wilkinson
Milan Kosanovic
Mal Sampson
Don Vines
Brian Briggs
Derek Turner
I used to support Trinity before I learned better
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I don't think you can equate football derbies with RL. The point is that a local derby is normally the team that is geographically closest to you in the same league.
What about the cup?
And who will be Leeds U's derby with next season? Huddersfield? Sheff U? Barnsley? Hull City? Doncaster? Middlesborough perhaps. All in the same "area" i.e. Yorkshire. Bradford City are closest but not in the same League - Farsley Celtic are even closer and in the same city.
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Chris Bibb
Martin Pearson
Steve Quinn
Paul Newlove
Owen Simpson
Graham Steadman
Deryck Fox
Karl Harrison
Richard Chapman
Chris Burton
Peter Smith
David Hobbs
Brendan Tuuta
Jeff Grayshon
Stuart Dickens
Keith Bell
Alan Banks
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What does constitute a derby in sport? Hull v Hull KR is certainly a derby. As is Leeds v Hunslet. But does Saints/Wigan really count as a derby? Or Leeds/Bradford for that matter?
What about Bradford/Keighley?
I've cited Cas/Fev. The grounds are probably only 3 miles apart and they are both in Wakefield met - but Cas is a town and so is Fev. And what about Wakey? What about Batley, Dewsbury and Huddersfield - all in Kirklees MDC? Swinton and Salford would surely count wouldn't they?
Obviously in soccer Wednesday/United is a derby. Presumably Villa v City, but what about West Brom? Arsenal/Spurs? what about the other London sides? And Man City and Man U are actually in different towns, although they're both called Manchester. Liverpool/Everton is certainly a derby - you can see one ground from the other. So what do we in RL call a derby? And has there ever been a definitive definition of one?
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I may believe in the great spaghetti monster in the sky that sh!ts out the moon every night, it doesn't make it right though.
In my experience everyone in Wigan believes in him
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Gordon Brown (the Scottish Union player not the PM) appeared on a sports chat show in Oz in the eighties with Andy Gregory - Brown was a bit miffed to find that Gregory was the main guest - Brown had never heard of him.
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The difference being of course that the Leeds - Hunslet Championship final actually took place within the city of Leeds - which for me defines a real derby.
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The more the merrier for me. Perhaps we can produce a tough inner core for the England team. Then we may stand a chance of at least running the Aussies close if not beating them in a series. That's what happened in the late eighties early nineties. With our top players playing in Oz we came within a whisker of beating them in series several times. I suppose Jamie Peacock is too old now, but I think he (and we) would have benefitted from his going to Oz from the Bulls instead of Leeds.
Perhaps Tomkins and Eastmond could be next?
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I think you'll find the Challenge Cup Final - Hull v Hull KR was the biggest derby crowd!
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I used to really look forward to the Bradford - Halifax match. A much better derby than Bradford - that team to the east.
I used to know a 'Fax fan quite well, (this is in the eighties) and he regarded the Bradford game as the most important of their season.
I suppose 'Fax have more derby possibilities than most given the proximity of Bradford, Rochdale, Oldham, Huddersfield and Keighley.
Presumably in the old days when 'Fax and Fartown took it in turns to play in the Lancashire League, the Oldham and Rochdale fixtures were their derbies.
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hunslet -leeds in the 50s they used to get 20k for the pre season lazenby cup match.
In 1938 they attracted a then record crowd of 54k for a RL Championship Final to Elland Road. The game was moved there from Wakey and they used the Parkside posts. Must count as the biggest derby game ever.
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May not be the biggest as far as crowds go, but in terms of intensity and passion Fev/Cas must be no.1. Trouble is they're a bit few and far between these days. And when Cas get kicked out of SL Fev will take their place so there'll still be no derby games.
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It's fascinating what you can dig up Maureen. War-time guest players were mostly those enlisted in the Army who found themsleves elsewhere in the period 39-45 and were given license to play for clubs other than the club they were registered for. That way, Eric Batten first played for Featherstone, some years before we officially signed him. Im guessing that Walt, like so many of his team-mates, was a miner and so wasn't called up to the Army.
I believe Eddie Waring built a Dewsbury championship winning side based on guest players during wartime.
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Awwww P & H I wanted Tro to answer that
I've been away in Whitby, and am just catching up. One point I would repeat though is that everyone writes about crowds on here as though they are a static commodity. "The crowd watching team a. can be cajoled in to watching team b." Crowds are not static commodities they are dynamic, their composition changes. I would guess that had Fev beaten Wakefield at Huddersfield in 1998, and gained access to SL many of those who now go to Belle Vue would be coming to PO Road. They wouldn't be deserting Wakey it's just that at the time they were not RL supporters, some of them perhaps weren't even born. The same applies to 'Fax and the Giants and Bulls. Probably to Widnes, Saints and Warrington too. It is the removal of the possibility of one's team being able to compete with the big boys IMO that has depressed the crowds in the Chamionship, and possibly deterred potential supporters from watching Championship rugby, and the absence of anything to play for in the second half of the season has possibly depressed crowds in the lower end of SL. Plus of course taken away the spice, the bite of fear or anticipation.
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Hmmmmm
Maybe they all knew that no SKY contract meant the death of RL so they all voted for it.
No it wouldn't have meant the death of the game. It might have meant the death of some clubs, (many clubs even) from what we now know Wigan for certain. Probably others too. Not Leeds, not Hull, probably not Saints. But the game would have continued and clubs been resurrected like the Welsh Union clubs were. Perhaps a stronger leaner fitter game, but more importantly without being hooked on Murdoch.
The reformed clubs, born out of necessity would perhaps have been the merged ones suggested by the Murdoch deal, but crucially they would not have been perceived to have been forced on the various clubs' fans but grown from the fans' need for a team to support. It's all "ifs and ands" but I thought at the time that the deal would be bad long term for RL, and IMO it has been.
Batley next week
in The General Rugby League Forum
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Where was Jamie Rooney? According to some Barrow fans I spoke to he should have played.